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Göran Therborn has written a pretty thorough english-language analysis of the current political situation in Sweden for the New Left Review, with particular emphasis on the decline of the Social Democrats: https://newleftreview.org/II/113/goran-therborn-twilight-of-swedish-social-democracy It seems to give a decent, structurally grounded background to swedish politics, so I thought I would post it here. Not from Sweden though, so I'm not the best judge. Here's a couple of choice cuts: quote:
quote:What’s the matter with Scania? One major contributing factor is the region’s proximity to Denmark [...]
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How dare he s-quote:...with its recent currents of rowdy petty-bourgeois populism and xenophobia. Well, can't argue with that.
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Dec 12, 2018 14:11
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So is the Annie Lööf strategy to just keep saying no to every possible combination until everyone gives up and she gets the job?
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Dec 12, 2018 15:13
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Clayton Bigsby posted:So is the Annie Lööf strategy to just keep saying no to every possible combination until everyone gives up and she gets the job? Someone had to be head guillotine tester in the future V majority government. Let her do that.
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Dec 12, 2018 15:21
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Clayton Bigsby posted:So is the Annie Lööf strategy to just keep saying no to every possible combination until everyone gives up and she gets the job? In the mind of Annie Lööf there is only Annie, the rest of us are just a figment of her imagination.
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Dec 12, 2018 16:31
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So much for the politically neutral budget. M + KD + SD is a thing already in budget negotiations, why not just make it official? https://www.dn.se/ekonomi/just-nu-riksdagen-rostar-om-budgeten/ quote:Riksdagen har antagit Moderaternas och Kristdemokraternas budgetmotion. Med en knapp majoritet vann den över regeringens övergångsbudget. I don't really need a raise at the expense of others getting less. I kinda feel like I am not taxed enough at this point in Sweden... Dirk Pitt fucked around with this message at 16:47 on Dec 12, 2018 |
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Dec 12, 2018 16:42
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it just struck me that the danish government is still hanging on despite a single-seat majority supporting a comparatively tiny party how the gently caress is that happening
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Dec 12, 2018 16:54
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Racism's one hell of a drug.
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Dec 12, 2018 17:02
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V. Illych L. posted:it just struck me that the danish government is still hanging on despite a single-seat majority supporting a comparatively tiny party With much despair.
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Dec 12, 2018 17:03
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Most of the left wing is just as racist and bourgeoise and supports them as well. We're down to two or three actual leftist parties, depending on how you count the social liberals.
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Dec 12, 2018 17:06
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So Janne & Annie are OK with politics that are dependent on SD but not a statsminister/regering? Can Steffe refuse to get voted on? Because he should, obviously C&L have changed their minds. And letting them vote no to him again only gives them cover to say: "Well, we have to have a statsminister"
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Dec 12, 2018 17:18
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Dirk Pitt posted:So much for the politically neutral budget. M + KD + SD is a thing already in budget negotiations, why not just make it official? Anything interesting in there?
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Dec 12, 2018 17:44
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Dirk Pitt posted:
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Dec 12, 2018 17:47
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Katt posted:Anything interesting in there? Lower taxes for the rich, petrol and air travel. Less money to social and environmental work. So no, it's a very uninteresting right wing budget.
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Dec 12, 2018 17:48
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Potrzebie posted:Lower taxes for the rich, petrol and air travel. Less money to social and environmental work. So no, it's a very uninteresting right wing budget. Lol just as a gently caress you to anyone with a sense of solidarity, they abolished the tax break for union dues. What a poo poo show. Dirk Pitt fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Dec 12, 2018 |
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Dec 12, 2018 18:28
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Jämställdhetsmyndigheten is getting axed as well.
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Dec 12, 2018 18:44
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Dirk Pitt posted:Lol just as a gently caress you to anyone with a sense of solidarity, they abolished the tax break for union dues. What a poo poo show. Yeah that can not be anything else than a "gently caress you, worker!" Time to build guillotines.
