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AndyElusive
Jan 7, 2007

MonsterEnvy posted:

Two more of those kids books have been anounced.




Those kids are so hosed.

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susan
Jan 14, 2013

AndyElusive posted:

Those kids are so hosed.

I mean, it won't, but if one of these books ends with a bloody TPK I would buy the collector's edition of the series and treasure it.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

AndyElusive posted:

Those kids are so hosed.

If they're Ymgarl Jean Stealers they might stand a chance, because at least in that case there's no hive fleet coming and they just need to find a way off planet so they can do an Aliens finale where grampa Dreadnought wakes up to throw the Broodlord off the ship with punctuated swearing.

Zasze
Apr 29, 2009

Arcsquad12 posted:

If they're Ymgarl Jean Stealers they might stand a chance, because at least in that case there's no hive fleet coming and they just need to find a way off planet so they can do an Aliens finale where grampa Dreadnought wakes up to throw the Broodlord off the ship with punctuated swearing.

I won’t even be bothered asking how bjorn got there :swoon:

Telsa Cola
Aug 19, 2011

No... this is all wrong... this whole operation has just gone completely sidewaysface
The Jorako will make teleporter out of a piece of lint and string if they ever get in a bind.

head58
Apr 1, 2013

Schadenboner posted:

E: I'm on an Iron Hands kick at the moment, same question about Iron Hands?

I just finished Iron Hands and it is very, very, embarrassingly bad. I feel dumber for having read it.

SardonicTyrant
Feb 26, 2016

BTICH IM A NEWT
熱くなれ夢みた明日を
必ずいつかつかまえる
走り出せ振り向くことなく
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Angry Lobster posted:

Is that a Jokaero?
Its name is Curious Jorge. Original character. Do not steal.

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:

Waroduce posted:

I didn't hate them but I also didn't think they were as compelling as they could have been. They are well executed, but they're executed. It's not like a cool kinda deepish read you get out of ADB or something. I like them but just temper your expectations. You'll enjoy them if you like the blood Angel's. They definitely had their moments but it was a lot of kind of wading through bolter porn.

I actually quite like Dante's characterization towards the end and it certainly had some moments. But there was a lot of half skimming the relentless bolted porn. The battle scenes could have been reduced by a good 30% and it would have been a better book. It's on the edge of being genuinely quite good and the fact that it barely misses it is disappointing. Lots of moments ripe for emotion, but there's just a certain sense of pathos missing.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

AndyElusive posted:

Those kids are so hosed.

"we gotta get out of her"

*stormvermin squad shows up.

"DIE SMALL MAN THING"

the end.

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

Everything is Sinister


So I grabbed the Spears of The Emperor LE since I'm working on a Celestial Lions force, and I figured I could just have maybe a squad of Emperor's Spears from those transfers, plus some additional lore for the Lions, too.

The Lions really can't get any relief. They're caught on the wrong side of the Great Rift, their Primaris reinforcements (and how to make more of them) don't show up, although the Spears are bros and pass the information along to them, then it turns out a Chaos warband is moving in and actually takes their homeworld (although it seems they do manage to evacuate a bunch of people), PLUS the Inquisition specifically sent a Callidus assassin across the Great Rift solely to kill their Chapter Master, which involved sending an entire ship of the Mentors plus crew (admittedly, only the one Space Marine, but still), including having inserted the assassin into the Mentors for literally years (with the Chapter Master's consent, mind - side note, the Mentors are actually assholes, apparently). And then in the framing device, the Chaos forces have seemingly conquered most of Elaras Veil, so it looks like the Lions and Spears are even more screwed...

On the plus side it's given me some great ideas for My Dudes. And it's a really great book. I hope ADB does a sequel.

Hot Dog Day #82
Jul 5, 2003

Soiled Meat

Yvonmukluk posted:

So I grabbed the Spears of The Emperor LE since I'm working on a Celestial Lions force, and I figured I could just have maybe a squad of Emperor's Spears from those transfers, plus some additional lore for the Lions, too.

The Lions really can't get any relief. They're caught on the wrong side of the Great Rift, their Primaris reinforcements (and how to make more of them) don't show up, although the Spears are bros and pass the information along to them, then it turns out a Chaos warband is moving in and actually takes their homeworld (although it seems they do manage to evacuate a bunch of people), PLUS the Inquisition specifically sent a Callidus assassin across the Great Rift solely to kill their Chapter Master, which involved sending an entire ship of the Mentors plus crew (admittedly, only the one Space Marine, but still), including having inserted the assassin into the Mentors for literally years (with the Chapter Master's consent, mind - side note, the Mentors are actually assholes, apparently). And then in the framing device, the Chaos forces have seemingly conquered most of Elaras Veil, so it looks like the Lions and Spears are even more screwed...

