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Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT
This is what my friends neighborhood looks like from the street.



Where guests are supposed to park is down at the end of each street, but in practice it's where the people who live near the end park.

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GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

食べちゃダメだよ
Jesus, what a depressing place

nielsm
Jun 1, 2009



That neighborhood would be so much better with 3 or 4 story condos.

Slanderer
May 6, 2007

Wasabi the J posted:

This is what my friends neighborhood looks like from the street.



Where guests are supposed to park is down at the end of each street, but in practice it's where the people who live near the end park.



This is a nightmare, jesus christ

Splicer
Oct 16, 2006

from hell's heart I cast at thee
🧙🐀🧹🌙🪄🐸

Phanatic posted:

When I think "local council" in England a thing that does not come to mind is "much less heavy-handed rules."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-13065883
Weirdly sensationalist slant aside (wtf bbc you're supposed to be one of the good ones), system working as intended? There was approval for a specific structure, when a different structure was noted they were asked to apply for planning permission for the other structure. They did and it was approved because it was a loving Wendy house of course it was going to be approved.

Splicer
Oct 16, 2006

from hell's heart I cast at thee
🧙🐀🧹🌙🪄🐸

Wasabi the J posted:

This is what my friends neighborhood looks like from the street.



Where guests are supposed to park is down at the end of each street, but in practice it's where the people who live near the end park.


Forget the parking, where's the greenspace :barf:

FCKGW
May 21, 2006

Wasabi the J posted:

This is what my friends neighborhood looks like from the street.



Where guests are supposed to park is down at the end of each street, but in practice it's where the people who live near the end park.



Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Splicer posted:

Forget the parking, where's the greenspace :barf:

There are 1.2 Bradford pears per lot.

What more do you want?

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

GotLag posted:

GPS tag all SUVs and execute every driver who doesn't go off-road at least once in any 12-month period

Intentionally.

Suspect Bucket
Jan 15, 2012

SHRIMPDOR WAS A MAN
I mean, HE WAS A SHRIMP MAN
er, maybe also A DRAGON
or possibly
A MINOR LEAGUE BASEBALL TEAM
BUT HE WAS STILL
SHRIMPDOR

I am so going to miss the legally required runoff ponds and green spaces required in new Florida slave ship construction. Mind, your slave ship still floods if the culvert gets blocked in a storm.

Dirt Road Junglist
Oct 8, 2010

We will be cruel
And through our cruelty
They will know who we are
My neighborhood (that I'm leaving, this week, praise the jerbus) is like that. Everyone uses their garage for storage, and on-street parking is scarce as it is. Plus the neighbor to one side had an extra slab poured at his corner lot to park the 4-6 cars he always has, which means parking more than one car in my driveway blocks off his access. And the other neighbor hasn't figured out that, if he scoots his busted pickup back like 18", you can make a whole extra parking space in front of it, RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY YARD.

My new place has a 1.5 car garage and I am so looking forward to using it.

null_pointer
Nov 9, 2004

Center in, pull back. Stop. Track 45 right. Stop. Center and stop.

GotLag posted:

GPS tag all SUVs and execute every driver who doesn't go off-road at least once in any 12-month period

Seconded.

couldcareless
Feb 8, 2009

Spheal used Swagger!
If the streets around your neighborhood are bad enough to be considered offroading, would that be a suitable alternative?

null_pointer
Nov 9, 2004

Center in, pull back. Stop. Track 45 right. Stop. Center and stop.

I'll allow it, since the alternative is death.

Not Wolverine
Jul 1, 2007

GotLag posted:

GPS tag all SUVs and execute every driver who doesn't go off-road at least once in any 12-month period
Too easy just park on the grass at the soccer game and skid off into the ditch every time it snows. :smug:

Queen Victorian
Feb 21, 2018

Wasabi the J posted:

This is what my friends neighborhood looks like from the street.



Where guests are supposed to park is down at the end of each street, but in practice it's where the people who live near the end park.



:stare: Dear lord that's horrible. Those lots are like the gestation crates of lots. What's the point of detached single family homes if they're crammed that close? They could have achieved a much nicer environment (and more parking) at the same overall density if they'd made quadplexes/larger multiplexes with condos. But I guess making them all single family homes was a better ROI for the developer.

