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CestMoi posted:I hope you're reading him in the intended language of his poetry, Arabic Le plus malin est de quitter ce continent, où la folie rôde pour pourvoir d'otages ces misérables. J'entre au vrai royaume des enfants de Cham.
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because of things like that in saison en enfer and les illuminations in Sufism & Surrealism by Adonis there's a chapter where he argues that Rimbaud shouldn't be considered a part of the Western poetic canon, but should instead be thought of as an Arab Sufi mystic and it's extremely cool
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# ? Apr 21, 2018 23:55 |
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speaking of does anyone have any recs on sufi poetry that's not the conference of birds because while it's kick rear end i already read it
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# ? Apr 22, 2018 00:16 |
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and not rimbaud, cestmoi
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# ? Apr 22, 2018 00:16 |
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i'm assuming rumi is a non-starter as well
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# ? Apr 22, 2018 00:26 |
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rubaiyat
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# ? Apr 22, 2018 00:31 |
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if we exhaust all the ones you've obviously already read you'll be forced to read Rimbaud as a Sufi
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# ? Apr 22, 2018 00:31 |
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where does Le sonnet du trou du cul fit into him as a sufi
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# ? Apr 22, 2018 10:00 |
Hello poetry thread, I'm doing the forums reading challenge this year and I've decided to try and rekindle my former love of poetry, so to that end, I would like a wildcard poetry book for the reading challenge. It can be anything (please be gentle) as long as it's not impossible to find. I also only speak English, unfortunately.
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MockingQuantum posted:Hello poetry thread, I'm doing the forums reading challenge this year and I've decided to try and rekindle my former love of poetry, so to that end, I would like a wildcard poetry book for the reading challenge. It can be anything (please be gentle) as long as it's not impossible to find. I also only speak English, unfortunately. what kinds of things do you like
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# ? Apr 23, 2018 18:36 |
Tree Goat posted:what kinds of things do you like TBH I haven't read much of anything in years. In college I liked Anne Sexton, Sara Teasdale, Lord Byron, T.S. Eliot, Kahlil Gibran, Wisława Szymborska... I was just getting into more modern poetry but couldn't tell you any names off the top of my head. I'm sure there's tons of poets I read a lot that I'm totally forgetting, such is life
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MockingQuantum posted:TBH I haven't read much of anything in years. In college I liked Anne Sexton, Sara Teasdale, Lord Byron, T.S. Eliot, Kahlil Gibran, Wisława Szymborska... I was just getting into more modern poetry but couldn't tell you any names off the top of my head. I'm sure there's tons of poets I read a lot that I'm totally forgetting, such is life you might like brown's the virginia state colony for epileptics and feebleminded, that was from last year iirc and gives off sexton-y vibes
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Tree Goat posted:you might like brown's the virginia state colony for epileptics and feebleminded, that was from last year iirc and gives off sexton-y vibes its really good yeah
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skimmed through the collection of Ezra Pound that I bought, and am liking this a lot. I’ll post some of my favourites here once I’ve done a proper reading
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# ? Apr 24, 2018 17:21 |
Tree Goat posted:you might like brown's the virginia state colony for epileptics and feebleminded, that was from last year iirc and gives off sexton-y vibes This looks like it's right up my alley, I will definitely check it out. Thanks!
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# ? Apr 24, 2018 18:09 |
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https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/56022/the-fire-cycle One of my favorites. I only like prose poetry.
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# ? Apr 25, 2018 02:32 |
chernobyl kinsman posted:prose poetry is almost universally maturbatory trash tho. the only exception I can think to make rn is poe's eureka, and then only because it's 1) insane and 2) weirdly spot on about the Big Bang somehow
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# ? Apr 26, 2018 18:01 |
personally i prefer dril's earlier work
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# ? Apr 26, 2018 19:16 |
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2016, perfectly encapsulated
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# ? Apr 27, 2018 05:30 |
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Finished some sort of book on European lyricism and really liked the moderns. Especially Federico Garcia Lorca's Romance Sonambulo (this is a random translation off the internet... my copy's in Slovenian ). But I can't stop thinking about the opening and closing lines.Spanish Poem Guy posted:Green, how I want you green.
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# ? May 13, 2018 23:52 |
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lorca was a sweet sad gay artisan of the human heart
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# ? May 16, 2018 12:25 |
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Lorca's cool, I need to pick up a collection by him for sure. I've been reading and rereading A Valediction: Forbidding Mourning by Donne for like a week straight and I'm not even all that sure why but now I'm mostly thinking of things in terms of reference to specific images in that poem so that's cool
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this broken hill posted:lorca was a sweet sad gay artisan of the human heart Actually, I never met the man
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# ? May 30, 2018 01:19 |
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Apparently Americans are reading more poetry! If you're American I hope you're doing your part. I read Night Sky With Exit Wounds by Ocean Vuong and it gutted me, poetry is extremely good Do y'all read journals? I feel as though they are so dime-a-dozen I can barely wade through them.
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# ? Jun 12, 2018 16:16 |
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Any James Merrill fans out there? Feel like he's the most 🔥🔥 American poet since Wallace Stevens. http://www.ronnowpoetry.com/contents/merrill/SelfPortrait.html Also his voice is glorious: https://www.kwls.org/key-wests-life-of-letters/james-merrill-on-elizabeth-bishop-archives/
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# ? Jun 21, 2018 02:17 |
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Mighty Crouton posted:Any James Merrill fans out there? Feel like he's the most 🔥🔥 American poet since Wallace Stevens. i hadn't read that one but i didn't much care for it. the one of his that i remember best is laboratory poem, but i don't think the reason i remember it is because it is his best: Laboratory Poem posted:Charles used to watch Naomi, taking heart right now i'm reading the english translation of concerto al quds which i thought was new but i guess has been out for years now so shows what i know A. Questions posted:*Why is every atom of Palestine’s ash an open wound? E. A Hymn Bracing for the End posted:Many gray hairs on my head,
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# ? Jun 21, 2018 07:05 |
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read more poetry you fuckers
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# ? Jul 2, 2018 02:31 |
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I've been reading Ooga-Booga by Frederick Seidel and it's weird and interesting.
