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Zudgemud
Mar 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer

evil_bunnY posted:

My dude have you talked to a swedish hunter at all, ever? They're loving obsessed with the things.

Odd, because that's not my experience at all. Though admittedly I have not talked to people who identify themselves as hunters and who live for the hobby, only people who occasionally hunt as recreation once or twice a year (and then mainly deer size and below), nor have I hunted myself. So I'm open for wolf hating being more common among other, more hardcore, hunters.

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evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

Yeah that’ll do it. Most of my bougie colleagues who hunt once or twice a year DGAF but the one guy who’s all about that life better not hear about them or his entire day is ruined.

Katt
Nov 14, 2017

Our local hunters told the cops to get hosed when it came to tracking and killing wounded animals after traffic accidents, as a way to demonstrate against wolf policy. And now that their licences are being renewed at a glacial pace they're all surprised :v:

You had one job guys. This one thing that guns were good for.

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

To be fair licensing is glacially slow for everyone, they're not specifically making GBS threads on those guys.

It's about 4-5 months wait for a gun license in Stockholm right now. I'm told this is because they are literally three people working on permits in the entire Stockholm region, and they handle ALL permits, not just gun licenses.

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

Pyromaniac Ida posted:

Our local hunters told the cops to get hosed when it came to tracking and killing wounded animals after traffic accidents, as a way to demonstrate against wolf policy. And now that their licences are being renewed at a glacial pace they're all surprised :v:

You had one job guys. This one thing that guns were good for.
LMAO

Dirk Pitt
Sep 14, 2007

haha yes, this feels good

Toilet Rascal
Hell World 2018 is happening

quote:

The speaker of Sweden's parliament said on Tuesday that he had given the leader of the conservative Moderate party, Ulf Kristersson, a mandate to explore whether he can form a new government within the next fortnight.

Acknowledging that it will be extremly difficult, Ulf Kristersson said that he "would do everything in his power to form a government of the centre-right Alliance."

Speaker Andreas Norlén announced that he had given the Moderate party leader his mandate after holding a second round of talks with the leaders of the eight parties in parliament.

Norlén explained his decision by saying that, although Stefan Löfven of the Social Democrats represents the biggest party of the biggest traditional block in parliament, Kristersson is part of the 'bigger group' in parliament that last week voted against Löfven continuing as prime minister. Norlén said that 'there is a logic to give the person who has ousted a government the chance to try to take over'.

The anti-immigration Sweden Democrats, with 62 seats, have said they will not support an Alliance or a centre-left government without gaining influence over policy.

M+KD all the way.

What I find absolutely astounding is that the leader of the biggest party and the biggest bloc wasn't asked to try and form a government. Are L+C voters paying attention to this?

Dirk Pitt fucked around with this message at 07:12 on Oct 3, 2018

Wild Horses
Oct 31, 2012

There's really no meaning in making beetles fight.
Its good. gently caress S.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Dirk Pitt posted:

Hell World 2018 is happening


M+KD all the way.

What I find absolutely astounding is that the leader of the biggest party and the biggest bloc wasn't asked to try and form a government. Are L+C voters paying attention to this?

I don't think anyone is surprised that the M politician who got voted in to nominate Ulf nominated Ulf.

zokie
Feb 13, 2006

Out of many, Sweden
Also it would be a pretty huge gently caress you to a Riksdag who just voted Lövfen out to nominate him. They just voted that they didn't want him, so it makes the most sense to let some other people fail before giving him the chance.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

TW: Nazi, racist, racists, dumb, fascists

Hey, guys, what's going on this Kristallnacht?

https://redox.dk/nyheder/hoejreradikale-kupper-mindedag-vil-marchere-paa-krystalnatten

Oh, right, it's the nazi-positive organisation founded by the DF dude who has interesting theories about IQ and the Middle Eastern genepool and believes Obama is a cryptomuslim, co-opting the memorial for victims of nazi persecution.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

Somebody stole 111+ million kroner from the Social Affairs Ministry over 16 years without anyone noticing.

https://politiken.dk/indland/art6759391/Mai-Mercado-om-omfattende-svindel-Det-er-gement-tyveri-fra-de-svageste

Wild Horses
Oct 31, 2012

There's really no meaning in making beetles fight.
it was me

Potrzebie
Apr 6, 2010

I may not know what I'm talking about, but I sure love cops! ^^ Boy, but that boot is just yummy!
Lipstick Apathy
lol, Kristersson is such a sore rear end in a top hat loser.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Yes for the love of god please stall for another week instead of just letting this go to a goddamn vote. :suicide:

Dejawesp
Jan 8, 2017

You have to follow the beat!
Did Sweden have a re-election yet?

Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer
Nope, still in parliamentary limbo as politicians take turns proving that yes, there is no viable coalition/combination of egos out there.

zokie
Feb 13, 2006

Out of many, Sweden
So, Uffe is not going to be statsminister. What's next, Löfven? I guess L or C could deal with him if Uffes brinkmanship pisses them of, but I doubt it.

4 more years like the ones we just had with DÖ-2? Since no one is going to cave it's either that or nyval, both of which is going to make Alliansen pretty foolish. Holy poo poo is S going to hammer ansvar

Katt
Nov 14, 2017

zokie posted:

So, Uffe is not going to be statsminister.

But the monkey paw is supposed to grant all wishes and this is what he asked for.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

If he keeps stalling then everyone will make him prime minister just to see something, anything, happen.

zokie
Feb 13, 2006

Out of many, Sweden
It's pretty funny that he thinks he can do a Reinfeldt, wasn't that SDs first term in the Riksdag? Also alliansen was still the largest block.

To be honest I don't understand why they deposed Löfven if they're not going to actively collaborate with SD. And I really don't think SD is going to settle for anything less than actual influence.

BigglesSWE
Dec 2, 2014

How 'bout them hawks news huh!
Disposing Stefan was a matter of principle: Twitterchuds hate him and he's just so ugly and non-handsome, can't have that in politics now can we?!

SD with influence is a double-edged sword...on the one hand, it'd be a absolute disaster for everything I consider important in a wellfunctioning state; on the other, SD would no longer be able to claim innocence when their policies gobble the country from the inside out. "Jag vet faktiskt inte" can only take you so far, Jimmie.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

zokie posted:

To be honest I don't understand why they deposed Löfven if they're not going to actively collaborate with SD. And I really don't think SD is going to settle for anything less than actual influence.

Ulfs career is dead if he can't become prime minister. That's really all there is to it.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

BigglesSWE posted:

SD would no longer be able to claim innocence when their policies gobble the country from the inside out.

Somehow that hasn't happened with DF and I doubt it'll be the case with SD. As long as they get to gently caress over immigrants and refugees, their voters will be happy.

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

part of the Thing with modern populism is that you don't really need to deliver much substantive change to the lives of the people who voted for you so long as you're seen to aggressively promote the discourse in which they're interested

so you get stuff like FrP effectively abandoning their whole economic policy where it doesn't overlap with H while getting no major change in the asylum system and continually making GBS threads themselves on law and order... and remaining quite level

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

what these parties actually do doesn't matter much, so long as they're still the only party willing to represent certain segments of the population and don't 'betray the principles' by e.g. making conciliatory noises towards the darkies

this is why defunding an actual hate group is controversial to them

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

V. Illych L. posted:

what these parties actually do doesn't matter much, so long as they're still the only party willing to represent certain segments of the population and don't 'betray the principles' by e.g. making conciliatory noises towards the darkies
bing bing bing

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

"I don't think integration benefits* are too low. On the contrary. If I were to adjust them it would be downward." - Inger Støjberg commenting on study by the Institute for Human Rights showing that tens of thousands of people forego medicine, medical and psychiatric treatment, new clothes and even food to be able to feed their children


*That's the official name for the literally halved unemployment benefits for immigrants, refugees and Danes who have lived abroad for an extended period, that contrary to regular benefits does not take into account the recipient's number of children (also, no child benefits for the first six years).

Mooey Cow
Jan 27, 2018

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Pillbug
It takes a lot of psychological redecorating to convince yourself voting SD is a reasonable thing to do, and once done it'll take at least as much work to get you to stop voting for them. The party itself can do no wrong to the people in this state. They could even talk well of muslims; all that would show is how humanitarian they are, or something, or maybe they would rationalize it as a camouflage tactic. The only thing they could do to break the spell, so to say, is to fracture. That would force people to reconsider what they actually believe and give them an easy way out. People so deep in that they can be found singing the party's official song "Jimmie Åkesson shalalalalala" would still stick around though.

It also doesn't matter if the other parties adopted SD's current policies, all that does is lower the threshold to jump ship, while SD itself will just go to the next level of terrible. Because they don't really have policies. They have slogans. All they want is "SD 20XX".