For comparison, here's a shot of my street:

(I know, but Google Maps wouldn't let me turn off the labels)

This street was built and lots divvied up around 1895, well before most people owned cars (hence nice sidewalks). Somehow they managed to make the street wide enough for through traffic AND parked cars. Almost no one has a garage, though. The lots are super narrow, so houses are about as close together side by side as in that subdivision, but they are also deep, so everyone has some setback from the street and backyards. Also more cross streets, so you can get places more easily, by foot or car. Who knew that 1890s city planning would still result in a functional, accessible neighborhood?

I think what really irks me about that development is how unaccommodating it is to anyone who's not a friendless single person with exactly one car.

Not Wolverine
Jul 1, 2007

Wasabi the J posted:

This is what my friends neighborhood looks like from the street.



Where guests are supposed to park is down at the end of each street, but in practice it's where the people who live near the end park.



Isn't there quite a bit of unused desert surrounding Las Vegas? I can understand this kind of stuff in land locked San Francisco (it still doesn't make much more sense there, but at least it has a reason!). If land near Vegas is that bad, why cant we get like luxury condos? I kinda like the idea of following Walt's Epcot dream and just stacking a lot of housing units into a tower with an underground parking garage. Why cant we make histories impractical city of the future buildings a reality? In my opinion, I think most of the reason people hate apartments is probably because A) you don't own your own patch of grass to neglect at your will and B) you share a wall with that loud room mate (which could potentially be mitigated with decent soundproofing).

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

GotLag posted:

The council was required to make the house accessible, they did so, and despite a bunch of lovely tabloid coverage the residents are happy with it:

How in the hell was that abomination better than some path grading, drainage work to suit and an outdoor wheelchair lift?

Dr.Smasher
Nov 27, 2002

Cyberpunk 1987

Crotch Fruit posted:

Isn't there quite a bit of unused desert surrounding Las Vegas? I can understand this kind of stuff in land locked San Francisco (it still doesn't make much more sense there, but at least it has a reason!). If land near Vegas is that bad, why cant we get like luxury condos? I kinda like the idea of following Walt's Epcot dream and just stacking a lot of housing units into a tower with an underground parking garage. Why cant we make histories impractical city of the future buildings a reality? In my opinion, I think most of the reason people hate apartments is probably because A) you don't own your own patch of grass to neglect at your will and B) you share a wall with that loud room mate (which could potentially be mitigated with decent soundproofing).

Las Vegas sits in a bowl, and is rapidly nearing the edges. I thought the subdivision I lived in was a bit oppressive, but at least the house had a driveway and small backyard. The one posted above is jusy terrible.

Splicer
Oct 16, 2006

from hell's heart I cast at thee
🧙🐀🧹🌙🪄🐸

Platystemon posted:

There are 1.2 Bradford pears per lot.

What more do you want?
About 20% of the houses ripped out and replaced with open areas containing flora appropriate to the local climate.

Darchangel
Feb 12, 2009

Tell him about the blower!


Wasabi the J posted:

This is what my friends neighborhood looks like from the street.



Where guests are supposed to park is down at the end of each street, but in practice it's where the people who live near the end park.



Oh, look, Camazotz is real.
Yes, I'm a nerd, why do you ask?

FCKGW
May 21, 2006

Crotch Fruit posted:

Isn't there quite a bit of unused desert surrounding Las Vegas? I can understand this kind of stuff in land locked San Francisco (it still doesn't make much more sense there, but at least it has a reason!). If land near Vegas is that bad, why cant we get like luxury condos? I kinda like the idea of following Walt's Epcot dream and just stacking a lot of housing units into a tower with an underground parking garage. Why cant we make histories impractical city of the future buildings a reality? In my opinion, I think most of the reason people hate apartments is probably because A) you don't own your own patch of grass to neglect at your will and B) you share a wall with that loud room mate (which could potentially be mitigated with decent soundproofing).

There's tons of condos in Vegas. Most of the new construction happening on the strip are condos and apartments, not casinos.

