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Excalibur posted:Does anyone have suggestions for practice management for small/medium size firms. We're going to be using Clio for billing. Should we try to use Clio for everything, including using the Clio document management software, or does it make sense to use something like Box so that it plays nicely with Office? Or just use Office 365? Someone suggested using Google Docs for document management but I'm concerned that will be a disaster. We're going to be having multiple offices and remote workers. I'm trying not to get too involved but I don't want to be stuck using a terrible system. I use CLIO for almost everything except actually taking payments and find it to be extremely useful. Basically when a case comes in my secretary creates a matter in CLIO and then any documents related to that case are scanned in and added to that matter. All emails and calls related to the matter are logged the same way. This makes billing pretty easy because everything is already there. We use some of the template creation features but I draft most pleadings using other software. You do have the ability to share documents across CLIO but I don't use that much since I don't have an associate. Because I use the document management feature so heavily it's pretty seamless to work remotely. CLIO Downsides: -It's expensive compared to other practice management software. I'm sure there is a site license but there are definitely cheaper alternatives out there. -The starter package is so limited (there's no native field for adding a date of birth to contacts  ) that it's almost useless. You'll need the boutique version if you want to actually use CLIO to run your business.-The CLIO app for both IOS and Android sucks donkey balls. It's amazing how useless it is compared to the website on mobile devices. -While normally reliable, CLIO has gone down for unexpected downtime at which point EVERYTHING comes to a screeching halt. You do have the ability to link CLIO to cloud based services like Google Drive and I highly recommend you do. GamingHyena fucked around with this message at 04:09 on Aug 24, 2018 |
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Ok great, thanks. I think they are going with the Clio boutique option (they already use it for intake, billing and accounting). The question is whether Clio's document system is going to work with associates, multiple partners, different practice areas, etc. My sense is maybe not? My thinking is that everyone at the firm is going to need an email account (they want to move away from Rackspace which just happened to be down all day today) and a MS Office license, so Office 365 option might be a good starting point with exchange and document management, or at least a backup/supplement in case Clio has downtime, or if Partner/Associates want to collaborate. From Clio's marketing materials they make it seem like Clio/365 play nice, so hopefully that's true and it's a good starting point? I'm coming from a firm that had a managed IT system with a physical server and an old version of Worldox on top, and went through a two year process to move into the cloud. Their billing software was a website that hadn't been updated in 10 years, only worked with 1 browser and was either down or had connectivity issues 50% of the time (they had to call the guy who developed it when this happened so he could reset it or whatever). I basically quit the firm because they wouldn't move away from this billing system and still have PTSD about it. But please, go to law school! Excalibur fucked around with this message at 05:13 on Aug 24, 2018 |
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Aug 24, 2018 05:07
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Excalibur posted:Ok great, thanks. I think they are going with the Clio boutique option (they already use it for intake, billing and accounting). The question is whether Clio's document system is going to work with associates, multiple partners, different practice areas, etc. My sense is maybe not? My thinking is that everyone at the firm is going to need an email account (they want to move away from Rackspace which just happened to be down all day today) and a MS Office license, so Office 365 option might be a good starting point with exchange and document management, or at least a backup/supplement in case Clio has downtime, or if Partner/Associates want to collaborate. From Clio's marketing materials they make it seem like Clio/365 play nice, so hopefully that's true and it's a good starting point? I think it's going to depend on how your firm plans to use the document system. If you just need a place to electronically store and retrieve documents so everyone can see which files are attached to which matter then it should be pretty useful. CLIO also allows you to search for a document in the search bar which is pretty useful if you know you've drafted a motion before but don't remember which client you did it for (and your firm follows some sort of standard naming convention for electronic documents). It also allows you to attach a document to a contact which I find particularly useful if a potential client comes in but hasn't hired me that day. I have my secretary create a contact (but not a matter) for that person in CLIO and then scan in a copy of our client questionnaire and my notes in so I can remember their case if they call back. Different users should be able to collaborate on a document because CLIO allows you to update a document and still download previous versions. So Associate could upload a proposed document and Partner should be able to Again, I don't use that feature much but I know it exists. I use an older version of Office so my only experience with integrating the two is downloading an old word document off CLIO, editing it on my desktop and uploading it back. The biggest downside I might see would be the license cost of having every user on CLIO. I'm sure they offer some sort of bulk discount but having a ton of different users is going to add up quickly. If you're already using it for billing though then your firm is already paying those costs.
