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One of my favorite things about literature is that being a good writer means absolutely nothing about being a good person, and I get a sick thrill whenever I learn that someone who writes great books is a total piece of poo poo. It makes me feel better about not having written any great books. I was recently reminded of this by the death of V.S. Naipaul, who is in my Top 5 great writers of all time and also was, by all accounts, a legendary rear end in a top hat. When your bad personality shares top billing with your Nobel Prize in the first sentence of your Times obit? That's when you know you were a double-genius: "LONDON — V.S. Naipaul, the Trinidad-born Nobel laureate whose precise and lyrical writing in such novels as "A Bend in the River" and "A House for Mr. Biswas" and brittle, misanthropic personality made him one of the world's most admired and contentious writers, died Saturday at his London home, his family said."' Anyway, perhaps you know of a good writer who is a bad person? If so, post about 'em here. I'll start. Geoffrey Chaucer Accused of rape. Probably did it. Vladimir Nabokov Called jazz "jungle music."
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# ? Aug 16, 2018 02:25 |
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# ? Jun 5, 2024 06:00 |
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lovecraft was pretty fuckin racist
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# ? Aug 16, 2018 05:30 |
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MY INEVITABLE DEBT posted:lovecraft was pretty fuckin racist However, he wasn't a good writer, making him unsuitable for discussion in this thread.
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# ? Aug 16, 2018 05:53 |
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OP Probably an apologist, for atheism, socialism, and other forms of decadence.
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# ? Aug 16, 2018 11:11 |
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I had recently heard about how Allan Ginsberg was an overt and outspoken advocate of NAMBLA, and admitted that he "loved boys."
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# ? Aug 16, 2018 19:46 |
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Kurt Vonnegut Was in a city that got bombed, didn't help civilians
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# ? Aug 16, 2018 19:53 |
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A person who lived several decades ago Had opinions on social issues in line with the majority of people who lived at that time
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# ? Aug 16, 2018 19:55 |
The general defense of Chaucer is that the legal charge of "raptus" at the time meant "without consent of the father," not without consent. So it's possible he didn't. (But he did).
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# ? Aug 16, 2018 21:34 |
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The guy who wrote this thing was a piece of poo poo to my sister when they were a couple.
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# ? Aug 16, 2018 22:39 |
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Wanted By Weed posted:I had recently heard about how Allan Ginsberg was an overt and outspoken advocate of NAMBLA, and admitted that he "loved boys." Was going to do this one but not a good enough writer imo. On the other hand Ezra Pound supported the Italian fascists in WWII.
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# ? Aug 17, 2018 20:54 |
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Sham bam bamina! posted:The guy who wrote this thing was a piece of poo poo to my sister when they were a couple. "Combining the crackling voice of Philip Roth with the encyclopedic mind of David Foster Wallace..." lol yeah gee I wonder if he's a dip poo poo
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# ? Aug 17, 2018 20:55 |
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Speaking of poo poo heads, David Foster Wallace tried to push Mary Karr, out of a moving vehicle.
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# ? Aug 17, 2018 21:00 |
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:The general defense of Chaucer is that the legal charge of "raptus" at the time meant "without consent of the father," not without consent. So it's possible he didn't. (But he did). Also, though this is secondary, even if all that is true, he was married at the time. But I guess I'd we're going to list male authors who were also adulterers we might as well just say: pretty much all the married ones.
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# ? Aug 17, 2018 21:16 |
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Victor Hugo Opposed the Bonapartist restoration.
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# ? Aug 17, 2018 21:31 |
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cda posted:Speaking of poo poo heads, David Foster Wallace tried to push Mary Karr, out of a moving vehicle. a lot of stories from that biography and from Mary Karr make DFW out to be borderline psychotic. he also apparently had a weird obsession with women who had just had babies and routinely slept with his students
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# ? Aug 17, 2018 21:40 |
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Orson Scott Card was, like many rich white previously-Democrat voting men, driven batshit crazy by Obama being elected and went so far as to write this:quote:Unlikely Events He was quietly a piece of poo poo before that, though, who argued in favor of keeping laws against homosexuality on the books in order to, in his own words, "send a clear message that those who flagrantly violate society's regulation of sexual behavior cannot be permitted to remain as acceptable, equal citizens within that society". Like most faithful Mormons, he takes the cowardly route and hides behind rhetoric about how he does not want to ostracize people, just their way of life, rather than own the abhorrent nature of his prejudices. "In my own view, I am walking a middle way, which condemns the sin but loves the sinner." Edit: I almost forgot, he also went on to write Hamlet's Father, where he re-imagines the King as a homosexual pedophile. Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Aug 17, 2018 |
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what did shakspeare ever do to orson scott-card to deserve that
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# ? Aug 17, 2018 22:44 |
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PupsOfWar posted:what did shakspeare ever do to orson scott-card to deserve that That was about the time they started talking up how Willie might have been bi. You can see how that follows.
