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phasmid posted:One of my favorite parts of God Emperor is where Siona takes Duncan to a small sietch to see what happens when he meets family sired by his predecessor. It was especially moving that Siona felt badly afterward and Duncan forgave her. It would be pretty hard to get over some poo poo like that, you'd think. I just read through that section and the thing I had to keep reminding myself is that it isn't a sietch, it's just a little village out among orchards and farmland.
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Kyle Hyde posted:I'm reading it presently, and I can tell you that it's life extending properties are definitely mentioned in passing. (in the beginning of the book anyway, I dunno if its elaborated upon later) Still catching up on the thread but this effect of spice is touched on a lot more in Heretics of Dune. Because the spice monopoly of arrakis is broken, and even the bene gesserit, who do not produce it, have vast hoards and are a major seller, spice has become a far more common accessory of life extension. Between the advances in health, genetics, and spice use, lifespans of some humans reach a couple of centuries iirc.
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basic hitler posted:Still catching up on the thread but this effect of spice is touched on a lot more in Heretics of Dune. Because the spice monopoly of arrakis is broken, and even the bene gesserit, who do not produce it, have vast hoards and are a major seller, spice has become a far more common accessory of life extension. Between the advances in health, genetics, and spice use, lifespans of some humans reach a couple of centuries iirc. Yup. It's mentioned in passing in the first book but it just isn't considered that big of a deal; Baron Harkonnen is in his early 80's when Dune happens while Rabban is in his 60's. It is never, ever mentioned that either of them are considered old because they aren't. I think Shaddam IV was described as looking in his 30's despite being an age we'd consider elderly now. I think it's limited to the wealthy and important as it's too expensive for everybody else to buy. It was also described as not really taking all that much to make you live a couple of centuries.
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Yeah, isn’t Teg like 180 at the start of heretics?
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exmachina posted:I guess it is just my headcanon, but one of the reasons I liked how prescience was handled was that it was NOT Space Magic. Navigators prescience was different in degree but not in form from Paul and Leto, that is why Navigators interfere with their prescience. They are just not as good at it. This is not too far off. Paul begins to awaken in the desert. It happens as he uses every ounce pf his training up to that pount. He had been secretly trained as a mentat and was computing as one; as he became more exposed to spice in the deep deaert of arrakis, the number and scope of calculations increased exponwntially to the point he was able to infer his maternal grandfather and his mothers nascent pregnancy from very tiny nearly u perceptible pieces of data, and this rapidly gives way to prediction and prescience. If anypne wants to argue about what prescience is and isn't, all of you guys need to go read paul and Jessica's trek in the desert. Paul's prescience is basically magic but it's built on/born rrom a foundation of mentat-like thinking
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basic hitler posted:This is not too far off. I really think that Frank Herbert did that on purpose to leave prescience ambiguous. That or to make Paul extra special and thus an extra big chaos factor in the universe. In the end he was a Mentat and a Bene Jesserit and had the abilities of both. He was being trained in both as a kid and grew up in each of them. This made him a truly exceptional person that ended up getting revered religiously which caused some very bad things to happen.
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i like the part with the fighting and then it was weird andthen sandworms :shcokedc: and then toto h;ad somew icked guitar
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRzVFlZxBv4
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oh and then capitain picard threw a nuclear pug at sting while the principal from kindergarden cop was lik e"i make the beds"
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Apr 28, 2018 22:20
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let me ask ziggy where the signet rings are, agent cooper
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Apr 28, 2018 22:23
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Apr 28, 2018 22:24
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Is this testing whether I'm a fremen or a lesbian, Stilgar?
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Apr 28, 2018 22:27
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Well, I went to Sietch Tabr once but I never felt too lucky.
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oh look im the dune foley artis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxarGWjcIZg
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Why do you lay these troubles on an already troubled mind? Can you not see, your uncle is wearied by your...malcontent, your warmongering, Feyd?
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Tell me about the waters of your homeworld, Usul. Paul opened his eyes. "Isn't that strange? My homeworld's Caladan. I've never heard of a planet called Usual."
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MC Hawking posted:Tell me about the waters of your homeworld, Usul. Repost, forgive me
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*hoverhands the gom jabbar*
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:I have a theory that's not entirely original that Dune is Frank Herbert's attempt at flipping the themes of The Foundation trilogy on its head. Where Asimov liked his future-seeing philosopher scientists, Herbert thought they were dangerous and he wrote the Dune series as a rebuke. speaking of the Foundation, do you think the hermaphrodite kid was evil at the end? she had shifty eyes i think
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BONGHITZ posted:speaking of the Foundation, do you think the hermaphrodite kid was evil at the end? she had shifty eyes i think  still a good theory though!