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Phil Moscowitz posted:This patent law stuff is always so incomprehensible Soothing Vapors posted:same, same Sorry, what I mean is: the law is vague, and the governments that are constructing the precedential systems involved have really free reign about what counts or not. They're going to do so based heavily on what their different publics perceive, and on what scandals and abuses reach the public sphere. This produces a really weird, rare situation where entities that are trying to create internal policies around GDPR compliance are suddenly asking themselves not only "what will make people sue us" or "what will make us compliant", but "what will be viewed as acceptable in the eyes of society?" The absence of a clear law makes them indirectly almost have to grapple with the morality of the situation, as a proxy for the law. Do as thou wilt, etc etc
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Discendo Vox posted:Sorry, what I mean is: the law is vague, and the governments that are constructing the precedential systems involved have really free reign about what counts or not. They're going to do so based heavily on what their different publics perceive, and on what scandals and abuses reach the public sphere. This produces a really weird, rare situation where entities that are trying to create internal policies around GDPR compliance are suddenly asking themselves not only "what will make people sue us" or "what will make us compliant", but "what will be viewed as acceptable in the eyes of society?" The absence of a clear law makes them indirectly almost have to grapple with the morality of the situation, as a proxy for the law. I think he was just joking
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nm posted:A racist prosecutor, how novel. . . . There is nothing racist about the best team ever and I resent your implication. (Seriously. It’s getting old and not really something I find funny. Can you chill with that please? Having a fairly emotionally charged week Bc of a case I can’t discuss Bc it’s instant doxx just add water. But really. Chill. ) Also, HDD, as long as you didn’t do it *for* the fan. Perhaps next time give them the opportunity to confess? But here there’s a duty to report. ActusRhesus fucked around with this message at 11:18 on Aug 24, 2018 |
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During a callback interview yesterday I said something to my co-interviewer that made the candidate lean forward intensely, staring at my co-interviewer, and say "oh, are you jewish?" and I lost my poo poo it's pretty hard to explain that away. "my idiot internet friends and I have a running joke about jews" is a nonviable strategy thanks for nothing Throatwarbler ActusRhesus posted:Having a fairly emotionally charged week Bc of a case I can’t discuss Bc it’s instant doxx just add water. Soothing Vapors fucked around with this message at 11:29 on Aug 24, 2018 |
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Aug 24, 2018 11:23
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ActusRhesus posted:Also, HDD, as long as you didn’t do it *for* the fan. Perhaps next time give them the opportunity to confess? But here there’s a duty to report.
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Aug 24, 2018 11:30
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I told him come clean or I'll clean your clock. In reality he's gonna go make 6 figures so gently caress it.
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Aug 24, 2018 12:27
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Soothing Vapors posted:During a callback interview yesterday I said something to my co-interviewer that made the candidate lean forward intensely, staring at my co-interviewer, and say "oh, are you jewish?" and I lost my poo poo This made me laugh. Thanks, SV. Welcome back.
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Aug 24, 2018 12:55
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Soothing Vapors posted:During a callback interview yesterday I said something to my co-interviewer that made the candidate lean forward intensely, staring at my co-interviewer, and say "oh, are you jewish?" and I lost my poo poo You are my hero. Fake edit: I'm sorry, my (((hero)))
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Aug 24, 2018 13:09
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We're all Jewish down here.
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Aug 24, 2018 13:51
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No one knows who my mother’s father is, so I might be. Probably not, though.
