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ROH | 20 | 22.47% | |
America | 69 | 77.53% | |
Total: | 89 votes |
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TRENT!!!!!!!! e: https://twitter.com/totaldivaseps/status/1020482551482396672 Pinwiz11 fucked around with this message at 02:37 on Jul 21, 2018 |
# ? Jul 21, 2018 02:33 |
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# ? Jun 8, 2024 09:04 |
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I will forever mark for the hugmaker shot.
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# ? Jul 21, 2018 02:55 |
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Happy Happyist posted:I will forever mark for the hugmaker shot. It was wonderful to watch. Now somehow I’m watching the NWA title being defended ityol 2018. I’m oddly excited for this. Marshal Prolapse fucked around with this message at 03:58 on Jul 21, 2018 |
# ? Jul 21, 2018 03:41 |
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MazelTovCocktail posted:It was wonderful to watch. I've said this before, but I think people are hungry for an organization to be a challenger to Vince. That's not to say I suddenly think the NWA is that organization, exactly (they HAVE done a solid job of trying to create intrigue in their flagship belt, though) . But I do think that the quality of NJPW along with the timing of WWE's product being largely trash despite a strong talent roster along with the internet allowing people easier access to it is significant, and I just wish there was a way for the quality organizations to be under the NWA umbrella in such a way that people would take seriously. I feel like we're on the brink of a new age in wrestling, I just don't know how it's going to come together. But I hope it makes WWE care about their product again.
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# ? Jul 21, 2018 03:56 |
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Happy Happyist posted:the hugmaker
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# ? Jul 21, 2018 04:23 |
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I want Broken Okada to spin Jay White out for the rainmaker and yank him into the most powerful hug of all. The hug of true friendship.
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# ? Jul 21, 2018 14:52 |
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I can't believe ROH had a show on the 20th and it got like 3 posts. Is ROH really that cold?
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# ? Jul 22, 2018 16:32 |
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The Best Friends reunion gif (I wasn’t aware they were apart tbqh) made the wrestling twitter rounds but I have not heard a single thing about the show itself, which seems about right.
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# ? Jul 22, 2018 17:40 |
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Basic Chunnel posted:The Best Friends reunion gif (I wasn’t aware they were apart tbqh) made the wrestling twitter rounds but I have not heard a single thing about the show itself, which seems about right. Because the only relevant parts were that moment and Magnus retaining the NWA title against Flip, and even the latter part is stretching some people's definition of the word "relevance"
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# ? Jul 22, 2018 17:41 |
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fart blood posted:I can't believe ROH had a show on the 20th and it got like 3 posts. Cold as in setting attendance records all the time, they are freezing!
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# ? Jul 22, 2018 18:28 |
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fart blood posted:I can't believe ROH had a show on the 20th and it got like 3 posts. ROH is a vessel for New Japan talent to be showcased in America and nothing more If a ROH show doesn't have New Japan guys...really who gives a poo poo
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# ? Jul 22, 2018 18:41 |
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fart blood posted:I can't believe ROH had a show on the 20th and it got like 3 posts. there is what feels like zero live watchers or online buzz about any of their shows or matches, only people in attendance.
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# ? Jul 22, 2018 18:50 |
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MassRafTer posted:Cold as in setting attendance records all the time, they are freezing! Record breaking crowds aren't always a sign of a good product, look at WWE or post mid 98 WCW As it stands right now the biggest things getting people to watch and pay attention to their shows are a free youtube series and being able to showcase New Japan or CMLL talent. their ability to kill interest in their world title in just 3 short years is astounding
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# ? Jul 22, 2018 18:51 |
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EugeneJ posted:ROH is a vessel for New Japan talent to be showcased in America and nothing more Their last PPV was pretty much all ROH contracted guys and did great business. exploded mummy posted:Record breaking crowds aren't always a sign of a good product, look at WWE or post mid 98 WCW The company is hotter than it has ever been, the negativity is astounding. Sorry they are putting on a product no one wants to see but that is what makes money in the US right now.
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# ? Jul 22, 2018 18:54 |
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MassRafTer posted:Their last PPV was pretty much all ROH contracted guys and did great business. I uhhh can’t tell if you’re sarcastic or not
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# ? Jul 22, 2018 19:00 |
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fart blood posted:I uhhh can’t tell if you’re sarcastic or not Everything I have said in my last two posts is the unfiltered truth. ROH is doing great business but no one talks about them because no one knows who their product appeals to. It's a group between WWE casuals and hardcore fans. Lots of Bullet Club fans, but lots of like...not obsessed wrestling fans. It's weird.
