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WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
https://twitter.com/jhal9000/status/1035747294132428800?s=19

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Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
maybe the antifa is the same as the nazis people have something going here

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Epic High Five posted:

hey folks im reading A River in Darkness and it kinda sucks big league

I'm not like gonna throw a parade to defend how people probably live in the DPRK but the author seems to conveniently ignore that market capitalism made him a refugee and communists saved him, all while hitting every single point that every Bill O'Reilly capitalist culture warrior rants about one after the other, in chronological order

I also cannot find any info on either the book or the author, except from right wing news sites and review aggregators (which are next to useless for politically charged books)

what gives? is this guy still a super secret dude or is it all probably made up or embellished and nobody wants to admit it?

someobody anaswer this goddamnit, I'm reading it out of stupd moron obsitancncy

noboy give a poo poo if your weird obfusacations are antifa approved because we're all gay and stupid asnyway ANSWER MY QUESTIONS

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
would you love me on the subway?
would you love me on the bus?

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



GalacticAcid posted:

would you love me on the subway?
would you love me on the bus?

ytes

Impermanent
Apr 1, 2010

Epic High Five posted:


what gives? is this guy still a super secret dude or is it all probably made up or embellished and nobody wants to admit it?

yes it's all made up and/or wildly embellished. South Korea and the CIA have famously offered hundreds of thousands of dollars for people to come forward and tell stories about what things are "really like" in north korea. This book exists in a long tradition of things people make up about north korea. There are several stories about how everyone is made to have the leader's haircut and several about how no one is allowed to have his haircut. etc. etc.

You should always be thinking "how is it that this book came to be popular in the west, and for whose benefit does it say these things?" Especially in light of the libs' manic fixation on reigniting the korean war (and their love of a mass-murderer of the veitnamese that is so obvious this week) we should be aware of how and why the will to war is ginned up in a population, and it's through propaganda like this.

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Impermanent posted:

yes it's all made up and/or wildly embellished. South Korea and the CIA have famously offered hundreds of thousands of dollars for people to come forward and tell stories about what things are "really like" in north korea. This book exists in a long tradition of things people make up about north korea. There are several stories about how everyone is made to have the leader's haircut and several about how no one is allowed to have his haircut. etc. etc.

You should always be thinking "how is it that this book came to be popular in the west, and for whose benefit does it say these things?" Especially in light of the libs' manic fixation on reigniting the korean war (and their love of a mass-murderer of the veitnamese that is so obvious this week) we should be aware of how and why the will to war is ginned up in a population, and it's through propaganda like this.

this is my own appraoch to the situatin, that it's an obvious scripted rear end lovely book designed to grease the path to extended hell war with ideological enemies

is this why I'm unable to find even the tiniest bit of info on anything about hte author or his life or anything even tangential to it? Because my inability to do so tells me that it was all entirely made up and that my reading of "Nothing to Envy" should mainain itself as the onlyt thing grounded in realit

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.
https://mobile.twitter.com/drimcalban/status/1035753898382774272

https://mobile.twitter.com/drimcalban/status/1035757984532451329

https://mobile.twitter.com/drimcalban/status/1035758664953389056

Algund Eenboom
May 4, 2014

Lmao, someone on this very forum was praising the us army image

Algund Eenboom
May 4, 2014

Crowsbeak posted:

Hey, just saw this posted on twitter.


Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES

ahahaha

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Is t-mac beria

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Bill Clinton

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

gradenko_2000 posted:

Bill Clinton

Jesus. Beria never raped that many people.

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Podesta

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
the trotskyists #resistance at it again huh

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5IpBFXcIYA

Top City Homo fucked around with this message at 04:30 on Sep 2, 2018

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 25 days!)

https://twitter.com/henrykrinkie/status/1036372526845308930?s=21

Hilario Baldness
Feb 10, 2005

:buddy:



Grimey Drawer
Quickly read 'Trotsky's Marxism' by Duncan Hallas.

I see some value in Trotsky's thought, if not his actions. I do see the history of Trotskyist movements as a history of fedora wearers to wear out and splinter actual political movements.

MizPiz
May 29, 2013

by Athanatos

Nestor Makhno was Jill Stein

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/DeathToAmerikkk/status/1036383903777349632

apropos to nothing
Sep 5, 2003

i love the chairman gonzalo brand of maoists who go on and on about how they are going to murder everyone that disagrees with them while online or wearing a mask. meanwhile every one of them ive ever met has been a 100 pound white boy who couldnt throw a punch to save his life

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 25 days!)