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Aug 24, 2018 13:56
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Mr. Nice! posted:No one knows who my mother’s father is, so I might be. Probably not, though. You might be your mother's father ? Living up to Floridaman stereotypes
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mastershakeman posted:You might be your mother's father ? Living up to Floridaman stereotypes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYlJH81dSiw
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Soothing Vapors posted:During a callback interview yesterday I said something to my co-interviewer that made the candidate lean forward intensely, staring at my co-interviewer, and say "oh, are you jewish?" and I lost my poo poo Yeah. Had meeting with victim yesterday which was... a lot of emotions. Nice kid. I wish him well, and it was nice to hear him say he appreciated the work we put in. But thinking about everything he went through is depressing as gently caress. His victim impact statement was superb. Still a rough case Bc of the behind the scenes poo poo But I’m glad we went to the mat for him. A lot of places don’t. So mild pride sure. But victims are the hardest part of the job. The outcome doesn’t erase what happened. But... victims are also why I do this job, jokes aside. At least it wasn’t a minor victim case. Those make me drink. So yeah. Rough. And ok HDD. You did right. Missed the part where you gave him a chance. gently caress that guy. Enjoy your fan.
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ActusRhesus posted:Yeah. Had meeting with victim yesterday which was... a lot of emotions. Nice kid. I wish him well, and it was nice to hear him say he appreciated the work we put in. But thinking about everything he went through is depressing as gently caress. His victim impact statement was superb. Still a rough case Bc of the behind the scenes poo poo Had a juvenile attempted murder/rape case where I filed for state compensation to victims of violence and abuse on behalf of the very young victim and the family where I had to in detail describe the sequence of events, submit the forensic medical findings and criminal case documents with illustrations and based on that recommend and justify a [size] claim from case law. Probably the closest I've come so far to just say gently caress it and work a loving cash register job instead. It's just not worth it, though major kudos to anyone who can stomach this stuff on the reg to help the victims. VVV Yeah, that's the thing that horrifies me about prosecution. Unfair, bullshit aquittals I can handle, but I know for a fact these kinds of cases give me nightmares. I hope this is a very minor part of your specific job. Nice piece of fish fucked around with this message at 14:50 on Aug 24, 2018 |
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Aug 24, 2018 14:34
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Unfortunately another I can’t get into because it’s a unique fact pattern instant doxx just add google. But the worst I’ve handled involves an 8 year old boy. Autopsy and crime scene photos were beyond awful.
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Aug 24, 2018 14:45
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I think the hardest job in the world has to be coroner. Imagine doing autopsies on all those victims
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Aug 24, 2018 14:52
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This seems like a good time to remind everyone that therapy is good and everyone should get it.
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Aug 24, 2018 14:57
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mastershakeman posted:I think the hardest job in the world has to be coroner. Imagine doing autopsies on all those victims Yeah but if you get a job in forensic pathology or as a medical examiner it's because you have a broken brain and enjoy it I think
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mastershakeman posted:You might be your mother's father ? Living up to Floridaman stereotypes I was replying to HDD. Jewish heritage is matrilineal, right? I guess that would mean my grandpa really doesn't matter, though. Nice piece of fish posted:Had a juvenile attempted murder/rape case where I filed for state compensation to victims of violence and abuse on behalf of the very young victim and the family where I had to in detail describe the sequence of events, submit the forensic medical findings and criminal case documents with illustrations and based on that recommend and justify a [size] claim from case law. Probably the closest I've come so far to just say gently caress it and work a loving cash register job instead. People that do forensics regarding child pornography have to view and catalog photos/videos from seized machines. The people that do this are only on the job for a limited time period and then pulled off because it's loving horrific.
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Aug 24, 2018 15:17
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Phil Moscowitz posted:Yeah but if you get a job in forensic pathology or as a medical examiner it's because you have a broken brain and enjoy it I think Ya they generally don't even see the bodies as former people.
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Aug 24, 2018 15:19
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Exactly. People who deal with material hazardous to the body as a part of their job are given equipment that helps protect them. People dealing with things such as rapes and murders that are hazardous to mental health should get therapy to help protect them. I'm not familiar with employment law, is there any case law about workers compensation claims arising from mental illness caused by exposure to these things?