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# ? Jul 22, 2018 19:04 |
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Let's see what everyone says when ROH sells out the Garden within minutes.
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# ? Jul 22, 2018 19:19 |
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Roque11 posted:Let's see what everyone says when ROH sells out the Garden within minutes. that no one is watching or tweeting about it on our timelines over the nxt takeover tweets just like this year
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# ? Jul 22, 2018 19:30 |
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KungFu Grip posted:that no one is watching or tweeting about it on our timelines over the nxt takeover tweets just like this year All of those sad people tweeting about the less attended event while ROH does numbers.
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# ? Jul 22, 2018 19:35 |
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MassRafTer posted:All of those sad people tweeting about the less attended event while ROH does numbers. I was going to say that ROH is lucky that the NJPW partnership is so strong because of how much they rely on Bullet Club to sell out shows. But even that's not much of a help when ROH's product isn't even hot enough to keep everyone in the building for their main event this year.
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# ? Jul 22, 2018 19:52 |
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KungFu Grip posted:I was going to say that ROH is lucky that the NJPW partnership is so strong because of how much they rely on Bullet Club to sell out shows. But even that's not much of a help when ROH's product isn't even hot enough to keep everyone in the building for their main event this year. Yes let us just ignore all of the non NJPW shows that are doing big numbers and the big increases every year. Meanwhile NXT can't sell out piggy backing off MITB (problems mounting?) while a card built around ROH talent sold more tickets in seconds. The smarks are sad the farm league NXT is declining while ROH has more momentum than a speeding bullet.
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# ? Jul 22, 2018 19:57 |
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its cool that ROH is doing great business but they're not doing great art, which is a problem that'll come to a head down the road. They'll find that bit to tug and get people excited about their shows to talk about online. Or they won't and people will stop coming. Such is the way of things.
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# ? Jul 22, 2018 20:02 |
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MassRafTer posted:Yes let us just ignore all of the non NJPW shows that are doing big numbers and the big increases every year. Meanwhile NXT can't sell out piggy backing off MITB (problems mounting?) while a card built around ROH talent sold more tickets in seconds. The smarks are sad the farm league NXT is declining while ROH has more momentum than a speeding bullet. Yes, lets ignore all the non njpw shows, because i honestly am unaware of them even happening from the lack of online buzz around them. I only knew there was a ROH show this weekend because ROH had a big indy name debut. My point isn't that they aren't selling out or whatever, my point is how dead the product is with people in online communities and how this thread is mostly dead unless there's big news like the MSG show. No one talks about upcoming matches in here or title matches. I don't see ROH matches being nominated in the MOTYC thread unlike years pass. You keep banging a drum about their business when I'm not talking about their business, I'm talking about their buzz and the word of mouth about them online being practically nonexistent.
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# ? Jul 22, 2018 20:07 |
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last year i only found out a roh ppv and tv taping were in town the day of because a guy in a dalton castle shirt came up to my window at work. then i found out they hit up vegas like 3 times a year but if im not actively searching out when they're here i never know when their shows are.
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# ? Jul 22, 2018 20:12 |
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KungFu Grip posted:Yes, lets ignore all the non njpw shows, because i honestly am unaware of them even happening from the lack of online buzz around them. I only knew there was a ROH show this weekend because ROH had a big indy name debut. My point isn't that they aren't selling out or whatever, my point is how dead the product is with people in online communities and how this thread is mostly dead unless there's big news like the MSG show. No one talks about upcoming matches in here or title matches. I don't see ROH matches being nominated in the MOTYC thread unlike years pass. You keep banging a drum about their business when I'm not talking about their business, I'm talking about their buzz and the word of mouth about them online being practically nonexistent. See I thought the same lack of buzz and the product itself being cold would cause the WWE troubles and welp they're going to be getting an insane amount of TV money over the next few years. Not to mention having the big Mania events do crazy business. While I'm not sure it can continue long term it very much looks like the actual quality of the product doesn't matter in the US in terms of being able to make money over the next few years.
