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It has nothing to do with "relationships are inherently manipulative" and everything to do with "acting like a parent when your first priority is and always will be making a child into an effective soldier." Misato is constantly worried that Shinji will "see through" her. This is not just generalized insecurity. She needs something from him, and that something is extremely bad for his sanity and health. Her job isn't to mentor him, it's to keep him functional enough that he'll get in the robot and cooperate. She can justify this to herself by saying it's to save the world, but Misato herself is suspicious of NERV leadership and by the end of the series has pretty much twigged to the fact that there's something else going on -- and even then, she keeps on doing things the same way. Now, she really does also care about Shinji -- not least because she sees herself in him. But it comes second to the war against the angels every time. The most blatant example of manipulation is her death scene in EoE. But that doesn't just come out of nowhere -- it's a more extreme version of their relationship up until that point. She's protecting him (from being assassinated by soldiers, from witnessing her own death, etc.) but she's also pushing him into the machine that ends the world in the hope that he'll take out a few of their enemies along the way, and using some really messed up psychological methods to do it.
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She is a way better parent than commanding officer. If that is how she was trying to manipulate him she wasn’t trying very hard. Also I don’t think she was trying to get him to take down a few enemies as that would serve no purpose, she is telling him to fight back because if he doesn’t he dies. CharlestheHammer fucked around with this message at 14:52 on Jul 19, 2018 |
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CharlestheHammer posted:She is a way better parent than commanding officer. She stuck her tongue down his throat! She said "we'll do the rest when you come back" when she was very aware that she was dead in minutes. That's not being a very good parent.
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SHISHKABOB posted:She stuck her tongue down his throat! She said "we'll do the rest when you come back" when she was very aware that she was dead in minutes. That's not being a very good parent. Reassuring a kid is something Parents do. Also Tom Brady kisses his kids.
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CharlestheHammer posted:Reassuring a kid is something Parents do. Ok I guess we disagree on what a good parent is.
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I don't remember exactly how the conversation goes but when I get home I'll go dig up the scene where she talks to him after the first time he refuses to pilot, I think it will be illuminating.
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SHISHKABOB posted:Ok I guess we disagree on what a good parent is. How many super bowl rings do you have, Checkmate.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:TV Eva has Gendo act coldly and selfishly towards his son, but ultimately reveals that he himself is insecure and desperate to be loved.
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Its stated multiple times, explicitly by the characters involved, that Misato is using Shinji (and all of Nerv) to get revenge for her father's death. Misato is a lovely parent that tries her best and is actually hyper competent at her job. She appears fast and loose but is extremely good at her job.
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I don't know if Charlesthehammer is trolling or if he truly only comprehends media at a surface level, but either way y'all are making hella good posts in response and I wish this thread sustained that sort of discussion more regularly.
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jit bull transpile posted:I don't know if Charlesthehammer is trolling or if he truly only comprehends media at a surface level, but either way y'all are making hella good posts in response and I wish this thread sustained that sort of discussion more regularly. Nothing I said is wrong so I think I comprehend fairly well. Like nothing I said is surface level but buzzwords are fun to use I guess. CharlestheHammer fucked around with this message at 00:30 on Jul 20, 2018 |
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No at this point you're either severely unable to comprehend what people are posting or being extremely willingly obtuse. But you are Charlesthehammer so it could be both.
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RevolverDivider posted:No at this point you're either severely unable to comprehend what people are posting or being extremely willingly obtuse. I comprehending fine thanks. I guess if you can’t really debate something got to go personal. Like I get their arguments I just don’t really agree.
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I'm not sure you're quite getting any of the arguments being made here either tbh. Going back to the beginning of this discussion for example...CharlestheHammer posted:Lol nah. Though the rebuilds don’t really comment on much of anything really. I'll ask you this, with that post in mind: What do you find the artistic purpose of 2.22's ending giving an alternative version of the events of episode 19 of the original series and the existence of 3.33 to be?
