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I'm still on PuTTy exclusively, but I also work from home, and have endured multiple periods where either my internet connection or the company's VPN were subject to drops. My PuTTy sessions are just to get me to GNU screen (I'm too lazy to learn tmux) and then screen does my session management, logging, etc.
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Antioch posted:Vi. Nano is a crutch. don't @ me
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abigserve posted:i swapped off of vim after several years using it and while it took a lot of convincing at the time it was so worth it Because nobody could remember how to close it?  When I was in school we were taught how to use Putty to SSH into the Fedora lab machines / submissions folder. Although that was probably to keep it simple. I presume Methanar would be going easier on someone in a junior / entry level position, since that’s the one everyone learns first. Doesn’t Powershell have right-click to paste by default? Or am I thinking of something else? I remember getting thrown off in some terminal because of that.
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I use mRemoteNG for everything windows and Cisco. I can use putty but it’s basically once when I’m on a box and I need to connect quick to something.
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GreenNight posted:I use mRemoteNG for everything windows and Cisco. I can use putty but it’s basically once when I’m on a box and I need to connect quick to something. IIRC you can integrate putty into mRemoteNG
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Yeah that’s how I go to Cisco command line sessions. It uses putty in the backend. It works pretty great tbh.
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Sep 16, 2018 17:08
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People are weird about who they license their OS through. That kind of brand loyalty is just weird.
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i open a lot of ssh sessions, and use putty. I used securecrt back in the day but would rather just use putty now. I don't even like the tabbed putty sessions. edit: you might say I have binders full of ssh sessions.
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Methanar posted:Putty isn't even a shell terminal. Its not even openSSH, so you can't do things with an ssh config file, like set a periodic ping so weird firewall rules don't boot you for inactivity after 60 seconds. This? 
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I had literally no idea there were so many drat terminal emulators and text editors. I've been doing IT stuff - Windows, Linux, Virtualization with some limited Networking and Storage. Yet, I've never gone beyond, - VIM - Putty - Notepad - Notepad++ - Visual Studio Code (This has largely replaced Notepad++) - Powershell ISE (Trying to force myself to use VS Code) - Windows Bash (Linux Subsystem)
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Tab8715 posted:I had literally no idea there were so many drat terminal emulators and text editors. I've been doing IT stuff - Windows, Linux, Virtualization with some limited Networking and Storage. Yet, I've never gone beyond, Try out Atom for windows text editing. It has plugins for many programming languages and integrates with git.
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Do not recommend Atom as an alternative to VS Code. They are both electron based text editors inspired by Sublime, and VS code is better in every way.
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Does VS Code have the Live Server add on for web dev stuff that Atom does? Because that’s a cool package.
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This discussion has been illuminating if only because it sheds some light on why my co-workers snicker sarcastically when they see me using PuTTY. At least it sort of does, the reasons still seem a little nebulous and the disdain seems a bit unjustified.
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22 Eargesplitten posted:Does VS Code have the Live Server add on for web dev stuff that Atom does? Because that’s a cool package. https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=ritwickdey.LiveServer I've never used it before though. You can get similar functionality out of nodejs + express + webpack, so that's what I've done.
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The Fool posted:Do not recommend Atom as an alternative to VS Code. They are both electron based text editors inspired by Sublime, and VS code is better in every way. I switched from Atom to VS Code because after an update Atom kept locking my git repos which made me have to quit Atom before I could do a push. Got tired of that realy quick (2-3 days max), switched to Code and never looked back. It seems less bloated and faster than Atom too.
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Xshell is free for home use https://www.netsarang.com/products/xsh_overview.html
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cheque_some posted:This discussion has been illuminating if only because it sheds some light on why my co-workers snicker sarcastically when they see me using PuTTY. At least it sort of does, the reasons still seem a little nebulous and the disdain seems a bit unjustified. Agreed. It's like arguing over iPhones vs. Android or Linux vs. Mac vs. Windows.
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Android. Windows. There is always a correct answer. Fight me.
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:Android. Windows. Let's box. I have a ring, but you need to fly out here yourself and pay me a $10k fee for the privilege.
