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Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
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Gonna have to point out here: billionaires don't actually have billions worth of liquidity in the form of money. They're all invested into properties and stocks which are either productive enough to generate profit, or which can be speculated on to raise their capital value. Any real form of "wealth redistribution" means transferring control of those properties from capitalists to the classes which actually perform labor upon them to make them valuable in the first place.

# ? Apr 28, 2018 04:06

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# ? Jun 9, 2024 11:23

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punk rebel ecks posted:

I'll just say I disagree with the core argument, as I believe that if someone does significantly more work than someone else but doesn't get paid more, that they will become jealous.

we already know this isn't true, because low-wage jobs are generally a lot more work than high-paying jobs are and there's not nearly as much jealousy as one would think

# ? Apr 28, 2018 05:03

BENGHAZI 2: Oct 13, 2007; by Cyrano4747

punk rebel ecks posted:

The issue with this is that some jobs require more education and work than others. Fewer people may want to do a job that takes 8 years of higher education that requires them to work 50+ hours a week if they get paid as much as a high school dropout who works 35 hours per week.

Nobody would have to work fifty hour works

# ? Apr 28, 2018 06:19

Ytlaya: Nov 13, 2005

punk rebel ecks posted:

I'll just say I disagree with the core argument, as I believe that if someone does significantly more work than someone else but doesn't get paid more, that they will become jealous.

I think this would be a problem in terms of "working more (or a more unpleasant job)," but not with regards to education (since in this hypothetical society higher education would be covered by the state).

There are some partial solutions (like splitting more unpleasant work among many people working part-time, though that's obviously not possible for everything), though I agree that it's probably true you'd need some compensation disparity for the particularly lovely jobs (though the way society works now, there's almost a negative correlation between the difficulty of work and how much a person is paid*, so if anything we're already experiencing a hosed up "more work doesn't equal more money" society).

* Like, to take myself for example, I make $37k with an extremely low stress job where I sit at a computer all day and can easily take off when I'm sick or be late or whatever. I have friends who make like $10 or $11/hr in retail, and they work waaaay harder than I do. And I know people from college who make six figures as financial analysts or accountants, and they don't work much more than I do. As things stand now, with rare exceptions, the hardest and most unpleasant work is generally the work that pays the least.

# ? Apr 28, 2018 07:45

Mechafunkzilla: Sep 11, 2006; If you want a vision of the future...

Just have UBI but also make work compulsory and assigned by the state. Specialized intellectual workers like scientists would be classified as alphas, bureaucrats as betas, manual laborers as gammas, etc. Problem solved

# ? Apr 28, 2018 08:12

Crowsbeak: Oct 9, 2012; by Azathoth; Lipstick Apathy

Jeb! Repetition posted:

No I don't think people should be given busywork like elementary school students in order to be able to live

Look, if you still have capitalism in any significant capacity with UBI it will fail. Note my idea of job guarantee is like 21 hours a week. (You would get a dour day weekend.)

# ? Apr 28, 2018 08:55

DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

Mechafunkzilla posted:

Just have UBI but also make work compulsory and assigned by the state. Specialized intellectual workers like scientists would be classified as alphas, bureaucrats as betas, manual laborers as gammas, etc. Problem solved

Remove all currency and have the state issue ration cards and work uniforms according to the central planning committee.

Make sure to wear your work uniform and carry your papers at all times, Comrade Citizen.

Also all work uniforms will be variants of boiler suits and steel capped work boots.

# ? Apr 28, 2018 09:09

Crowsbeak: Oct 9, 2012; by Azathoth; Lipstick Apathy

DancingShade posted:

Remove all currency and have the state issue ration cards and work uniforms according to the central planning committee.

Make sure to wear your work uniform and carry your papers at all times, Comrade Citizen.

Also all work uniforms will be variants of boiler suits and steel capped work boots.

# ? Apr 28, 2018 09:32

Orkin Mang: Nov 1, 2007; by FactsAreUseless

I AM THE NEW YORL TIMES

# ? Apr 28, 2018 09:41

docbeard: Jul 19, 2011

Y'all talk big about guillotines but who will step up and finally hang the jerk who invented work?

# ? Apr 28, 2018 10:09

Orkin Mang: Nov 1, 2007; by FactsAreUseless

docbeard posted:

Y'all talk big about guillotines but who will step up and finally hang the jerk who invented work?

that jerk was judas iscariot i bet. the scoundrel

# ? Apr 28, 2018 10:10

A Big Fuckin Hornet: Nov 1, 2016; by Nyc_Tattoo

if we were actually classless society would see the doctor and the dudes doing curbside trash pickup as both indispensible and honorable work

# ? Apr 28, 2018 13:47

R. Guyovich: Dec 25, 1991

nopantsjack posted:

Dont do UBI just make housing, food, energy, communications and transport free

Simple

a major selling point for socialism few people have articulated: nationalizing major industries includes entertainment and you'd be able to provide a cheap (or free) streaming service with literally every studio's full library available forever. and a fully staffed archival team to upload the stuff that's been languishing on dvd or in vaults somewhere

# ? Apr 28, 2018 16:27

Taintrunner: Apr 10, 2017; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

oh good the OG Star Wars is saved

# ? Apr 28, 2018 17:49

R. Guyovich: Dec 25, 1991

millions of nerds join communist party after release of PeopleFlix proposal

# ? Apr 28, 2018 17:52

Crowsbeak: Oct 9, 2012; by Azathoth; Lipstick Apathy

R. Guyovich posted:

a major selling point for socialism few people have articulated: nationalizing major industries includes entertainment and you'd be able to provide a cheap (or free) streaming service with literally every studio's full library available forever. and a fully staffed archival team to upload the stuff that's been languishing on dvd or in vaults somewhere

I don't know.I would just prefer to have the movie studios owned by the employees. So that we don't get poo poo like what happened for the Hobbit.