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I don’t really think there is a specific artistic intent to make something different. It seems more of reaction to the fact that people complained that the movies felt like the the TV series but condensed. I don’t really feel like two changed it enough to really address those complaints. Three does seem to have the message that you can’t just do the same thing over and over and you got to move on both in story for Shinji and the fan base in general as Anno has said that exact thing before but I guess you could call that surface level or whatever as it’s literally the title and not exactly subtle. I am also not sure what argument I’m not getting. What is this mythical argument I’m not getting Edit though if your point is that post was hyperbolic then fair enough I guess. CharlestheHammer fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Jul 20, 2018 |
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I liked it when Gendo said "Good work, Shinji" after Sahaquiel/Space Bomb Angel 
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thinking bout thos rebuilds
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CharlestheHammer posted:Gendo isn’t hostile he is indifferent that is a huge difference. denying a child love or making your emotional support contingent on them doing what you want is a hostile act, even if you don't yell at them Tuxedo Catfish posted:I don't remember exactly how the conversation goes but when I get home I'll go dig up the scene where she talks to him after the first time he refuses to pilot, I think it will be illuminating. that's the type of scene i very much have in mind
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wild to think that more time will separate rebuild 1.0 and 3.0+1.0 than separated the end of the tv show and the start of rebuild
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in the year 2525 forum posters keep hope alive waiting around for anno-san to just release that last movie, man
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:denying a child love or making your emotional support contingent on them doing what you want is a hostile act, even if you don't yell at them Yeah, Misato straight up slaps Shinji and yells at him for doing what she wants him to do, but for the "wrong" reason. Re: Gendo not being hostile, holy moly, that is 90% of his character. If there is a problem of definition here then maybe "abusive" would be better. When Shinji calls him on the emergency line that is for the exact situation they are in he says to not call again and tells Fuyutski to cancel the line and change the number.
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Take that, blood sea! EDIT: Alternately: We must move forward, not backward; upward, not forward; and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!
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Tythas posted:video is already pulled for copyright https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaeuPJnKgQ8
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:like we talk about all the hosed up stuff in Shinji's life all the time but jesus christ let's consider for a moment what it must be like to be raised by a man who cloned you from his dead wife and cares for you primarily as a proxy for her It's always been kind of interesting to me how little Rei being a clone of Yui actually means on a personal level. I mean yeah it means lots of stuff in terms of TechnoMagic Bullshit, but in terms of stuff that actually matters, Rei really isn't that close to Yui at all IMO
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heres a link that probably wont get pulled since its not on youtube https://streamable.com/g44lq
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In Training posted:heres a link that probably wont get pulled since its not on youtube https://streamable.com/g44lq I’m glad Platinum Games is finally making movies
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Spiritus Nox posted:It's always been kind of interesting to me how little Rei being a clone of Yui actually means on a personal level. I think it's because she doesn't have Yui's soul. She has Lilith's soul. Yui's soul is in Unit 01. [edit] Somewhere in the Eva universe there's a yahoo question posted "is it incest if it's a clone of your mom but she has someone elses soul? reply quickly!"
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What's your guys' favorite reductive one-liner description of Evangelion? I think mine is "a show about the psychological brutalization of child soldiers fighting for an apocalypse cult."
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:What's your guys' favorite reductive one-liner description of Evangelion? I think mine is "a show about the psychological brutalization of child soldiers fighting for an apocalypse cult." "it is a response to stereotypical action shows where stoic violence solves all problems in cartoon form"
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what was the time gap between the airing and disc release of the previous rebuilds? i know 3 had a redub. if this is true, 2022 is reasonable, right
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it was about ~1.5 to 2 years in between theatrical release and home release
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PenguinKnight posted:it was about ~1.5 to 2 years in between theatrical release and home release In the US we had to wait. Japan got their discs in April after the November theatrical release. Hopefully the dub doesn't get botched this time around.
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...Something that just occurred to me. Have we ever seen Kiel in person in Rebuild? Or has it always just been his Spooky SEELE Monolith? Would a theoretical fresh Rebuild viewer have anyway of knowing that that's his mask Gendo wears in 3.0 without having the context of the original show?
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Spiritus Nox posted:...Something that just occurred to me. he does not appear physically, no. Then again, it's mot like the Rebuilds, and especially not 3.0, were ever intended to be truly consumed in a vacuum - they are absolutely a response to the original series and are best understood in that context.
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