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pospysyl
Nov 10, 2012



David Brooks has a column out today called One Reform to Save America". What that reform is... may surprise you.

It's good!

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Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

pospysyl posted:

David Brooks has a column out today called One Reform to Save America". What that reform is... may surprise you.

It's good!

It's not bad. Not that it's good.

BBJoey
Oct 31, 2012

while it’s astonishing that so many countries including the usa still use a system as fundamentally broken as fptp, a preferential voting system is not a cure all. see for example my country australia, where despite having what i would say one of the best voting systems in the world (mandatory voting including laws requiring employers to give time off to vote, robust postal/early voting mechanisms, preferential voting in both houses, proportional representation (though only in one house), independent drawing of electoral boundaries), politicians are still shitheads.

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

pospysyl posted:

David Brooks has a column out today called One Reform to Save America". What that reform is... may surprise you.

It's good!

The amusing thing is that while his conclusion is something good, the problems he identifies are totally absurd (American politics becoming too "extreme," and there being four primary parties of liberal/conservative Republicans and Democrats respectively).

pospysyl
Nov 10, 2012



Ytlaya posted:

The amusing thing is that while his conclusion is something good, the problems he identifies are totally absurd (American politics becoming too "extreme," and there being four primary parties of liberal/conservative Republicans and Democrats respectively).

Exactly. The symptoms he identifies are dumb, both in terms of what is actually a problem ("lost faith in norms" being one) and when they actually became problems (when exactly were we at peak democracy?) but he understands the underlying issue that he thinks causes those imaginary symptoms.

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

BBJoey posted:

while it’s astonishing that so many countries including the usa still use a system as fundamentally broken as fptp, a preferential voting system is not a cure all. see for example my country australia, where despite having what i would say one of the best voting systems in the world (mandatory voting including laws requiring employers to give time off to vote, robust postal/early voting mechanisms, preferential voting in both houses, proportional representation (though only in one house), independent drawing of electoral boundaries), politicians are still shitheads.

People are shitheads op
This is still a good reform though

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

BBJoey posted:

while it’s astonishing that so many countries including the usa still use a system as fundamentally broken as fptp, a preferential voting system is not a cure all. see for example my country australia, where despite having what i would say one of the best voting systems in the world (mandatory voting including laws requiring employers to give time off to vote, robust postal/early voting mechanisms, preferential voting in both houses, proportional representation (though only in one house), independent drawing of electoral boundaries), politicians are still shitheads.

Yeah but it's Australia everyone is a shithead

KaptainKrunk
Feb 6, 2006


any solution that isn't early Soviet democracy won't solve anything hth

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



i enjoyed this line

quote:

The process also means that people with minority views in their region have a greater chance to be represented in Congress. A district in Southern California, for example, might elect a Bernie Sanders-type progressive, a centrist business Democrat and a conservative.

because he's dumb enough to think that a location that democrats always win incredibly bigly would somehow elect any republicans instead of three democrats. if 60% of the population in a district would never vote for a say a republican under any circumstance, ranked choice voting isnt going to let republicans win any seats unless the majority doesnt run a complete slate for some reason (lets put aside for the moment that not contesting every election is something the democrats do all the time).

ranked choice voting is good because it would allow people to avoid tactical voting where people compromise their beliefs to vote for someone who has a better shot of winning, but i think this is the first time where i read someone say that the belief people are compromising is centrism and the more electable candidates are the ones at the fringes.

basically brooks begins the article by noting that the parties are starkly ideologically opposed with great distance between them then spends the rest of the article ignoring that and supposing that in reality everyone wants to vote for moderates

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

parliamentary systems are better and more democratic, but europe has them and their democratic "socialist" governments are going full neoliberal by kissing the rear end of bankers while pushing austerity for everyone else

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

comedyblissoption posted:

parliamentary systems are better and more democratic, but europe has them and their democratic "socialist" governments are going full neoliberal by kissing the rear end of bankers while pushing austerity for everyone else

That doesn't mean that political reforms don't matter.
The electoral college put trump in office for example

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

I'm saying you can't have democracy under capitalism

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

comedyblissoption posted:

I'm saying you can't have democracy under capitalism

:ok:

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

https://twitter.com/HannaIngber/status/1002564320700530691?s=19

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010


The paper of record

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

lmaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

ahahahahaha

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004


:eyepop:

Wraith of J.O.I.
Jan 25, 2012


https://twitter.com/7im/status/1002616436752150535?s=21
https://twitter.com/samestevetignor/status/1002622911138729990?s=21

Wraith of J.O.I.
Jan 25, 2012


lol

https://twitter.com/nytnational/status/1002658577620840448?s=21

lmao they deleted it but the ratio bot screen capped it

https://twitter.com/ratiobot69/status/1002666327188951040?s=21

linked to this article: https://nyti.ms/2LdMVPv

Wraith of J.O.I. has issued a correction as of 23:14 on Jun 1, 2018

the bitcoin of weed
Nov 1, 2014


oh they already talked about that six months ago so they'll never have to make white people feel bad about it ever again. sounds about right

Grand Prize Winner
Feb 19, 2007


The failing... Los Angeles Times?

https://twitter.com/latimes/status/...r%3D2544%23pti4

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
lol I stopped reading at

quote:

Although Peterson can sound like a chauvinistic crank when he seems to suggest that women incite sexual harassment by wearing makeup to the office,

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

lol dat ratio

Jerry Manderbilt
May 31, 2012

No matter how much paperwork I process, it never goes away. It only increases.

quote:

Cathy Young is a contributing editor at Reason.

lol

also i remember like a month after the election, when LA times' travel editor decided it would be a good idea to post two bald-faced ahistorical letters to the editor from two mad whiteys whining about an article saying japanese-american internment wasn't that bad, and hell was done to protect them

ded redd
Aug 1, 2010

by Fluffdaddy

"let's dig into that incel market" *gets blown up by incel*

Baku
Aug 20, 2005

by Fluffdaddy

an actual dog posted:

the failing LA times
the failing LA times
hi-ho, a derry-o
the failing new york times

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 19 days!)


just mainstreaming libertarians is all

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme
we are almost at neo-feudal hell world level

just a matter of the next crash shaking off the illusion

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

lmao of course

i wonder how many women actually work at reason

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/DavidKlion/status/1002623617606324224

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/thecitywanderer/status/1002704282985074689

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost
Jesus loving Christ.

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



lol hersh has always come off as loving nuts

pospysyl
Nov 10, 2012




Many of the same conclusions. Not that over 4,000 people died, but you know, other conclusions.

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

pospysyl posted:

Many of the same conclusions. Not that over 4,000 people died, but you know, other conclusions.

Look, basically any number bigger than about 20 is the same number.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/chick_in_kiev/status/1003337561169977345

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/PeterHamby/status/1002968888299016194

Horseshoe theory
Mar 7, 2005


Seymour Hersh views women as objects, you say? I guess he and Jordan Peterson have much in common.

Horseshoe theory has issued a correction as of 00:27 on Jun 4, 2018

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R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

docbeard posted:

Look, basically any number bigger than about 20 is the same number.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkP_OGDCLY0

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