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MockingQuantum posted:TBH I haven't read much of anything in years. In college I liked Anne Sexton, Sara Teasdale, Lord Byron, T.S. Eliot, Kahlil Gibran, Wisława Szymborska... I was just getting into more modern poetry but couldn't tell you any names off the top of my head. I'm sure there's tons of poets I read a lot that I'm totally forgetting, such is life I recommend Elizabeth Bishop.
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Truly the most abhorrent reviews on Goodreads are those of poetry collections where the review is a poem.quote:I would've liked to've liked this book more There's five or more stanzas to this thing. Franchescanado fucked around with this message at 22:21 on Jul 5, 2018 |
# ? Jul 5, 2018 22:19 |
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Please dont post bad poetry itt theres enough of it in literally every other place on earth
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# ? Jul 6, 2018 00:37 |
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Im eeading The Pound Era by hugh kenner and it owns, its great, its so good its making me write poetry again and i hate it
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# ? Jul 13, 2018 03:39 |
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I'm reading Leopardi, a blind spot for me, after investigating a quote in Beckett's Molloy. His Canti are sometimes goodquote:Little old white-haired man, This is only interesting for so long though lol. At this point I'm more interested in the Zibaldone.
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# ? Sep 2, 2018 08:22 |
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Is this the place for questions about poetry that to most might seem pretty basic?
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# ? Sep 7, 2018 12:20 |
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It is good and admirable to learn about poetry no matter how little you know or intrinsically stupid you are
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CestMoi posted:It is good and admirable to learn about poetry no matter how little you know or intrinsically stupid you are Grand! Okay. My understanding of poetry is that the thing that makes it different from just writing is that it's written in pentameter, like Shakespeare used iambic pentameter which is an unstressed syallble followed by a stressed syallble. That covers my knowledge of what a pentameter is. I don't even understand exactly what it means by stressed and unstressed. So; the poems I have looked don't exactly advertise what pentameter they are using so if I opened a poetry book to a random page and started reading one, how would I know how it's supposed to be read? Is there a specific stylistic guide that poetry people have to study in order to learn it (in which case can I have the name of that guide), or is it a matter of knowing and practicing (in which case, may I have some recommendations for simple poems when learning how pentameter goes)?
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# ? Sep 7, 2018 17:55 |
you're thinking of meter in general, not pentameter specifically. 'meter' means any pattern of stressed and unstressed syllables; the 'penta' prefix just means 5 (see also pentagram). you're right that shakespeare usually writes in iambic pentameter; his verse lines have 5 "iambs". an iamb is an unstressed syllable followed by a stressed syllable. Stress is what word or what syllable in a word you emphasize. Here's an illustration. Try it: say the words 'emphasis' and 'syllable' out loud. I'm betting you say something like EM-pha-sis and SYL-a-ble; that is, "em" and "syl" are stressed syllables. The humor in that clip comes from Mike Myers instead saying em-PHA-sis and syl-A-ble; he's stressing the wrong syllables. here i've marked the stressed syllables from a line of shakespeare in bold, so you can see what i mean: but soft! what light through yonder window breaks try saying it out loud, and you'll get a feel for how the stresses fall ("but SOFT" instead of "BUT soft"). it comes out as something like "da-DUM da-DUM da-DUM da-DUM da-DUM". each of those unstressed-stressed combinations is one iamb. you can also have Dactylic pentameter but there's no real need to go down that rabbit hole. different poets will use different meters in different poems; robert frost's The Road Not Taken, for examble, still uses iambs, but uses them in tetrameter, so four iambs per line instead of five. anyway, defining what is and isn't poetry is one of those questions, like defining what is and isn't art, that has the potential to piss a lot of people off and is simultaneously very boring. there also isn't always a clear line. Billy Collins, the former US Poet Laureate, writes in what's called free verse - verse without any meter or rhyme. you can see an example here. Bukowski also writes in free verse. sometimes you'll find people saying that the only thing that makes a poem a poem is the use of line breaks, but there's something called 'prose poetry' which doesn't even have that. Poe wrote this batshit thing that he titled "Eureka: A Prose Poem", for example, and it doesn't rhyme, stick to a meter, or use line breaks. OscarDiggs posted:So; the poems I have looked don't exactly advertise what pentameter they are using so if I opened a poetry book to a random page and started reading one, how would I know how it's supposed to be read? just read it, and read it slowly. you'll find yourself falling into the rhythm of the poem naturally. you could definitely pick up a book, like Perinne's sound and sense, that will teach you all about different kinds of meters and whatnot, but i really don't think that's necessary to understand a poem or derive enjoyment from it. you can find a lot of pleasure and meaning in Ozymandias without knowing that it's a sonnet in iambic pentameter. chernobyl kinsman fucked around with this message at 20:59 on Sep 7, 2018 |
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chernobyl kinsman posted:Some great stuff in general. Thank you very much for your post! I certainly needed it. I admit I was initially a little hesitiant; I'm so shoddy in general with reading that "just read it slow" seemed a little pithy at first, but even I can see and hear the rhythm in Ozymandias, especially when I speak it aloud. With all that helpful advice given, I'll leave this thread back to the professionals.
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professional shitposters you mean
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