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Dec 12, 2018 19:05
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Potrzebie posted:Yeah that can not be anything else than a "gently caress you, worker!" The more I think about this, the angrier I get. It is literally punishment to those who likely didn't vote for them. Just a huge "gently caress you, I need the money." The tax break was a joke, but I've never seen a "anti-tax" group raise taxes on a segment of the population so brazenly, and I am American. Dirk Pitt fucked around with this message at 10:23 on Dec 13, 2018 |
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Dec 13, 2018 10:17
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Oh, also, as if the nazi poo poo wasn't enough, the new residency rules mean 10,900 people will be disqualified from unemployment insurance.
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Dec 13, 2018 11:36
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zokie posted:So Janne & Annie are OK with politics that are dependent on SD but not a statsminister/regering? Can Steffe refuse to get voted on? Because he should, obviously C&L have changed their minds. And letting them vote no to him again only gives them cover to say: "Well, we have to have a statsminister" Annie is a goddamn charlatan, I cannot believe anyone actually buys the "decent liberal" act. She's so full of Randyan horseshit she couldnt tell an HDR report from a quarterly statement.
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Dec 13, 2018 13:07
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SplitSoul posted:Oh, also, as if the nazi poo poo wasn't enough, the new residency rules mean 10,900 people will be disqualified from unemployment insurance. Including me *and* my Danish GF.
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Dec 13, 2018 13:59
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The PM said children in poverty is "a challenge" and that's why we have things like Christmas charity. You know, the thing that's been enormously overburdened for years since especially single parents had their welfare eviscerated and WHY DO MUSLIMS GET IT TOO THEY CELEBRATE MUHAMMAD? The rest of the year thousands subsist on illegal* donations from strangers, but as the CEPOS director recently said, children actually learn a valuable lesson from poverty. I didn't read the rest because I blew a blood vessel in my eye, but I assume the lesson involves rushing to establish a think-tank for Randian sociopaths whose donations are deductible to the tune of 265% the maximum union membership deductible. *It's literally illegal to receive money from anyone else if you're on welfare. It will be deducted 1:1 from next month's transfer if discovered.
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Dec 13, 2018 14:20
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Rust Martialis posted:Including me *and* my Danish GF. This is astounding to me. When you hate brown people so much you are willing to gently caress over "your own population" to purge them. I'm sure ghetoplannen will gently caress things up more for the same morons that voted for the nazis to get cute trying to skirt EU law.
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Dec 13, 2018 14:22
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I had to explain to my boss at work there were A-Kasse changes starting Jan 1st. Most Danes aren't affected by it and really don't know about it. Basically, if you have to live in (Denmark or the EEA) for 6 of the last 7 years, or you cannot get A-Kasse, which is funded by deductions from your pay. Membership in an A-Kasse is voluntary, incidentally. There's also an initial 12 month period you can't claim benefits on first joining, but that's been there a while. I came to DK in August 2017, and joined the A-Kasse with PROSA, the IT Nerd "union". As of 01 Sept 2018, I was eligible for benefits should I lose my job. As of January 1, 2019, I will become ineligible until September 2023. My GF spent about 3 years in the USA and Canada in grad school. She came back to Denmark before me in September 2016. She, born in Denmark and living in Denmark her whole life until grad school, is ineligible until early 2023 as well, in spite of years paying A-Kasse beforehand and since returning. You can get the integration payment instead but IIRC you have got to be absolutely broke. And it's poo poo money anyhow. So in January I just cancel my A-Kasse membership until 2022. It's like 1000kr pr. måned
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Dec 13, 2018 14:52
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Dirk Pitt posted:This is astounding to me. When you hate brown people so much you are willing to gently caress over "your own population" to purge them. I'm sure ghetoplannen will gently caress things up more for the same morons that voted for the nazis to get cute trying to skirt EU law. The EU and the constitution are pretty specific about the whole "discrimination" thing, so we're forced to go through all sorts of loopholes to mostly target immigrants rather than solely targeting them, which is an acceptable sacrifice since it mostly hits people who wouldn't vote for the racists anyway. The nativists floated the idea of signing out of the EUHRC with the ironclad argument of "it's not like we wouldn't have human rights without it," but that at least was still a bridge too far.