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Spinster posted:Repost, forgive me I watched the entire 3hr fan cut of Dune yesterday and I really wish the scene where Paul, leto, Dr Uuey, and faeit Keynes we're all sitting around liate I got to Sir Patric Stewart paly his space electric mandolin sitar thingie wasn't cut from the final releaae. It's so hilariously awkward when Paul starts bopping his head like "gently caress yeah this is the poo poo". Paul is the ultimate Chad.
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The Tleilaxu are the ultimate volcels. Read Heretics, heretics!
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I'm actually reading the first one now and simultaneously studying some online college course material analyzing the book to achieve better understanding of why fear is the mind killer.
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Actually I don't think Paul is the ultimate Chad but you bet your rear end some idiotic incel has made the argument that generations of specific genetic engineering are necessary to become Chad.
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MC Hawking posted:Actually I don't think Paul is the ultimate Chad but you bet your rear end some idiotic incel has made the argument that generations of specific genetic engineering are necessary to become Chad. really the fact that you exist at all is proof that all your male ancestors were sufficiently Chadly to reproduce
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Murray Mantoinette posted:Remember when Alia was fighting a training killbot naked and managed to get to a higher level than even any swordmasters and Paul was worried it might kill her so he turned it off by hitting its millimeter-sized deactivation switch with a throwing knife from across the practice floor while it was wigging out at like a million miles an hour and the only reaction she had was “hm, must be Paul I don’t think anyone else could do that.” I was attacked by a bunch of spice crazed fanatics of the green-black flag but things stopped happening after book 4, which is kind of the point but doesnt make a good read
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The way I figure it Paul just figured the whole universe could use a good cornholing but pussed out so Leto II took the reigns and was like "what of it bitches, I control the Spice so bend over." And then Duncan is like "woah dude, this poo poo is whack."
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MC Hawking posted:The way I figure it Paul just figured the whole universe could use a good cornholing but pussed out so Leto II took the reigns and was like "what of it bitches, I control the Spice so bend over." The way I understand it, this is exactly right. Paul realized that the amount of dick slapping that is necessary is too much for him, so he kinda gave up. But leto II gave it his 100 (4.5 thouthand years) E: I,ll elaborate this a little. Paul was going kund of crazy about the jyhad he vproduced. But it was nothing compared to what is really necessary. So the man chose to regress from godhood to fanatic because godhood asked the unthinkable. Going blind and insane is nothing compared to what really must be done. Sekenr fucked around with this message at 02:10 on May 1, 2018 |
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People itt seem to be misremembering paul's relationship to the golden path. he saw the same thing, and had the same potential to do, what Leto II did. He had the same calling, however his identity as atreides made him desperate to avoid mere jihad and becoming his version of the Tyrant was entirely anathema to who he was at that point. His son's personality being an amalgam of ancestor spirits that strongly identified as a fremen as more than a survival ruse meant that he was far more ready and willing to do the needful. it was mostly a product of being preborn and being born into a society for whom survival was paramount, rather than a highborn imperial teenaged boy who adopted it to avoid dying.
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Will someone please post that rad picture of the Sandworm God
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There's a point in children of dune where leto confronts his dad, has a vicious mind-battle that sounds like it played out like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22Tj_l4PcPs
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basic hitler posted:People itt seem to be misremembering paul's relationship to the golden path. That makes sense and I hadn't realized it before. Thanks for explaining it.
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predicting the future is tricky business, should leave it to the robots
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BONGHITZ posted:predicting the future is tricky business, should leave it to the robots No!!
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BONGHITZ posted:predicting the future is tricky business, should leave it to the robots Bro, this is how you get prequels. Is that what you want? Prequels?
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Duncan is always right
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frank herbert could have written a loving prequel. he would have prequeled the ultimate prequel. people would be talking about how frank wrote the only good prequel ever. but he was above prequels. forward thinkers don't look back and reminisce on what's already been done. turn that clock forward. write your own poo poo, son, and stop letting kevin j anderson poo poo on your dad's grave. there's no chance he did anything to deserve this level of defilement so let it rest dipshit
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it's crazy how much they get wrong and make boring like the butlerian jihad is basically explicitly spelled out across the four books -- they threw out all the machines and tried to eliminate 'machine thinking', not the war against LORD CYBERTREX-8000. the horrifying future that leto 2 is trying to avoid is when someone forgets the lessons of the past and builds prescient killing machines, not the actual return of LORD CYBERTREX-8000. Milkfred E. Moore fucked around with this message at 06:16 on May 1, 2018 |
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