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Daxing Dan posted:Mangastream puts out some duds, but the Jaiminisbox translations are just consistently really loving bad. The thing that confuses me about this is that my Japanese isn't good enough to translate stuff like this reliably, but I also know enough to not make the mistakes you mention in this post. My best guess is that it's someone who 1. has a relatively decent background in Japanese but 2. is not fluent and 3. is very lazy with translations. Like I could see myself making those mistakes if I was just rushing through (for example the guy may have seen the "nan" in "nantsutte" and assumed at a glance it was just Denki being like "What?!", or misread the "ga" as "ka" at a glance and not recognized the common phrase immediately due to lack of true fluency).
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Related to that topic, I notice translators have trouble with Kaminari's phrases. He seems to be consistently sarcastic and/or uses a lot of Japanese idioms that get lost in translation. Is that an accurate assessment?
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Dec 8, 2018 15:31
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Finally something happening I give a poo poo about
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Flesnolk posted:Why do we even keep linking JB since they’re that bad? Cause they used to be better. However they somehow lost the good translator for My Hero.
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Ytlaya posted:The thing that confuses me about this is that my Japanese isn't good enough to translate stuff like this reliably, but I also know enough to not make the mistakes you mention in this post. You don't actually have to be very good at Japanese to make something like this that pretends to be a translation. Someone with 2-3 years of college-level Japanese and a dictionary could probably squeeze out something like this in about an hour, as long as they didn't care about accurately conveying the meaning of the original text. As far as I can tell, the translators just don't have a solid foundational knowledge of Japanese to work from. Another funny thing about the "man ga ichi" translation is that the same phrase appears a mere two pages earlier in the same chapter, and is correctly translated there, so the translators probably looked that up in a dictionary, but didn't they didn't remember it long enough to recognize it a second time when it came up again. In sentences with harder vocabulary, they often mess up simple grammar too, which makes me think they're translating lines in fragments and attempting to piece them together afterwards, instead of reading them as full sentences and understanding how the pieces fit together and interact. This is only made worse by the fact that Jaiminisbox seems to be rushing out their releases to beat Mangastream to the punch (and both of them already release before the official release date in Japan), and this sort of schedule doesn't allow for the critical thinking and fact checking that would somewhat compensate for their translators' incompetence and produce a better translation. SKULL.GIF posted:Related to that topic, I notice translators have trouble with Kaminari's phrases. He seems to be consistently sarcastic and/or uses a lot of Japanese idioms that get lost in translation. Is that an accurate assessment? While I haven't really noticed any distinctive speech pattern from Kaminari, he does speak in conversational Japanese with slang thrown in, which could definitely throw someone off. One character that did stand out to me was Ibara, who speaks with a very dramatic and Christian flair that got the translators very confused.
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Dec 8, 2018 20:27
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New Vigilantes! Koichi, master of seduction.
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lol about the bakugou's suicide advice, surprised thats canon and im positive JB is so garbage now is because they wanna beat out MS on first release for all that traffic, theyre probably banging out chapters in 20-30 minutes after the leaks get out. I honestly really cant wait to re-read all of BNHA on viz once the new model rolls out
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Dec 8, 2018 21:43
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Dec 8, 2018 21:57
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Recently caught up to this by marathoning the anime and then the manga where the anime left off. Can't wait for the next chapter.  On an anime note, the dub seems to have fixed the mistake with Magne when explaining her quirk by simply removing any references to gender, which is where the mistake was originally iirc?
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Zeratanis posted:Recently caught up to this by marathoning the anime and then the manga where the anime left off. Can't wait for the next chapter. Nah, the mistake was misgendering Magne early on. Japanese doesn't have pronouns, so the words "he" and "she" get added by translations into English. And then a big buff beardo shows up with no explanation as to their gender, and because it's pretty normal for a character to show up and not announce their gender, she got a he and no one knew any different until we got to know Magne better later.
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Dec 10, 2018 04:11
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What about words like boku and watashi?
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Mraagvpeine posted:What about words like boku and watashi? Japan does have pronouns. "Kare" is "He" and "Kanojo" is "Her" but they are not required and are actually used rather infrequently. The subject can easily be omitted entirely and understood via context or people can be referred to just by their names which can leave things intentionally vague.
