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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:michelle alexander is out with her first column today https://twitter.com/nytopinion/status/1043187232599879680?s=20
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Sep 22, 2018 17:11
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Literally suppressing the only thing people think the NYT is good for, lmao.
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Sep 22, 2018 17:13
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He's right. Their homepage used to be a lot more like a newspaper design, with really clear story hierarchy through headline and photo size. They made a few small tweaks and trashed their great homepage. It's just a big pile of equal-sized story tiles with tiny headlines now. And that ad space at the top is loving atrocious.
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https://twitter.com/realshawnbrandt/status/1043142053616599042 https://twitter.com/realshawnbrandt/status/1043142056435167232 https://twitter.com/realshawnbrandt/status/1043142061464186881
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SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:You so full of poo poo. He's not "probably right". Your own quote says how nothing has leaked from the investigation's side yet but Greenwald is also ignoring that direct collusion between Trump and Russia was never the only cause of the investigation. Greenwald ignores this because he thinks allegations of direct collusion are easier to dismiss. This is one way Greenwald goes easy on trump. Saying that's just, like, his opinion man, doesn't change any of thise. Uh, direct collusion between Trump and Russia was always the cause of the investigation, and anything that Mueller investigates must be something they found out while investigating that collusion, specifically. I don't know the particular relevance here of that bit of information, but the order that created the investigation is here: https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/967231/download quote:any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation Again, I don't know the relevance of that part to discussing Greenwald. As for "opinion," "Mueller has something but has been good about preventing leaks" is just as based on facts as "if Mueller had found something it would have leaked by now." Which is all that this Greenwald derangement syndrome is, at the end of the day. The guy has a different opinion than the liberal establishment, and since this is also the guy who ruined any illusion of democrats caring about civil or human rights, he must be motivated by some Russia kompromat or whatever bullshit people come up with.
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just a reminder that mueller is an iraq war propagandist and so was the failing new york times
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Sep 22, 2018 19:16
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comedyblissoption posted:just a reminder that mueller is an iraq war propagandist really glad we looked forward and not backwards on the mass slaughter of a civilian population Reddit dot cum /r/The_Mueller has over 120,000 subscribers lmfao we are a devil nation
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Sep 22, 2018 19:20
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Taintrunner posted:really glad we looked forward and not backwards on the mass slaughter of a civilian population The absolute hollering hilarity of it all is that much of that 120k are bots, because it's Reddit, and that's how Reddit is.
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Sep 22, 2018 19:32
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look at this:  that is a lot of space for the editorials also edit to remind Pener that it's
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Victory Position posted:also edit to remind Pener that it's I must be missing some key context because I'm not sure what you mean. What's Bricolage? Some place in New York? I don't get it.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I must be missing some key context because I'm not sure what you mean. What's Bricolage? Some place in New York? I don't get it. http://bricolagecms.org/
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joepinetree posted:Uh, direct collusion between Trump and Russia was always the cause of the investigation, and anything that Mueller investigates must be something they found out while investigating that collusion, specifically. I don't know the particular relevance here of that bit of information, but the order that created the investigation is here: This is purely from my hazy memory of Woodward’s book, but iirc the special council actually has wide ranging powers that let them go down whatever rabbit holes they please. Like that document says, they’re investigating 1) possible collusion between the campaign and Russia 2) “any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation” As it says, those matters only have to ARISE as a direct part of the investigation, at which point they can be pursued at the discretion of the special council. Matters such as Trump’s finances and Kushner’s foreign land dealings, his campaign staff’s broad criminality and treasonous activity, ect. Manafort, for example, was charged with money laundering and bank fraud, federal crimes that have nothing to do with Trump’s 2016 campaign, but arose as part of investigating it. There’s a legitimate arguement that special councils have too broad of powers, but the wider scope is what will allow Obstruction of Justice and similar charges. They’re not going to get him on collusion. Edit: I misread your post, didn’t see you were talking about the CAUSE of the investigation more so than Mueller’s powers. Egg on my face, carry on Trumps Baby Hands has issued a correction as of 00:44 on Sep 23, 2018 |
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So can anybody stomach reading what Hilary Clinton wrote in the Atlantic
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Nebakenezzer posted:So can anybody stomach reading what Hilary Clinton wrote in the Atlantic I'm dumb enough to take a hit for the team, brb.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I'm dumb enough to take a hit for the team, brb. OK, so it's basically a laundry list of everything you've already heard from Resistocrats and she brings nothing new to the table except these hamfisted references to the Founding Fathers being principled and bipartisan. It's all so boring and revised that nothing stands out worth quoting - except for one part. quote:Think of our body politic like a human body, with our constitutional checks and balances, democratic norms and institutions, and well-informed citizenry all acting as an immune system protecting us from the disease of authoritarianism. Over many years, our defenses were worn down by a small group of right-wing billionaires—people like the Mercer family and Charles and David Koch—who spent a lot of time and money building an alternative reality where science is denied, lies masquerade as truth, and paranoia flourishes. By undermining the common factual framework that allows a free people to deliberate together and make the important decisions of self-governance, they opened the way for the infection of Russian propaganda and Trumpian lies to take hold. They've used their money and influence to capture our political system, impose a right-wing agenda, and disenfranchise millions of Americans. Likening politics to the body is a fascist sentimentality, as is the notion that it's a particular degenerate element (right wing billionaires) that is making the body politic sick. It's not capitalism itself that is hostile to democracy, but "predatory capitalism," even though it was her husband's administration that did so many deregulations itself and ushered in the triumph of neoliberal politics in the Democratic party. Capitalism made those people billionaires, period. They were empowered by capitalism to do all the things she thinks are toxic to society.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:It's not capitalism itself that is hostile to democracy, but "predatory capitalism," This is exactly the same as the libertarian "crony capitalism" bullshit.