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Mr. Nice! posted:People that do forensics regarding child pornography have to view and catalog photos/videos from seized machines. The people that do this are only on the job for a limited time period and then pulled off because it's loving horrific. One of the last criminal defense cases I ever handled I had to do this and uh, that was pretty much it for me as far as interest in criminal defense (after almost every job I had in law school being federal public defense and working in the criminal clinic). In case it's not clear, someone on the defense team has to actually put their eyes on the government's evidence in order to know exactly what we're dealing with, and that someone naturally was 1st year me. Watching that poo poo on a government computer in the DA's office with three sheriff deputies glaring at me was quite the experience. Even more fun going to talk to the client afterward.
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Aug 24, 2018 15:28
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Nooooo fuckin thank you
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blarzgh posted:Nooooo fuckin thank you Same. Just realized something earlier. I've been unemployed more than 6 months this year. That means I'm a couple of grand or more in refundable federal tax credits for any private employer that wants to hire me. I don't think I can put that in my resume, but that seems like something I could put in a cover letter.
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Pictures are just data. Process what you need and leave the rest. Cross examining child victims of sex crimes isn't fun. Having client B tell you that several years previously he set up client A on a child sex case (and who got 25 years) and not being able to do anything about it isn't fun.
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joat mon posted:Pictures are just data. Process what you need and leave the rest. This is the point where I’d throw away my license and report.
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joat mon posted:Pictures are just data. Process what you need and leave the rest. I saw a case against the creepy uncle who molested his niece where the adorable 5-year old victim took the stand, was asked a question, thought about it and said "I don't really remember because I was only 4!" while holding up 4 fingers. Judge could have just skipped right to Sentencing because there is no loving way you're getting acquitted after that.
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Mr. Nice! posted:This made me laugh. Thanks, SV. Welcome back. Nice piece of fish posted:You are my hero.  tho I'm p. sure I'm getting fired or branded as a nazi if anything like that happens again Hoshi posted:This seems like a good time to remind everyone that therapy is good and everyone should get it. word Soothing Vapors fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Aug 24, 2018 |
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To be honest, acquittals don’t bother me. I had one in a stabbing murder where the guy was guilty as gently caress. But our best evidence. Like the fact he had already done time for 3 other stabbings. Or was 100% affiliated with the Victim’s rival drug group Was obviously not admissible. Frustrating? Yeah. But my burden is my burden and the jury felt I didn’t meet it. As long as I got in all the admissible evidence, and didn’t commit error, my job is done and it’s out of my hands. CP is the worst. First time I had to view was in the Navy. I’m not ashamed to admit I puked.
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I wouldn't be able to do criminal anything and thank gently caress you're not allowed to practice criminal law unless you've passed the bar. This is a legit reason to not pass bar and have a valid reason to run the gently caress away from criminal cases. Well, that, and the peculiarities of criminal investigation and trial procedures and processes in the former USSR
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Hoshi posted:This seems like a good time to remind everyone that therapy is good and everyone should get it. I've been to therapy, I was told I was basically sane but that my job was killing me with anxiety and I should quit immediately because no medication or therapy would help as much as a different job. This was last year.
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Having a cabin in the Nordic woods is p cool therapy.
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Aug 24, 2018 18:17
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These recent posts remind me that I'm so glad I never have to look at descriptions of child porn or sex assault photos ever again. I'm happy looking at millions of insurance/banking documents over and over again.
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Criminal law is the only law that makes me feel like I'm making a difference and the thing I'm working on matters.
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Phil Moscowitz posted:Yeah but if you get a job in forensic pathology or as a medical examiner it's because you have a broken brain and enjoy it I think Nah, it's way easier because it means some of the time you don't have to ask.
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Soothing Vapors posted:We mock mercilessly out of love. I will delete this post so you can never quote me on it, but sometimes you do good work, and I'm sure he and his family appreciated it I think somebody just bought themselves a custom redtext.
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Discendo Vox posted:Nah, it's way easier because it means some of the time you don't have to ask. Is this a necrophilia joke?
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