On the plus side it's given me some great ideas for My Dudes. And it's a really great book. I hope ADB does a sequel.

You may be in luck! I was reading a comment he made on Reddit earlier this afternoon and came across this tidbit, where was discussing the books use of a female character. I’ve spoiled it just in case someone wants to go in absolutely cold turkey, but there aren’t any plot spoilers in the “spoiler”:


Q: But what perspective does he bring to the idea of a female outsider to a hypermasculine culture? I obviously haven't read the book, but is our female perspective notably feminine? Does she deal with feminine cares and considerations? Is there a culture clash that comes from female culture and lived experience,

A: I'd argue there's very little hypermasculine in Space Marine existence in the context of the 41st Millennium. If I was writing through a modern day character's lens, then yeah, definitely. But a person in M41, brought up through the ranks of their Chapter, has lived a very different life and sees the world very different to you and I. There's monastic sterility, isolationism, perfectionism, glory worship, inhuman endurance, and odd attitudes to pain and strain. *That's* the culture. There's growing up in the bowels of a Chapter's fortress-monastery. There's conflicts with other Mentor Legion serfs who've got different specialisations and experiences and training to you. There's the raw insanity of seeing Space Marines move and fight and interact. The surreality of it.

Anuradha's gender is the least relevant aspect about her life. it matters a little more in the sequel but it's still irrelevant in the wider scheme of her perspective and service outside the occasional observation or character beat...

Hot Dog Day #82 fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Dec 2, 2018

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

ADB mentioned he was already halfway done with the sequel when he has on Adeptus Podcastus back in October.

Xun
Apr 25, 2010

Jfc it's like the guy who asks the question thinks women are a whole different species or some poo poo lmao

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008

Xun posted:

Jfc it's like the guy who asks the question thinks women are a whole different species or some poo poo lmao

Women are from Armageddon and Men are from Cadia

Zasze
Apr 29, 2009
The question is phrased almost indignantly what the gently caress lol.

^burtle
Jul 17, 2001

God of Boomin'



So where does the Gaunt stuff take a dive? Hit the start of book 4 and Gaunt getting shitfaced after a "loss" that wasn't his fault seems like an odd new characterization. Sprinkle in Caffran is now the Dad of the other dude's kids as what I'm guessing is a growing plot point and uhh, okay Dan. I know there is like 7 more after this one so I'm assuming this is where he wants to open up the gates and try to start giving some of these characters deeper personalities than just soldier x with y quirk.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
The major characterization beats really start to happen around Straight Silver and then become a focal point by Traitor General two books later. Incidentally those two are my favourite books in the series for that specific reason.

Guns of Tanith does some good work with Bonin, Bragg and Kolea's characterisations but they feel more like the Ghostmaker character pieces to flesh out the characters rather than doing so in service to the main plot.

And Sabbat Martyr is just a mess of a book that is about two hundred pages two short and features the worst "abrupt abnett ending" ever.

Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Dec 3, 2018

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
^^^^
I strongly disagree. I gave zero fucks about the wider battle after the fething Cuu payoff :argh:

^burtle posted:

So where does the Gaunt stuff take a dive?
By "take a dive" do you mean "get bad"?

Because the answer is: "not yet" :colbert:

bango skank
Jan 15, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
My local Warhammer store is starting a BL book club this Thursday and I don't know anybody else who's into Warhammer/40k so I'm thinking of heading down and meeting up with some nerds to talk about space elves and demons. Probably pick up some models too, but idk how weird it'll be to actually get into the game that my advertisementsbooks are about.

Orv
May 4, 2011

bango skank posted:

My local Warhammer store is starting a BL book club this Thursday and I don't know anybody else who's into Warhammer/40k so I'm thinking of heading down and meeting up with some nerds to talk about space elves and demons. Probably pick up some models too, but idk how weird it'll be to actually get into the game that my advertisementsbooks are about.

I think you probably know this deep down, but this is a very bad idea.

Bring stories back!

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

Arquinsiel posted:

^^^^
I strongly disagree. I gave zero fucks about the wider battle after the fething Cuu payoff :argh:

By "take a dive" do you mean "get bad"?