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WampaLord posted:This is exactly the same as the libertarian "crony capitalism" bullshit. Yeah the lib gameplan seems to just be appropriating right wing talking points and giving them a humanitarian spin.
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Sep 23, 2018 02:04
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“more money for us, gently caress you” vs “more money for us and we’ll make it easier to ignore the suffering of the underclass, but also gently caress you”
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I'm dumb enough to take a hit for the team, brb. Thank you, service guarantees anger Asking Hilary Clinton about the state of modern American politics is like - asking Donald Trump why the White House is such a mess Not only do they have no idea, they are incapable of understanding how much they are actually the problem
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joepinetree posted:Uh, direct collusion between Trump and Russia was always the cause of the investigation, and anything that Mueller investigates must be something they found out while investigating that collusion, specifically. I don't know the particular relevance here of that bit of information, but the order that created the investigation is here: More bullshit. None of the charges brought from the investigation (cohen, manafort, flynn, papadopalous, that weird bald guy who's name I forget) have leaked before happening. That's no opinion.
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SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:More bullshit. None of the charges brought from the investigation (cohen, manafort, flynn, papadopalous, that weird bald guy who's name I forget) have leaked before happening. That's no opinion. "Therefore, he must have something else that hasn't leaked yet" is entirely opinion. Not to mention that you are full of poo poo. Rick Gates' plea deal leaked, Flynn's charges leaked, that Mueller had enough evidence against Manafort and was looking for his cooperation leaked, the list of questions that Mueller wanted to ask of Trump leaked. Just like we know that Mueller is investigating Trump for obstruction of justice. This is the most boring bullshit. It's like a game of whackamole with easily disproven idiocy. At least you didn't insist on the "cause of the investigation" bullshit.
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speaking of the mueller investigation and the failing new york times remember when the failing new york times ran a story that said that the fbi guy who helped trump fire comey said that he wanted to remove trump as president and the source was a guy who was not at the meeting but heard about a memo (had not even claimed to have read it) that described what happened at the meeting
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joepinetree posted:"Therefore, he must have something else that hasn't leaked yet" is entirely opinion. Not to mention that you are full of poo poo. Rick Gates' plea deal leaked, Flynn's charges leaked, that Mueller had enough evidence against Manafort and was looking for his cooperation leaked, the list of questions that Mueller wanted to ask of Trump leaked. Just like we know that Mueller is investigating Trump for obstruction of justice. yeah alright SMILLENNIALSMILLEN has issued a correction as of 09:25 on Sep 23, 2018 |
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https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1043571908044906498
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Sep 23, 2018 16:43
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There is no path to socialism in the US through the ballot box.
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Interesting that a centrist institution is now interested in portraying self-declared socialists as LESS radical than they are.
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i mean, this is a preferable message to, "the dsa is full of white bernie bros who want to roll back minority rights in the name of class warfare" that was popular in 2016, or "the dsa candidate is a secret catholic gypsy appropriating jewish culture" from a few weeks ago, or even the "socialist looks good in a photoshoot, she must have wasted tons of money on clothes according to tpusa and my billionaire playboy friend"
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also you can have a democratic revolution, it's happened before even!
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Interesting that a centrist institution is now interested in portraying self-declared socialists as LESS radical than they are. it's an attempt to deradicalize they're realizing that the rise in socialists' popularity can't be stopped, and are trying to drag the movement down by convincing the left-curious that the socialists are just outspoken liberals kind of like how every real protest movement gets mobbed by liberal talking heads talking about how real protest is always nonviolent and nondisruptive
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nyt also had an article when the evil dhs lady was protested in a restaurant where they identified dsa as a "liberal group"
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solidarity with the anti-revisionist new york times
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Shear Modulus posted:nyt also had an article when the evil dhs lady was protested in a restaurant where they identified dsa as a "liberal group" They’re right
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StashAugustine posted:solidarity with the anti-revisionist new york times GalacticAcid posted:They’re right
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didn't read but that's a good photo so i'll consider it a win
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joepinetree posted:This is the most boring bullshit. It's like a game of whackamole with easily disproven idiocy. lol this is the perfect analogy. My experience with arguments like this consists of constantly seeing points that I remember having already seen disproved, but not wanting to go through the effort of looking them up and citing them again (and not remembering the specific details of the debunking off the top of my head, because I have a bad memory). The same things just keep coming up over and over again.
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I'm pretty sure that's the definition, that Democratic Socialists eschew the idea of the revolutionary vanguard and the dictatorship of the proletariat in favor of mass mobilization and democratic referendums
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