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

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Leperflesh posted:

Developer and City go like this:

Developer: hey we want to put 100 condos on that formerly beautiful green space at the edge of your city, sounds good?
City: hell yes, we love property tax income, let's do it
Developer: Ok so, infrastructure pls
City: woah woah woah, that costs money, forget it
Developer: Ok wait I know, we'll have the new residents pay for their own infrastructure, by encumbering the whole development with an HOA, plus they can put up a gate and hire private security to keep the poors out
City: OK now you're talkin, here's your zoning, have fun

Don't forget:

<Five Years Later>
City: poo poo, we let you put that up on our stormwater drainage and now all this water has nowhere to go, time to pony up for remediation.
Developer: Sorry guy, I'm no longer in business.
City: Wat.
Developer: Yup, dissolved as soon as the project was finished, offloaded the obligations to the HOA by contract.
City: Welp, guess they get to come up with $200k for storm sewers.
HOA: No way! Lol jk the homeowners will just have to pay a levy. $2k each should do it.
Owners: The gently caress you say.
HOA: If you don't pay up, we're forcing a sheriff's sale of your property.
Owners: The gently caress you say!
City: Nah, they can totally do that.
HOA : We totally can.

Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 11:53 on Nov 9, 2018

peanut
Sep 9, 2007


Those tasteless rows of houses make me crave sweet & spicy New Mexico meth.

funeral home DJ
Apr 21, 2003


Pillbug

Liquid Communism posted:

Don't forget:

<Five Years Later>
City: poo poo, we let you put that up on our stormwater drainage and now all this water has nowhere to go, time to pony up for remediation.
Developer: Sorry guy, I'm no longer in business.
City: Wat.
Developer: Yup, dissolved as soon as the project was finished, offloaded the obligations to the HOA by contract.
City: Welp, guess they get to come up with $200k for storm sewers.
HOA: No way! Lol jk the homeowners will just have to pay a levy. $2k each should do it.
Owners: The gently caress you say.
HOA: If you don't pay up, we're forcing a sheriff's sale of your property.
Owners: The gently caress you say!
City: Nah, they can totally do that.
HOA : We totally can.

I have coworkers who think I’m crazy for not living in an area with an HOA. I’ll take the friendly neighbors who have a car in their backyard over a $3k “donation” to the HOA to fix a lazy developer’s gently caress-up any day.

I knew of a guy who bought into a condo that, surprise, surprise, had a lovely developer half-rear end the foundation. Apparently the “consortium” of developers and construction companies all bugged the gently caress out and told the HOA to sue the other companies after the consortium was dissolved, and the HOA ended up having to ask each owner for $20k large to help hire a company to fix it.

The sad thing is that condos and apartments are, by far the most economically and ecologically intelligent way to house humans, yet we’re gonna kill any movement towards that off with old-school American business corruption. Yee haw. :patriot:

Yawgmoth
Sep 10, 2003

This post is cursed!

GotLag posted:

GPS tag all SUVs and execute every driver who doesn't go off-road at least once in any 12-month period
not an emptyquote

there wolf
Jan 11, 2015

by Fluffdaddy

Ripoff posted:

I have coworkers who think I’m crazy for not living in an area with an HOA. I’ll take the friendly neighbors who have a car in their backyard over a $3k “donation” to the HOA to fix a lazy developer’s gently caress-up any day.

I knew of a guy who bought into a condo that, surprise, surprise, had a lovely developer half-rear end the foundation. Apparently the “consortium” of developers and construction companies all bugged the gently caress out and told the HOA to sue the other companies after the consortium was dissolved, and the HOA ended up having to ask each owner for $20k large to help hire a company to fix it.

The sad thing is that condos and apartments are, by far the most economically and ecologically intelligent way to house humans, yet we’re gonna kill any movement towards that off with old-school American business corruption. Yee haw. :patriot:

This exact poo poo is what kept me from getting a condo, even though it's exactly what I wanted. I'm going to try and get into gardening to make having a yard again worth while.

Armacham
Mar 3, 2007

Then brothers in war, to the skirmish must we hence! Shall we hence?
I live in a townhouse/condo community and It owns. My HOA fee covers water, sewer, pool and spa maintenance and all landscaping except for in my little patio yard area.