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drjuggalo posted:lol about the bakugou's suicide advice, surprised thats canon He was an absolutely irredeemable piece of poo poo for a really long time, it's just that the author didn't really intend for it so now it's sort of ignored. There basically is an invisible disclaimer like 20 chapters in or whatever that is "Hey yeah, just sort of pretend that everything he did before this point didn't happen and he was just a gruff rear end in a top hat type".
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GodFish posted:Vigilantes is so much fun Part of me kinda likes Vigilantes more than the main series now. Main series still has better art, but I kinda like the basic plot/characters more of the spin-off.
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Ytlaya posted:Part of me kinda likes Vigilantes more than the main series now. Main series still has better art, but I kinda like the basic plot/characters more of the spin-off. Looking at the main character in Vigilantes, he could hang with the crowd in the main series. His powers are seriously A tier. 1. He can fly (as shown in flashbacks as a baby) 2. He can repulse physical attacks 3. He can stick to things 4. He can propel himself at great speed. 5. He can shoot force blasts out of his hands. I am really interested in where he ends up with his power development. Leading a normal life after all of this seems like a bad ending to it all.
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Mystic Mongol posted:Nah, the mistake was misgendering Magne early on. Japanese doesn't have pronouns, so the words "he" and "she" get added by translations into English. And then a big buff beardo shows up with no explanation as to their gender, and because it's pretty normal for a character to show up and not announce their gender, she got a he and no one knew any different until we got to know Magne better later. We knew Magne was trans by the time the anime got there, though, the manga having revealed that over a year before she showed up in the anime, and if I recall correctly the dub still misgendered her. The manga translations making that mistake is understandable, given how the translations come out so quickly, but the anime doesn't have that excuse.
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Mystic Mongol posted:Nah, the mistake was misgendering Magne early on. Japanese doesn't have pronouns, so the words "he" and "she" get added by translations into English. And then a big buff beardo shows up with no explanation as to their gender, and because it's pretty normal for a character to show up and not announce their gender, she got a he and no one knew any different until we got to know Magne better later. Just checked the scene in question after looking on youtube and the version I watched on Funi's site and yeah they're definitely different. Original: Magne! Quirk: Magnetism! He can apply a magnetic force to anyone within a 4.5 meter radius! It can focus on a whole body or just a part! Men become south poles and women north poles! He can't make himself a magnet though! Updated: Magne's Quirk: Magnetism! It's wielder can apply a magnetic force to anyone within a 4.5 meter radius, and can focus on a whole body or just a part! Men become south poles and women north poles! Magnetism doesn't work on Magne though! Unless you're referring to an even earlier case, which I can't recall after seeing these episodes less than a few days ago. Do remember Spinner saying Big-Sis Magne though. 
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I think it was an honest mistake. The guy translating that part may have not known that detail about Magne. And Magne's is a pretty minor character and so no one caught the mistake. It's fixed now which is all that really matters.
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Mulva posted:He was an absolutely irredeemable piece of poo poo for a really long time, it's just that the author didn't really intend for it so now it's sort of ignored. There basically is an invisible disclaimer like 20 chapters in or whatever that is "Hey yeah, just sort of pretend that everything he did before this point didn't happen and he was just a gruff rear end in a top hat type".
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Dec 10, 2018 12:54
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anyone who didnt say "kill yourself lol" when they were 15 and had access to the internet is a cop
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Ryaomon posted:anyone who didnt say "kill yourself lol" when they were 15 and had access to the internet is a cop Bakugo was already aiming to be a cop back then though, so he was already failing.
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Dec 10, 2018 14:52
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And that's an important part of his character arc so it all checks out.
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Fabricated posted:Telling someone to kill themselves as a kid in Japan isn't really viewed as being quite as lovely as it is elsewhere- like the go-to phrase for kids arguing to the point they don't want to be friends with someone anymore is "Go die!" which is basically like "gently caress off and die" and telling someone to kill themselves isn't really too many notches above that. Ryaomon posted:anyone who didnt say "kill yourself lol" when they were 15 and had access to the internet is a cop Eh. I think the scene come across as genuinely crossing a line rather than Bakugou's usual rudeness because of the way Deku reacts to it.