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Dec 13, 2018 15:08
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Rust Martialis posted:So in January I just cancel my A-Kasse membership until 2022. It's like 1000kr pr. måned  Swedish A-kasse would be about 1/10:th of that for your profession. And you'd be eligible after 6 months.
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Dec 13, 2018 15:43
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Potrzebie posted:
Things can always get worse here too as yesterday was a stark reminder of. 
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Dec 13, 2018 16:37
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Dirk Pitt posted:This is astounding to me. When you hate brown people so much you are willing to gently caress over "your own population" to purge them. I'm sure ghetoplannen will gently caress things up more for the same morons that voted for the nazis to get cute trying to skirt EU law. They typically don't live anywhere near immigrants, so probably not. They're often old, however, and will feel the full brunt of further cutbacks on healthcare. There should be a cut-off age for voting.
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Dec 13, 2018 17:08
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https://twitter.com/anderslindberg/status/1073095584242896896?s=21
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Dec 13, 2018 17:10
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Moderaterna continues being a party with garbage people for garbage people.
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Dec 13, 2018 18:00
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I told a former coworker about the new budget. Told him how union membership fees would no longer be tax deductible and his response was "good. It's not right that as an SD voter my money should go to the social democrats. I tried to explain this was not how it worked at all and that he would now be paying additional tax that would go to the rich. He responded with a rant about how he voted Palme and liked the social democrats better then. He also talked about how more people die from Traffic accidents in Afghanistan than from terror attacks and so it's ridiculous for people from there to claim asylum. The next rant was about how the people who handle immigrants make billions every year and so it's no wonder that they push for more asylum seeker. He then said that was was hypocritical for Sweden to accept refugees from Yemen when Sweden sells Saudi Arabia 200 billion kr worth of weapons every year. That some big expensive dinner was hosted where dictators were invited but SD were excluded. I wonder if I can track down what particular internet shithole he gets his news from based on his news flow. I accused him of picking up nazi news on facebook but he claims he got it all from Aftonbladet. Katt fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Dec 13, 2018 |
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Dec 13, 2018 19:03
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wtf is he not unionised
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Dec 13, 2018 19:08
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fukken idiot why would you not be unionised in scandinavia you have basically no rights if you're not in a unionised workplace
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Dec 13, 2018 19:09
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V. Illych L. posted:wtf is he not unionised He is in the union and has been for decades. It greatly bothers him that through LO his union fees are funnelled into the social democrats.
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Dec 13, 2018 19:13
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well one imagines part of the reason was to prevent stuff like this from happening too bad social democracy entered a blind alley in the eighties and still hasn't emerged
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Dec 13, 2018 19:17
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Everything is just...   Zulily Zoetrope posted:The EU and the constitution are pretty specific about the whole "discrimination" thing, so we're forced to go through all sorts of loopholes to mostly target immigrants rather than solely targeting them, which is an acceptable sacrifice since it mostly hits people who wouldn't vote for the racists anyway. The nativists floated the idea of signing out of the EUHRC with the ironclad argument of "it's not like we wouldn't have human rights without it," but that at least was still a bridge too far.  "We'd like to horribly discriminate and hurt immigrants." "OMG you can't do that!" "Uh... what if we also included poor people?" "Sure that's fine. gently caress the poor. Also immigrants. Filthy untermenschen." Poil fucked around with this message at 22:58 on Dec 13, 2018 |
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Dec 13, 2018 19:29
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Katt posted:He responded with a rant about how he voted Palme and liked the social democrats better then. Well, they were a helluva lot more left wing economically back then, you should have asked if that was that why he liked them.
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Dec 14, 2018 07:27
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His Divine Shadow posted:Well, they were a helluva lot more left wing economically back then, you should have asked if that was that why he liked them. I think he's just super racist to be honest.
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Dec 14, 2018 08:21
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So we need a government that doesn't have the support of SD. But we also need a budget that has the support of SD. And no one can figure out how to get the first according to Annie. That makes total sense to me.
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His Divine Shadow posted:Well, they were a helluva lot more left wing economically back then, you should have asked if that was that why he liked them. Palme de-regulated the banks and inadvertently caused the 90's crash.
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