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Putty is fine. Skip word fwd back not working is because your remote’s terminal setup is fucky. Select to copy right click to paste is like classic xterm behavior, also changeable. Tabs/splits/mirror inputs should be done in tmux. Saved profiles and pageant do most of what a .ssh/config gets you. If you’re in console world 40 hrs a week ok sure invest the time, but moba’s porky cygwin lipstick and securecrt is for terminally nostalgic mirc fans. Where the real hipsters here? Where’s the opengl-based terminal fans? Where are the twitchy cmder nerds?
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The real correct ssh client is Prompt.
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PCjr sidecar posted:The real correct ssh client is Prompt. You mean ansible
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hot take: arguing about text editors / basic client software proves that you've got as far in your career as to have experienced why one might be good, but not as far as to have been forced to use multiple of them and become indifferent to them simply as tools and start worrying about bigger poo poo like, what is your fav. desktop theme
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jaegerx posted:You mean ansible My preferred orchestration platform is ms teams.
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Eletriarnation posted:MobaXterm is new to me and looks very interesting, I'll have to try it out. (e: the free tier limits you to 12 sessions? ick) Yeah, it's a good program and if I spent more time on the command line I'd definitely get work to buy it. 70 bucks isn't a lot but: you know?
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PCjr sidecar posted:Putty is fine. Skip word fwd back not working is because your remote’s terminal setup is fucky. Select to copy right click to paste is like classic xterm behavior, also changeable. Tabs/splits/mirror inputs should be done in tmux. Saved profiles and pageant do most of what a .ssh/config gets you. So many words, What's tmux, xterm, moba and cygwin?
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abigserve posted:someone that relies on terminal emulator QoL things to do their work is probably loving up somewhere is my spicy hot take even the netengs can push everything through ansible 
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Tab8715 posted:So many words, tmux is a persistent session multiplexer, a slightly more modern gnu screen. xterm is an XWindows terminal emulator, the first (?) X based terminal emulator. moba is mobaxterm, previously mentioned. cygwin is the pre wsl way to get unix tools on Windows.
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Methanar posted:Working for a video game company is probably the worst thing you could do to yourself.  My experience so far has been pretty cool. Getting 2 raises each year.
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dox posted:even the netengs can push everything through ansible This is absolute nonsense. I like automation as much as the next guy but sometimes you need to dig into a switch and find out why something is happening. You can't automate troubleshooting.
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Sniep posted:what is your fav. desktop theme Hot dog stand.
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guppy posted:You can't automate troubleshooting. Cisco begs to differ and wants you on the DNA hypetrain.
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guppy posted:This is absolute nonsense. I like automation as much as the next guy but sometimes you need to dig into a switch and find out why something is happening. You can't automate troubleshooting. In the context of that discussion the difference is that instead of having 10+ terminal windows each open to a different router, or the same amount of background jobs or whatever you run a playbook to gather the information you need from aaaall of it in a predictable and reproducible manner. It's a bit of ~the dream~ and I've found that the times I need to do that is vastly eclipsed by the amount of times I need to logon to like, one box, but the concept is there
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guppy posted:You can't automate troubleshooting.
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adorai posted:Self healing AI code driven by analytics and synergized with industry leading quantum computing concepts. Bingo, sir.
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Sniep posted:hot take: arguing about text editors / basic client software proves that you've got as far in your career as to have experienced why one might be good, but not as far as to have been forced to use multiple of them and become indifferent to them simply as tools and start worrying about bigger poo poo like, what is your fav. desktop theme This is so true. When you've cut your teeth on old Solaris on Kongsberg controllers using a loving waterproof rubber keyboard (yay navy), and Lockheed Martin's abomination of HP-UX on the AEGIS computers, the discussion of Putty vs SecureCRT or vim vs emacs gets kinda silly. All roads lead to Rome, just because a certain toolset and way of doing things works for you doesn't mean its the One True Way. I use Putty, screen and vim. Flame away 
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Any health stats you get from ansible should already be sent to a log aggregator configured to proactively alert you on problems. Running a script on service degradation to collect base troubleshooting information is backwards as hell.
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adorai posted:Self healing AI code driven by analytics and synergized with industry leading quantum computing concepts. Can we hyperconverge it into a cloud-based containerized workflow? Wibla posted:I use Putty, screen and vim. Flame away PuTTYTray, screen, and nano here 
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guppy posted:This is absolute nonsense. I like automation as much as the next guy but sometimes you need to dig into a switch and find out why something is happening. You can't automate troubleshooting. That and proof of concepts. I usually do a manual install and figure out how stuff works before automating it.
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