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Silver2195 posted:Eh. I think the scene come across as genuinely crossing a line rather than Bakugou's usual rudeness because of the way Deku reacts to it. I actually like the line as a part of Bakugou's story arc. It's a proper rear end in a top hat thing to say from someone who thinks they are special to someone they think of as only worthy of mockery. The arc from that overconfident egotistical asshat bully to the surprise at the fitness test to the stunned amazement of seeing Deku blow up the middle of a building to watching Todoroki instantly win by freezing an entire building leading to him breaking down in front of one that he only considered a "pebble" is just perfect. As is his frustrated anger when the other kids are mocking him on the bus. Makes the whole thing the arc of redemption for a bully and gives you insight into the feelings of inadequacy that led to his actions. Horikoshi just misjudged his audience as there are many who view making a statement like that makes the character irredeemable in their eyes no matter their youth.
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The series will end with the Pro Hero Kacchan becoming an anti-bullying advocate with the slogan "don't bully or I'll loving kill you!"
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Rhonne posted:The series will end with the Pro Hero Kacchan becoming an anti-bullying advocate with the slogan "don't bully or I'll loving kill you!"
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i like monomas poetic prose in the viz version, also seems like he doesnt wanna copy dekus quirk
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drjuggalo posted:i like monomas poetic prose in the viz version, also seems like he doesnt wanna copy dekus quirk Well it took Deku most of the school year to learn how to use it without destroying himself, of course Monoma would be a little nervous about copying it.
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drjuggalo posted:i like monomas poetic prose in the viz version, also seems like he doesnt wanna copy dekus quirk Smart. Copying Deku would require physical contact with a stronger, faster opponent who possesses long range attacks which is not something to base a plan on. Better off doubling up on own team's quirks in an overall strategy and then playing things by ear on what quirks are available to copy safely.
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I wonder how Monoma has improved. Did he increase the time he can use a Quirk, can he use more than one Quirk at a time allowing for all sorts of combos, or possibly both?
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Monoma copying multiple quirks at once would be really cool, could make up for not having the experience to use any single quirk very effectively. I always thought Monoma's quirk strains plausiblity when Quirks are supposed to be physical abilities in universe, but obviously a copycat mutant isn't a trope you're gonna leave out when you do superhero fiction. Of course, the same logic makes All for One's quirk even crazier...
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I wonder how copying Mina or Mineta's Quirks will work out for Monoma.Mraagvpeine posted:I wonder how Monoma has improved. Did he increase the time he can use a Quirk, can he use more than one Quirk at a time allowing for all sorts of combos, or possibly both? He got a baller suit and that's a real good upgrade.
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Funky Valentine posted:I wonder how copying Mina or Mineta's Quirks will work out for Monoma. Well hopefully that suit is very durable, otherwise Mina's quirk would just melt right through it.
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When you think about it, Monoma wouldn't get much use out of Deku, Mineta, Ochako or Mina's Quirks since they all require careful coordination to work properly, (or in Mineta's case, comic book logic/physique) so he's probably gonna rely on his teammates' Quirks instead Having two Shinsos, for example, is quite useful
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If he was able to increase the amount of time he can hold a quirk for, then there's always the possibility that he grabbed a few of his classmate's quirks before the match started too.
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Rhonne posted:If he was able to increase the amount of time he can hold a quirk for, then there's always the possibility that he grabbed a few of his classmate's quirks before the match started too. He was only able to hold one quirk at a time during the sports festival.
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Rouncer posted:He was only able to hold one quirk at a time during the sports festival. He can hold multiple, but he can only use them one at a time. So no comboing quirks like All For One did.
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Wait, why is everyone assuming that Momoma taking Deku’s power accumulation quirk would be anything other than a good gag when it does nothing since it hasn’t accumulated any power yet?
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Last Celebration posted:Wait, why is everyone assuming that Momoma taking Deku’s power accumulation quirk would be anything other than a good gag when it does nothing since it hasn’t accumulated any power yet? What's to stop Monoma from copying the accumulated power?
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