Because the answer is: "not yet" :colbert:

Sabbat Martyr is trying to do too much with too small a page count. It's ambitious, but it just fails to stick the landing when the epilogue is a page and a half long after a two page climax with miniscule buildup.
I'm thinking of poo poo like a surprise dreadnought who spends the entire book tunneling through the ground like a killer bugs bunny only to burst out and die in a single paragraph.

The book needed some room to breathe.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
Oh yeah, the assassins were dealt with way too easily to be interesting alright.

bango skank
Jan 15, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

bango skank posted:

My local Warhammer store is starting a BL book club this Thursday and I don't know anybody else who's into Warhammer/40k so I'm thinking of heading down and meeting up with some nerds to talk about space elves and demons. Probably pick up some models too, but idk how weird it'll be to actually get into the game that my advertisementsbooks are about.

Just got back, and the five or six dudes who showed up were surprisingly normal. Everybody was a little nerdy of course, but there weren't any real goony folks like I was expecting. Everyone had basic hygiene down and was able to carry on a conversation without tripping any "ALERT! WEIRDO DETECTED!" alarms.

The theme we picked for our books was just reading something you don't have any previous experience with, so I picked up Titanicus since I haven't read anything focused on titans. I ended up being the one who'd probably read the most BL books so I managed to convince a couple guys to pick up Xenos. Ordered an Eisenhorn Model too, though after seeing the effort required to really get into the game I don't know if I'll go any deeper than maybe setting up a couple Kill Team squads set up, but I still wanted to get one just as a tchotchke for my desk.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
Kill Team is a very fun way to get into the games of the universe with minimal fuss TBH. A lot of lapsed veterans are buying back in for it.

Azran
Sep 3, 2012

And what should one do to be remembered?
If the last book I read from Black Library was Know No Fear, what's the best they've released since then? Asking mostly about 40k (RIP Fantasy)

Deptfordx
Dec 23, 2013

Azran posted:

If the last book I read from Black Library was Know No Fear, what's the best they've released since then? Asking mostly about 40k (RIP Fantasy)

More Horus Heresy books, or 40k in general?

Azran
Sep 3, 2012

And what should one do to be remembered?
Either's fine!

Deptfordx
Dec 23, 2013

Ok. So, post Know No Fear.

I'll skip more Horus Heresy as they get increasingly less stand alone.

Abnetts Magos, if you're up to speed on the earlier Eisenhorn novels. Read those if you haven't.

The Carrion Throne for some cool Inquisitor/Custodes action on Terra itself.

The Black Legion books by Adam Demski-Bowden. Post Horus Heresy action about the rise of the eponymous force. A trilogy, two out so far.

Charcaradons: Red Tithe. It's mostly bolter porn, but it's a good bolter porn book.

War of the Fang Set in the 32K. The Thousand Sons fight a rematch with the Space Wolves, and this time it's their homeworld under assault.

Pandorax. A personal pick, but I really like it. Starts at the squad level, then escalates, and escalates, and escalates.

The Dark Imperium books, if you're curious about the current 40K 8th edition state of play. 10K after Know No Fear, Guillimans revived and de facto ruler of the imperium.

I'm sure others will suggest more.

Azran
Sep 3, 2012

And what should one do to be remembered?

Deptfordx posted:

Ok. So, post Know No Fear.

I'll skip more Horus Heresy as they get increasingly less stand alone.

Abnetts Magos, if you're up to speed on the earlier Eisenhorn novels. Read those if you haven't.

The Carrion Throne for some cool Inquisitor/Custodes action on Terra itself.

The Black Legion books by Adam Demski-Bowden. Post Horus Heresy action about the rise of the eponymous force. A trilogy, two out so far.

Charcaradons: Red Tithe. It's mostly bolter porn, but it's a good bolter porn book.

War of the Fang Set in the 32K. The Thousand Sons fight a rematch with the Space Wolves, and this time it's their homeworld under assault.

Pandorax. A personal pick, but I really like it. Starts at the squad level, then escalates, and escalates, and escalates.

The Dark Imperium books, if you're curious about the current 40K 8th edition state of play. 10K after Know No Fear, Guillimans revived and de facto ruler of the imperium.

I'm sure others will suggest more.

Oh, I had no idea Magos was linked to Eisenhorn. Will pick that one up for sure, always nice to revisit that bit of the 40k universe. Thanks for the recommendations!

Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011

by Shine
Is there any long-form official stuff about the Second War For Armageddon (the first Ork war)?

Ideally Black Library but casting as wide a net as possible.

E: I know there’s a p.deece amount for the Third War (Helsreach and do forth) but the Second one is what’s currently interesting me, although I’d imagine there might be intertextual stuff in the Third War coverage...

Schadenboner fucked around with this message at 17:15 on Dec 9, 2018

Deptfordx
Dec 23, 2013

Jonathon Greens Black Templar novels.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Crusade_For_Armageddon_(Novel)

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Conquest_of_Armageddon_(Novel)

Are I'm 90% sure set in the first Ork war.

Cheap on UK amazon.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Crusade-Ar...+for+armageddon

Shroud
May 11, 2009

There are some head-scratching moments in those two books, if I remember right. I want to say that was supposed to be a trilogy, but got cancelled - could be wrong though. Not the best, but there's not much else.

Deptfordx
Dec 23, 2013

I *think* I actually read one of those myself when it came out (2003), I haven't the faintest recollection of the plot or what I thought of it.

Khizan
Jul 30, 2013


Azran posted:

If the last book I read from Black Library was Know No Fear, what's the best they've released since then? Asking mostly about 40k (RIP Fantasy)

Betrayer: Horus Heresy novel by ADB. About the Word Bearers and the World Eaters in their attack on Ultramar.
Master of Mankind: Horus Heresy novel by ADB, about the Emperor and the Webway after Magnus pulls a Kool Aid Man on it.

If you've read up to Know No Fear you know enough to read those two without reading anything else in the Heresy.

If you've read the Gaunt's Ghosts series by Dan Abnett, there's a few more entries in it since Know No Fear was released. If you haven't read them, you should read them.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

Schadenboner posted:

Is there any long-form official stuff about the Second War For Armageddon (the first Ork war)?

Ideally Black Library but casting as wide a net as possible.

E: I know there’s a p.deece amount for the Third War (Helsreach and do forth) but the Second one is what’s currently interesting me, although I’d imagine there might be intertextual stuff in the Third War coverage...
Mostly you're going to be trying to find snippets of story in 2nd edition rulebooks and Codices TBH. That was the marquee fight for the box set back then, so all the fiction in the various sourcebooks was about it until pretty late in the edition's lifespan.

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

Royalty is a continuous cutting motion


Azran posted:

Oh, I had no idea Magos was linked to Eisenhorn. Will pick that one up for sure, always nice to revisit that bit of the 40k universe. Thanks for the recommendations!

Specifically, The Magos occurs between the last Ravenor story and Pariah, and contains everything explaining how they got there.

I also recommend the Black Legion books.

^burtle
Jul 17, 2001

God of Boomin'



Had some bad things go down so I’m still trucking in the warm embrace of the Ghosts but holy poo poo these jarring endings of Guard and Tanith. I started Straight Silver but I’m just not finding them as satisfying as the first few. I don’t need a neatly wrapped bow since there are still like 10 more to read but some weird choices being made for sure.

Biplane
Jul 18, 2005

Dan Abnett can’t write an ending to save his life but I still love him.

bango skank
Jan 15, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
https://www.warhammer-community.com...beAZCGHpJfbW-Ow

quote:

We’re bringing the grim darkness of the far future to life like never before. Get ready for epic battle, heroic sacrifice, loads of explosions, brutal close-combat chainsword duels, and some pathos-laden dialogue that’ll fill your belly with fire and stretch your heart strings to breaking.

‘Angels of Death’, will follow the visceral exploits of a band of Blood Angels Space Marines as they face Mankind’s enemies, death and worse – the dreaded Black Rage. To ensure the story is suitably grimdark, we’ve called upon the talents of some of Black Library’s finest authors. Together, they’re forging an epic tale for the animators to realise.

Speaking of which, some of you might be familiar with the Helsreach fan film, based on the Black Library novel of the same name. If you thought that was cool, you were right! We enjoyed it so much that we knew we had to team up with the very same team to deliver Angels of Death. Turns out, Helsreach wasn’t even close to their A-game!

short video in the link

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Gibfender
Apr 15, 2007

Electricity In Our Homes

Biplane posted:

Dan Abnett can’t write an ending to save his life but I still love him.

Same. Which is why I’m so torn as to whether I want him to write the last Siege of Terra book or not

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