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# ? Jul 22, 2018 20:34 |
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KungFu Grip posted:Yes, lets ignore all the non njpw shows, because i honestly am unaware of them even happening from the lack of online buzz around them. I only knew there was a ROH show this weekend because ROH had a big indy name debut. My point isn't that they aren't selling out or whatever, my point is how dead the product is with people in online communities and how this thread is mostly dead unless there's big news like the MSG show. No one talks about upcoming matches in here or title matches. I don't see ROH matches being nominated in the MOTYC thread unlike years pass. You keep banging a drum about their business when I'm not talking about their business, I'm talking about their buzz and the word of mouth about them online being practically nonexistent. I'm sorry that you are so focused on nebulous concept like "buzz" instead of the fact this company is riding a hot streak like never before.
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# ? Jul 22, 2018 20:42 |
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but which one's the real roque
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# ? Jul 22, 2018 20:46 |
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ROH has successfully branded themselves as "the WWE alternative" and riding a big wave of casual fan interest. There's really nothing more to it than that.
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# ? Jul 22, 2018 20:50 |
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Friday's stream was a glorified House Show, so I wouldn't be concerned that there wasn't that much coverage. Let's see how the PPV goes in late September.
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# ? Jul 22, 2018 20:59 |
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Benne posted:ROH has successfully branded themselves as "the WWE alternative" and riding a big wave of casual fan interest. There's really nothing more to it than that. So it's TNA circa 2005?
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# ? Jul 22, 2018 21:08 |
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Manic_Misanthrope posted:So it's TNA circa 2005? Without the stacked roster
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# ? Jul 22, 2018 21:09 |
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I threw Ring of Honor into the Buzz O Meter and folks the Buzz is rising.
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# ? Jul 22, 2018 21:15 |
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MassRafTer posted:Their last PPV was pretty much all ROH contracted guys and did great business. you mean the PPV where the top 3 matches all had Bullet Club heels, the fourth one down (the first with no Bullet Club) had KUSHIDA, and the opener had LIJ oh and the other two men's matches had Austin Aries and Bully Ray MassRafTer posted:The company is hotter than it has ever been, the negativity is astounding. Sorry they are putting on a product no one wants to see but that is what makes money in the US right now. someone tell Denver Colorado this Manic_Misanthrope posted:So it's TNA circa 2005? they recently booked Austin Aries and have Bully Ray OJ MIST 2 THE DICK fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Jul 22, 2018 |
# ? Jul 22, 2018 21:42 |
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"Internet Buzz" mattering more than having people pay to see your shows is extremely WCW 2000.
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# ? Jul 22, 2018 22:24 |
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To say they aren't doing well right now is pretty ridiculous even if they aren't super hot, and while yeah the Bullet Club stuff is helping a lot, why should ROH be faulted for it? They had the Young Bucks before NJPW did, Adam Page and Cody are based out of ROH while getting NJPW spots, Flip Gordon is a Ring Of Honor grown guy. To say that ROH's drawing doesn't count because they're using Bullet Club just sounds silly to me. If you have access to something that can draw, why wouldn't you take advantage of it? ROH has always done that, from using guys out of NOAH and Dragon Gate to using former stars of theirs that got bigger with TNA exposure on spot shows. If it draws, it draws. ROH is running a PPV out of the Orleans Arena, which is situated for anywhere between 3,000 and 8,000 for wrestling, and they're probably going to draw into that figure for it. They're presenting a nationally touring alternative to WWE that has more exposure thanks to the NJPW connection, and I don't think that it's a negative. If anything, it's showing that working with other companies and organizations is only a benefit for business as opposed to staying isolationist and pretending other promotions don't exist.
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# ? Jul 22, 2018 22:38 |
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exploded mummy posted:you mean the PPV where the top 3 matches all had Bullet Club heels, the fourth one down (the first with no Bullet Club) had KUSHIDA, and the opener had LIJ Ah yes Kushida drew that house and is worth mentioning. I love Kushida but we know who is drawing and why the buzz is charting. The Bullet Club ROH guys are hot.
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# ? Jul 22, 2018 23:16 |
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I used to love ROH but I basically gave up on it after they had a string of shows where their streaming just completely poo poo the bed and I got to see barely any of the shows I paid for live. I'm sure they've fixed things since then, but once I stop watching something regularly it's very easy to just stop entirely. Lucha Underground has the same issue for me, though of course ROH is actually doing really good numbers while LU is just lurching towards a slow and drawn out death.
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# ? Jul 22, 2018 23:22 |
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# ? Jun 8, 2024 09:04 |
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It has been a good run but this thread couldn't contain the buzz. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3863989
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# ? Jul 23, 2018 03:04 |