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Krankenstyle posted:i wrote it like that on purpose It's like poetry. They rhyme.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:It's like poetry. They rhyme. good call, star war are the least plot-centric stories in the universe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjC70DRp7KE
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Ras Het posted:They don't lose yet in the Illiad so if you take the book as a self contained universe that joke isn't valid hector does lol
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Only paying attention to to prose style and aesthetics, and ignoring plot and pacing and story, seems to me like analyzing a bridge aesthetically but ignoring the bridge's engineering. A good bridge is both beautiful and functional. reducing prose to mere ornamentation and elevating plot to the all-important role of 'function' is an abomination
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Nov 2, 2018 20:08
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chernobyl kinsman posted:reducing prose to mere ornamentation and elevating plot to the all-important role of 'function' is an abomination that is not what ive been speaking for at all & u know it
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Nov 2, 2018 20:15
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*rests lips right against the mic* the words only exist to tell the story
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Krankenstyle posted:that is not what ive been speaking for at all & u know it I wasnt...replying to you, bud Mrenda posted:*rests lips right against the mic* the words only exist to tell the story the words are the story
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soz, chernoman
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i am the words
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:i am the words the word is the lamp w-w-word the lamp lamp the word
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chernobyl kinsman posted:the words are the story The story is all the questions that are sparked as we read. The ideas prompted by dead words. The theories we come to about ourselves, about others. The understanding or doubt raised about what we live within. The author killed a part of themselves to give you that, if they were worth anything. Or, there was a bit about a talking sword. Either of those.
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learnincurve posted:I could read this book in two hours, because that’s my reading speed, or I could have someone else read it to me over 8 hours and savour it, and yet somehow some people believe that it renders me a lesser reader or something? because you didn't read poo poo you listened to it. this is like saying i saw 100 plays but all i did was read the scripts
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oh there's like 3 pages of really bad takes and I'm not going to read them all! y'all have brain worms
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Mrenda posted:The story is all the questions that are sparked as we read. The ideas prompted by dead words. The theories we come to about ourselves, about others. The understanding or doubt raised about what we live within. The author killed a part of themselves to give you that, if they were worth anything. Or, there was a bit about a talking sword. Either of those. i appreciate the verbal masturbation here but there is no story apart from the words. they are not divisible elements of a text. BravestOfTheLamps posted:i am the words koo koo ka choo
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Nov 2, 2018 21:37
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chernobyl kinsman posted:i appreciate the verbal masturbation here but there is no story apart from the words. they are not divisible elements of a text. I agree, to a certain extent and was being facetious about how the words only exist to serve the story. My entire point is that the actual novel, the written words exist in some half state between author and reader. The author is dead, as we well know. The reader constructs something out of the words the author killed for. What the reader constructs can be close to whatever an author intended, or far removed. However, failing illness that effect semiotic understanding, etc. the author's intent, or a decent author's intent, will be to spark ideas for the reader. To allow the reader to create from the words they put down in their word processor. A story, for me, is how something happened, maybe with some insight. The novel is much more than that. It's communicating more than simple events. It's why people say I wrote a novel (or book if you want to be vulgar.) Some people write stories, but nowadays there's a lot more to writing than telling stories. The words, sentences, paragraphs are all elements of what a writer does. They might not stand on their own, but there's a lot more than a simple story coming from them. Or there should be.
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imagine reading Lolita and disregarding the plot and the characters and just enjoying the prose in a vacuum. actually, dont imagine that.
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Krankenstyle posted:imagine reading Lolita and disregarding the plot and the characters and just enjoying the prose in a vacuum. actually, dont imagine that. Shoat is such a sexy word.
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Krankenstyle posted:imagine reading Lolita and disregarding the plot and the characters and just enjoying the prose in a vacuum. actually, dont imagine that. english majors do that on the reg
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Nov 2, 2018 22:10
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jagstag posted:english majors do that on the reg 
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Nov 2, 2018 22:11
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jagstag posted:because you didn't read poo poo you listened to it. this is like saying i saw 100 plays but all i did was read the scripts ? That’s the opposite of audiobooks.
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Nov 2, 2018 23:46
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learnincurve posted:? That’s the opposite of audiobooks. are you dense? the idea is the same. just like reading a script doesn't mean you saw a play, listening to an audiobook doesn't mean you read it
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Nov 2, 2018 23:54
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jagstag posted:are you dense? the idea is the same. just like reading a script doesn't mean you saw a play, listening to an audiobook doesn't mean you read it Naw, I’m not buying you really believe that. By that logic no blind person has ever read a book.
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learnincurve posted:Naw, I’m not buying you really believe that. By that logic no blind person has ever read a book. uhh yes they can. braille is a written language
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there's a vast difference from saying that someone reading braille isn't someone reading a book and someone saying that listening to a story teller isnt reading a book
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Nov 3, 2018 02:01
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that being braille is a written language that you read and audiobooks are not something that you read
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Nov 3, 2018 02:02
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booker samdon rappert, shiet
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Nov 3, 2018 02:36
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Reading books and listening to audio books are both cool and people should do more of both.
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agreed. im currently reading Knausgård and listening to Larsson at the same time. yall try it, i can decommend it.
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I find the jagstag quite funny tbh, if we go by sheer quantity of books read, not listened to, read, it’s like that thing with foghorn leghorn and the sparrow hawk, and I’m the chicken in the metaphor. It’s my one talent and I don’t have a lot else to be smug about so I’ll take it.
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I started in on The Long Goodbye recently. It was published and is set in 1953 but it was still funny that one chapter starts with Marlowe switching on his tv to watch wrestling. Pro wrestling has always been popular but it's strange to think of it as having been a feature of broadcast television almost since it began.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I started in on The Long Goodbye recently. It was published and is set in 1953 but it was still funny that one chapter starts with Marlowe switching on his tv to watch wrestling. Back in that era every network (all three of them) had its own wrestling show. It was a dirt-cheap way to fill up broadcast time.
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learnincurve posted:I find the jagstag quite funny tbh, if we go by sheer quantity of books read, not listened to, read, it’s like that thing with foghorn leghorn and the sparrow hawk, and I’m the chicken in the metaphor. what the sam hill are you talking about
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yeah i don't know what they mean either but it's w/e
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learnincurve posted:I find the jagstag quite funny tbh, if we go by sheer quantity of books read, not listened to, read, it’s like that thing with foghorn leghorn and the sparrow hawk, and I’m the chicken in the metaphor. are you having some kind of ischemic event
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Mel Mudkiper posted:if the only value a story has is its narrative its not worth reading. I try to spoil every book I read and movie I watch beforehand because it allows me to focus on the craft. I was thinking about this comment and wanted to ask whether you apply it to other media as well? Films, television etc. of course, but what about music?
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how do you even spoil music
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Sorry, I was unclear. I didn't mean in regards to spoilers specifically but rather what do you look for in music if you judge it primarily - or even solely - on the craft involved in creating it? Are the prog rock people innately better than, say, Sam Cooke or Pete Seeger just because they are more proficient technical musicians?
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ulvir posted:how do you even spoil music now listen *v´bb*b bo!
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ulvir posted:how do you even spoil music I'd say showing someone a new song and talking over it the entire time explaining why you should like it spoils it, but not the same way that you spoil a film or novel.
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