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# ? Aug 17, 2018 22:52 |
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But this thread is about good writers.
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# ? Aug 17, 2018 22:59 |
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st. paul
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# ? Aug 18, 2018 00:45 |
Do not look up Marion Zimmer Bradley because holy poo poo did she treat her kids wrong.
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# ? Aug 18, 2018 00:59 |
william shakespeare almost certainly a sodomite
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# ? Aug 18, 2018 04:16 |
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chernobyl kinsman posted:william shakespeare augustine of hippo was a libertine and manichean heretic prior to accepting the radical transformative grace of the Risen Christ
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# ? Aug 18, 2018 04:23 |
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i remember that céline did something wrong but i can't recall what exactly
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# ? Aug 18, 2018 04:27 |
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Tree Goat posted:i remember that céline did something wrong but i can't recall what exactly
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# ? Aug 18, 2018 04:45 |
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Knut Hamsun supported the Nazi occupation of Norway, wrote a glowing obituary for Hitler, and gave his Nobel Prize to Goebbels. Dude was just amazingly terrible.
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# ? Aug 18, 2018 14:54 |
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Homer probably ripped off his work from the oral tradition of Greek poetry.
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# ? Aug 18, 2018 15:12 |
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if you ever wrote anything ever, gently caress you
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# ? Aug 18, 2018 17:14 |
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voltaire was a heretic, deist, polygenist, caffeine addict, french man who if existed today would write articles about the wonderful philosophy of south Park in a meduim article
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# ? Aug 18, 2018 17:20 |
oscar wilde confirmed sodomite
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# ? Aug 18, 2018 18:13 |
Tree Goat posted:augustine of hippo was a libertine and manichean heretic prior to accepting the radical transformative grace of the Risen Christ origen embraced the heretical doctrine of universal salvation; also may or may not have cut off his own dick
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# ? Aug 18, 2018 18:16 |
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You, the person reading this Never wrote anything worth a drat and never will.
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# ? Aug 18, 2018 18:35 |
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Don't forget Nathaniel Hawthorne, who was a Franklin Pierce campaign surrogate. Hawthorne's effectively pro-slavery views were criticized even (perhaps especially) in his own time - while not unusual among white Americans at the time, they were certainly not the norm among New England writers. Also notable is this little rant in a letter to his publisher: Nathaniel Hawthorne posted:America is now wholly given over to a d----d mob of scribbling women, and I should have no chance of success while the public taste is occupied with their trash Also, the Chaucer and Marion Zimmer Bradley posts reminded me that Thomas Mallory wrote Morte d'Arthur while in prison for rape and armed robbery. Silver2195 fucked around with this message at 19:06 on Aug 19, 2018 |
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:You, the person reading this True; but at least I am not Heinlein or E. E. "Doc" Smith
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# ? Aug 20, 2018 09:13 |
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America is now wholly given over to a dildo'd mob of scribbling women, and I should have no chance of success while the public taste is occupied with their trash
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# ? Aug 20, 2018 10:11 |
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:Do not look up Marion Zimmer Bradley because holy poo poo did she treat her kids wrong. Not to mention protecting her pedophile husband, Walter Breen. (Who was also an author, although he just wrote stamp collecting guides.) Anyway. William S. Burroughs killed his wife while they were both drunk -- possibly an accident, possibly deliberate.
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# ? Aug 21, 2018 01:23 |
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:Do not look up Marion Zimmer Bradley because holy poo poo did she treat her kids wrong. Came here to post this. She very likely approved of her husband loving their daughters. I threw out her books.
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# ? Aug 21, 2018 21:03 |
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Thursday Next posted:Came here to post this. She very likely approved of her husband loving their daughters.
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# ? Aug 21, 2018 21:19 |
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really? what forums did they mod?
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# ? Aug 21, 2018 21:36 |
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Roald Dahl - blatant anti-semite. Sad to learn after having read and re-read his books over and over as a kid. Hasn't stopped me buying them for my daughter (who adores Charlie and the Chocolate Factory); helps that he's no longer alive to benefit financially I guess.
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