Ok but what if he's right about Alex De Jong anyway?

apropos to nothing
Sep 5, 2003
I dont know poo poo about who alex de jong is but the NPA has openly admitted to assassinating its political enemies, including some of its former leadership like romulo kintanar. also prior to duterte turning on them, the NPA was happy to go along extra-judicially murdering "drug lords" with duterte's blessing.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 25 days!)

Wow, I didn't know people would get killed in this here peoples' war

apropos to nothing
Sep 5, 2003

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Wow, I didn't know people would get killed in this here peoples' war

lol ok. good luck to you and the rest of the red guards in waging your unremitting war against other socialists

apropos to nothing
Sep 5, 2003
obviously in a protracted peoples war, many people will die. what you may not have realized is that virtually all of those that we must kill are actually labor and native rights organizers and even some of our former leaders!

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

BULBASAUR posted:

Can someone explain to a pleb why Trot is bad?

He defied Stalin who was perfect in every way

Impermanent
Apr 1, 2010

apropos to nothing posted:

obviously in a protracted peoples war, many people will die. what you may not have realized is that virtually all of those that we must kill are actually labor and native rights organizers and even some of our former leaders!

this is a complete fabrication of what the NPA is and has done and it sickens me to see someone whose idea of socialism is chanting kshama sawant three times before they go to bed every night poo poo on one of the only active communist rebellions in the world - that your country directly contributes to the oppression of, no less.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 25 days!)

apropos to nothing posted:

lol ok. good luck to you and the rest of the red guards in waging your unremitting war against other socialists


apropos to nothing posted:

obviously in a protracted peoples war, many people will die. what you may not have realized is that virtually all of those that we must kill are actually labor and native rights organizers and even some of our former leaders!

You're being extremely hyperbolic about the NPA's targeted assassinations of oppositional left wing activists. They are certainly bad and highly questionable, but that doesn't mean the war with the Philippine governement is any less real, or that they are somehow only killing other leftists. The CPP has been fighting a guerilla war for over 40 years.

apropos to nothing
Sep 5, 2003

Impermanent posted:

this is a complete fabrication of what the NPA is and has done and it sickens me to see someone whose idea of socialism is chanting kshama sawant three times before they go to bed every night poo poo on one of the only active communist rebellions in the world - that your country directly contributes to the oppression of, no less.

the NPA pretty openly admits to engaging in kidnapping and assassinating political enemies, including former members. if you support that, well good luck to you. I personally dont see that as a particularly compelling means to win the support of the phillipino working class and im not sure how anyone could call themselves a "lenninist" and think otherwise seeing as how that kinda poo poo is pretty much solely the domain of 19th and 20th century anarchists and it failed them spectacularly

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 25 days!)

apropos to nothing posted:

I personally dont see that as a particularly compelling means to win the support of the phillipino working class

The CPP literally leads the National Democratic Front in coalition with other left wing and revolutionary groups.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
The First Great Rectification was in 1965, and was when JoMa Sison reformed the CPP into a Maoist party.

The Second Great Rectification was in the 90s, and is largely what's referred to when making references to how the NPA has killed/assassinated "other fellow leftists". I don't really know enough about these ruptures besides what's on these wiki pages - the history of the CPP that I have cuts off just before the First Great Rectification. Robert Francis Garcia's "To Suffer Thy Comrade" supposedly covers this, but I haven't been able to find a copy.

Jacobin's Denis Rogatyuk did get to interview Sison, and this is actually the piece that Alex De Jong's was "in response" to. Sison's answers in that interview cover most of the CPP-NPA-NDF's relationship with Duterte: Duterte cooperated (read: bribed) the NPA to not cause too much trouble in Davao when he was Mayor, and he made further cooperation with the CPP a minor campaign plank, and he tried to fulfill this as far as appointing a couple of NDF-approved cabinet members (before Congress sunk their confirmation hearings), and there were attempts at peace talks (of dubious sincerity).

The liberal opposition tends to paint these actions as "the CPP-NPA were willing to sell-out their principles and work with a madman in their lust for power", though I suppose that that could at least be downgraded to "they took Duterte at his word when they shouldn't have".

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

The CPP literally leads the National Democratic Front in coalition with other left wing and revolutionary groups.

And you're saying the assassinations helped them get there?

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 25 days!)

they apparently haven’t hurt.

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
splitting the party into mutually hostile powerblocks is always a good idea. expelling the revisionists and shooting them in the head is the way to go if we wanna have a unified socialist movement without any internal conflicts whatsoever

A Big Fuckin Hornet
Nov 1, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo

Kurnugia posted:

splitting the party into mutually hostile powerblocks is always a good idea. expelling the revisionists and shooting them in the head is the way to go if we wanna have a unified socialist movement without any internal conflicts whatsoever

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

lmao ok

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Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

they apparently haven’t hurt.

Gotta break a few eggs, etc

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