Of course, none of this matters, because politicians are idiots that'll repeat "rasistisk parti med nazistiska rötter" like a goddamn robot instead of maybe bringing up the small detail that SD today intends to abolish the free press and put party loyalists in all public sectors, especially the courts and schools. This is their first priority and they're not exactly coy about it, constantly gushing over Hungary and Poland.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

Mooey Cow posted:

Of course, none of this matters, because politicians are idiots that'll repeat "rasistisk parti med nazistiska rötter" like a goddamn robot instead of maybe bringing up the small detail that SD today intends to abolish the free press and put party loyalists in all public sectors, especially the courts and schools. This is their first priority and they're not exactly coy about it, constantly gushing over Hungary and Poland.

You're just going to reinforce their base. A fifth of DF voters explicitly want a dictator, for example.

Mooey Cow
Jan 27, 2018

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Pillbug

SplitSoul posted:

You're just going to reinforce their base. A fifth of DF voters explicitly want a dictator, for example.

Yeah, but I think the general population might be interested to know they're not "just" racist, they have a lot bigger plans than just closing a few borders. I don't know to what degree DF is similar to SD in this regard, though I heard they recently managed to shut down large parts of Danish public broadcasting (though SD would likely try to co-opt the remains for propaganda).

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

SplitSoul posted:

contrary to regular benefits does not take into account the recipient's number of children (also, no child benefits for the first six years).
The rest of it is pure racism but this part is outright criminal.

BigglesSWE
Dec 2, 2014

How 'bout them hawks news huh!

SplitSoul posted:

You're just going to reinforce their base. A fifth of DF voters explicitly want a dictator, for example.

Pretty sure a sizeable chunk of alliansens voters wouldn’t like the idea of a dictator, due to all the talk about ” valfrihet” as the most important thing in the universe.

That, or they’re hypocrites. That works I guess.

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

freedom of choice as a consumer is fundamentally separate from political liberty, it's perfectly possible to want one and not the other

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

Mooey Cow posted:

Yeah, but I think the general population might be interested to know they're not "just" racist, they have a lot bigger plans than just closing a few borders. I don't know to what degree DF is similar to SD in this regard, though I heard they recently managed to shut down large parts of Danish public broadcasting (though SD would likely try to co-opt the remains for propaganda).

It was totally DF's achievement that they gutted DR by 25%, but they also wanted them to shorten their articles and have exerted influence through the board for something like a decade. They don't need to control the press when it rarely criticises them and their line, though. And sometimes you'll see suspect stuff like this:



(The article itself had a whole paragraph about the Germans "critical of immigration" removed.)

I think having nazi roots pretty much covers the free press aspect, but you still hear the "It's National Socialism" argument from party leaders, so maybe we should assume that a sizable chunk of the population are barely able to tie their own shoelaces, I dunno.

evil_bunnY posted:

The rest of it is pure racism but this part is outright criminal.

Literally, IMR is in fact arguing that it's unconstitutional. Wouldn't be a first for Inger Støjberg, but she can't be prosecuted with a majority backing her in parliament.

BigglesSWE posted:

Pretty sure a sizeable chunk of alliansens voters wouldn’t like the idea of a dictator, due to all the talk about ” valfrihet” as the most important thing in the universe.

Inability to address cognitive dissonance on the right? I am both shocked and awed.


In other news, the government thought this was a great time to award Danske Bank a contract for 50 million. :lol:

https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/politik/danske-bank-vinder-millionkontrakt-med-staten

SplitSoul fucked around with this message at 21:52 on Oct 11, 2018

TheFluff
Dec 13, 2006

FRIENDS, LISTEN TO ME
I AM A SEAGULL
OF WEALTH AND TASTE
stockholm bad

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011





Water wet.

Retarded Goatee
Feb 6, 2010
I spent :10bux: so that means I can be a cheapskate and post about posting instead of having some wit or spending any more on comedy avs for people. Which I'm also incapable of. Comedy.

loving HYPED to pay 900:- a month for public transit

Fader Movitz
Sep 25, 2012

Snus, snaps och saltlakrits

Retarded Goatee posted:

loving HYPED to pay 900:- a month for public transit

That's landstingets thing and they were already blue. MP joining alliansen just so they can get their car free zones on Södermalm, they continue to be a poo poo party.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Love this thread providing further proof of the meme that no one, absolutely no one, outside of politics knows what the differences are between Stockholms Stad and Stockholms Läns Landsting.

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Mr. Sunshine
May 15, 2008

This is a scrunt that has been in space too long and become a Lunt (Long Scrunt)

Fun Shoe
I was trying to figure that out myself (wrt Gothenburg), and the demarcations between stad, kommun and landsting seem pretty drat confused to me.

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