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

коммунизм хранится в яичках

Armacham posted:

I live in a townhouse/condo community and It owns. My HOA fee covers water, sewer, pool and spa maintenance and all landscaping except for in my little patio yard area.

How's your liability insurance? Someone drowns in that pool, are the owners going to be on the hook for the costs? :v:

B-Nasty
May 25, 2005

To be somewhat charitable to HOAs (and I really don't want to), they often have a tough job managing finances due to idiot home owners. In my parents' 55+ community, the HOA is fairly well run, and it properly sets aside (large) capital reserves based on expected/upcoming maintenance/replacements to common-area stuff (not adding new bullshit some board member wanted.) Homeowners frequently see the large reserve amount on the balance sheets and demand a reduction in dues, as they conclude that there's a surplus because they're paying too much.

"Hey idiots, would you rather get hit with multi-thousand dollar special assessments when these repairs pop up? No we shouldn't run our HOA like how you manage your personal finances: zero savings for emergencies."

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT
Not all the neighborhoods in Vegas are like that. I'm partial to the Northwest desert lots that still actually have small ranches in the neighborhood, where the edge of town used to be.

My house has a modest backyard that isn't very large in my mind but people in Vegas are broken.



(Ignore the wall being so high the neighbor behind me lives at a higher elevation to me)

My friend that lives in that suburban hell can only smoke in his backyard and his dog can only has enough room to poo poo back there, so he has to take her out every day to the park to run and play.

But yes the edges of the bowl are being reached on both the East and West, and the valley is being overwatched by modernist mansions that only the very wealthy can afford.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Wasabi the J posted:

he has to take her out every day to the park to run and play.

And... that's bad and not, you know, normal?

TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

I spent four years making
Waves of Steel
Hell yes I'm going to turn my avatar into an ad for it.
Fun Shoe
My dog would rather destroy toys than retrieve them, so 90% of his exercise comes from walks (and the remainder is warning me that THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THE ADJACENT YARD). As a bonus, my back yard isn't full of poop, and I get exercise too.

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



Jerry Cotton posted:

And... that's bad and not, you know, normal?

My backyard is about 1/3 of an acre and fenced in. It has plenty of places to for Little Dog to smell and sniff and chase/bark at squirrels and birds.

She is a rescue and poorly socialized with other dogs. Even though she would get totally stomped by anything more than 25 lbs, she is still very aggressive towards all dogs that are not her. She did like Big Dog when he was alive, so I imagine supervised time with other dogs will work but people generally don’t want you to do that with their dogs at a public park. So backyard and leash walks for her.

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT

Jerry Cotton posted:

And... that's bad and not, you know, normal?

I feel like the latter part is great pet ownership but I also feel your home should maybe be large enough for the dog to have someplace to run around unsupervised.

Suspect Bucket
Jan 15, 2012

SHRIMPDOR WAS A MAN
I mean, HE WAS A SHRIMP MAN
er, maybe also A DRAGON
or possibly
A MINOR LEAGUE BASEBALL TEAM
BUT HE WAS STILL
SHRIMPDOR

Never mind the wall, what's with the column?

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

It’s called class, look it up.

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT

Suspect Bucket posted:

Never mind the wall, what's with the column?

Previous owner had strange concepts of design, it's holding up the pergola.

They also liked taupe and beige-ish lavender. Is that a confusing color? Yes. It's also exactly the right description and covering my master bedroom.

DR FRASIER KRANG
Feb 4, 2005

"Are you forgetting that just this afternoon I was punched in the face by a turtle now dead?
When I bought my house, the kitchen was maroon, the living room had a mustard colored accent wall and one of the basement bedrooms was two tone green/dark green.

Yeah all that poo poo is off-white now.

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nishi koichi
Feb 16, 2007

everyone feels that way and gives up.
that's how they get away with it.

Wasabi the J posted:

Previous owner had strange concepts of design, it's holding up the pergola.

They also liked taupe and beige-ish lavender. Is that a confusing color? Yes. It's also exactly the right description and covering my master bedroom.

I know the exact shade you're talking about, kind of gross and fleshy, right? Our landlord used it everywhere.

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