# ? Apr 28, 2018 18:00

GalacticAcid: Apr 8, 2013; NEW YORK VALUES

R. Guyovich posted:

a major selling point for socialism few people have articulated: nationalizing major industries includes entertainment and you'd be able to provide a cheap (or free) streaming service with literally every studio's full library available forever. and a fully staffed archival team to upload the stuff that's been languishing on dvd or in vaults somewhere

https://twitter.com/BLACKMESSlAH/status/909831314068688896

# ? Apr 28, 2018 18:09

R. Guyovich: Dec 25, 1991

Crowsbeak posted:

I don't know.I would just prefer to have the movie studios owned by the employees. So that we don't get poo poo like what happened for the Hobbit.

it can be two things

GalacticAcid posted:

https://twitter.com/BLACKMESSlAH/status/909831314068688896

the fast and the furious movies are good and so is tarkovsky. i want it all

# ? Apr 28, 2018 18:14

viral spiral: Sep 19, 2017; by R. Guyovich

DancingShade posted:

Remove all currency and have the state issue ration cards and work uniforms according to the central planning committee.

Make sure to wear your work uniform and carry your papers at all times, Comrade Citizen.

Also all work uniforms will be variants of boiler suits and steel capped work boots.

this unironically

# ? Apr 28, 2018 18:21

an actual dog: Nov 18, 2014

didn't tarkovsky have to change his movies to satiate the communist government? and like his last movies were made outside the ussr?

I don't think socialism stifles creativity (likes there's tons of folks who would be doing interesting things but can't because no money) but that's a bad example lol

# ? Apr 28, 2018 19:28

Ansar Santa: Jul 12, 2012

Fair enough, but at least they got made! I can hardly see something like Stalker or Solaris being made in Hollywood.

# ? Apr 28, 2018 19:33

Ansar Santa: Jul 12, 2012

I still have yet to finish Andrei Rublev. I took it out from the library a while back but I was too drunk and kept passing out every time i watched it.

# ? Apr 28, 2018 19:39

Victory Position: Mar 16, 2004

Andrei Dorkovsky posted:

if we were actually classless society would see the doctor and the dudes doing curbside trash pickup as both indispensible and honorable work

garbagepeople make really good money all things considered

# ? Apr 28, 2018 20:34

Horseshoe theory: Mar 7, 2005

Sidakafitz posted:

Fair enough, but at least they got made! I can hardly see something like Stalker or Solaris being made in Hollywood.

Wasn't Solaris remade in the early 2000s...? :raise:

# ? Apr 28, 2018 20:42

JUICY HAMBUGAR: Nov 10, 2010; Eating, America's pastime.

Weeping Wound posted:

garbagepeople make really good money all things considered

It depends.

# ? Apr 28, 2018 20:51

Ansar Santa: Jul 12, 2012

Horseshoe theory posted:

Wasn't Solaris remade in the early 2000s...?

Sure, it had the same name and the same basic plot, but It sure as hell wasn't the same. (I'm guessing. Never saw it.)

# ? Apr 28, 2018 22:02

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
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an actual dog posted:

didn't tarkovsky have to change his movies to satiate the communist government? and like his last movies were made outside the ussr?

I don't think socialism stifles creativity (likes there's tons of folks who would be doing interesting things but can't because no money) but that's a bad example lol

Tarkovsky had to get around the censors because he kept wanting to make his movies about Christian spiritualism. That's why Tarkovsky is the safe Soviet director who reactionaries can love, because his true creativity was being stifled by godless communists.

Anyway, it's impossible to imagine any Soviet film getting made today because none of them had to be made with commercial appeal in mind. The Soviet version of War & Peace was a 4 part 7 hour epic in the mid-60s, and Hollywood wasn't able to recreate that kind of seriality until Lord of the Rings. Come and See also just barely made its way past the Soviet censors to come out practically untouched, but if you tried to make something that nightmarish today it'd get an NC-17 rating and nobody would see it.

# ? Apr 28, 2018 22:23

Tunicate: May 15, 2012

wasn't there a soviet version of the hobbit

# ? Apr 28, 2018 22:30

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
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Tunicate posted:

wasn't there a soviet version of the hobbit

Yeah, it rules.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itGQ3lwpI2Q

# ? Apr 28, 2018 22:33

Egg Moron: Jul 21, 2003; the dreams of the delighting void

Tunicate posted:

wasn't there a soviet version of the hobbit

# ? Apr 28, 2018 22:35

Crowsbeak: Oct 9, 2012; by Azathoth; Lipstick Apathy

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Yeah, it rules.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itGQ3lwpI2Q

It's the third best version. (Worse is the horrible animated adaptation, fallowed by the non fan cut of Jackson's Films, with fan cut of Jacksons film in second,and then the Rankin bass one in first.)I love the songs of the Russian version.

# ? Apr 28, 2018 22:37