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His Divine Shadow posted:In Finland we have hot cooked lunches in schools and daycare. I remember actually quite fondly the food from junior grades 1-6, I went to a small rural school and the cook and a helper made the food in the local kitchen. No reheated lovely food from centralized kitchens. I think it's from here my hatred of centralization of people, political power, kitchens, everything, began.
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So uh, is L/C going to give in now that we might actually face a second election? Been seeing some noise about L being in dire straits financially, and with the latest kick in the nuts to Cs opinion polling, neither would stand to perform well.
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so that means I can be a cheapskate and post about posting instead of having some wit or spending any more on comedy avs for people. Which I'm also incapable of. Comedy.
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You're forgetting that C is the only party with money to run an actual campaign this soon after an election.
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Looking forward to seeing Alliansen coming up with a coherent regeringsförslag.
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zokie posted:Looking forward to seeing Alliansen coming up with a coherent regeringsförslag. 
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C seeing that poll has to have them concerned about nyval. I expect them to about face and cozy up to Uffe and SD.
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Does the system even demand a nyval now that there's a budget?
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Katt posted:Does the system even demand a nyval now that there's a budget? After four failed rounds of statsministeromröstningar a new election have to be called within 3 months. Technically you could choose to never do all four votes and not having an election but that's probably bad for democracy.
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Fader Movitz posted:After four failed rounds of statsministeromröstningar a new election have to be called within 3 months. Technically you could choose to never do all four votes and not having an election but that's probably bad for democracy. What's the count now and when was the last vote?
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Dirk Pitt posted:C seeing that poll has to have them concerned about nyval. I expect them to about face and cozy up to Uffe and SD. Or rather start acting reasonable, Annie is not going to be statsminister no matter how much she wants it. She needs to realise that she became a media darling because they needed a face for Alliansen when they went after Batra-bot
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Katt posted:What's the count now and when was the last vote? 2 votes have happened. Last one was last Wednesday I think.
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zokie posted:Or rather start acting reasonable, Annie is not going to be statsminister no matter how much she wants it. She needs to realise that she became a media darling because they needed a face for Alliansen when they went after Batra-bot Are Ayn Rand fanboys (who make it into government, I’m not talking about the C goons and people I know) really reasonable? I’ll continue to be pleasantly surprised that they haven’t cozied up to SD, but I fully expect all liberals to turn at any moment.
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Looking at what their voters want Janne should cave first, but he promised his kid(s?) not to and as a fellow dad I'm going to have to hope he keeps that promise. The choice they have is to either join Uffe, which I don't think is very likely, or abstain like with the budget and then keep on abstaining. But that's completely abdicating posts as riksdagsmän, and should lead to an absolute slaughter in 4 years.
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C and L are in a really bad spot. Their right-wing voters hate that the parties can't just swallow their pride and join an Alliance government with explicit SD support, and they also hate that they even considered joining an S government. Their left wing voters, on the other hand, would loving crucify them if they bent over and cooperated with the racists. There's no way they're coming out of this without losing a big chunk of voters, and that likely means slipping below the 4% limit. If I were the brain trust within C or L, I'd grab any deal I could get to avoid a new election and just ride out the next four years.
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Yesterday Plague Island, pension cuts and criminalisation of 10-year-olds was put to vote, and all people could talk about was somebody getting triggered by "Den danske sang er en ung, blond pige" at CBS. Two years ago. The PM and Minster of Justice just had to comment on that most important of issues.
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Mr. Sunshine posted:C and L are in a really bad spot. Their right-wing voters hate that the parties can't just swallow their pride and join an Alliance government with explicit SD support, and they also hate that they even considered joining an S government. Their left wing voters, on the other hand, would loving crucify them if they bent over and cooperated with the racists. There's no way they're coming out of this without losing a big chunk of voters, and that likely means slipping below the 4% limit. I have a hard time seeing how they could come to any other decision than joining up with S (if they act rational that is.) Sure they stand to lose a few of their right leaning voters but they probably stand to gain a few voters from S who are more liberal-minded but can't support a party who will cooperate with M. If they join up with SD I have a hard time seeing them gaining any voters, because most people who support that wouldn't vote for them anyway if they aren't already.
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SplitSoul posted:Yesterday Plague Island, pension cuts and criminalisation of 10-year-olds was put to vote, and all people could talk about was somebody getting triggered by "Den danske sang er en ung, blond pige" at CBS. Two years ago. The PM and Minster of Justice just had to comment on that most important of issues. And it's on the front page of several newspapers. It's absolutely insane. Or not, it's obviously very deliberate.
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Why does this kind of poo poo not automatically result in impeachment hearings? It's literally state-funded pre-election propaganda that doesn't even try to adhere to minimum standards for methodology. That the press runs with it should be no surprise. https://www.facebook.com/steffen.groth.77/posts/10217261605483396
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Because no one has the non-gender-specific balls to do anything, because they don't actually care.
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Cakebaker posted:I have a hard time seeing how they could come to any other decision than joining up with S (if they act rational that is.) Sure they stand to lose a few of their right leaning voters but they probably stand to gain a few voters from S who are more liberal-minded but can't support a party who will cooperate with M. If they join up with SD I have a hard time seeing them gaining any voters, because most people who support that wouldn't vote for them anyway if they aren't already. Well, it is obvious what happens when you join up with S, just ask MP, Fp and C, cause they all have experienced it. Also, lol, at trying to get a working coalition consisting of S, MP, C and L that needs support (read: is extorted) from V. The train wreck we had during the last 4 years will be nothing in comparison to that. One funny thing in the whole mess is that V really needs to make sure to extort as much as possible before agreeing to such a coalition, since once it have been accepted they have very little power unless they plan to vote on a M-KD budget supported by SD. And as for SD, apparently one can put forward a budget that will be tolerated by SD without having actual negotiations with them. Which of course S knows, since they did it 2010, when they made a similar budget reservation as M-KD did now. As for me, I am just happy to see one of my pre-election predictions coming true, which was to see the amount of poo poo (and shoes) that Annie Lööf would have to swallow.
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Dirk Pitt posted:https://www.dn.se/nyheter/politik/lofven-beredd-att-kompromissa-om-arbetsratten/ Being at Newark is punishment enough in it self without reading long interviews with politicians talking about the regering of their hearts
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SplitSoul posted:Yesterday Plague Island, pension cuts and criminalisation of 10-year-olds was put to vote, and all people could talk about was somebody getting triggered by "Den danske sang er en ung, blond pige" at CBS. Two years ago. The PM and Minster of Justice just had to comment on that most important of issues. After finally finishing out a completely insane work year, I walked down to our Christmas gløgg gathering yesterday, and the first thing I hear is five secretaries talking about how 'if they don't like our songs, why don't they just go home to heir own country?', 'what a hysterical cow' and 'are we not even allowed to sing a Danish song anymore?' and joking about someone should be careful because they were humming the tune of 'højt fra træets grønne top' that a birch or a fir tree might be offended . These are, unfortunately, pretty normal people - Denmark is completely lost. The loving immigration/culture outrage machine just works so effectively. And as you say, the loving PM comments on this story and like half the politicians in Denmark, but no one says anything about how they doing more austerity measures in the new finance law, reducing public spending more than they originally intended, in yet another 'starve the beast' attempt. I mean, they're certainly getting there with the hospitals and social services, but who gives a poo poo, some dirty immigrant felt weird about a Danish song 2 years ago, journalist form up! Clear the headlines, get the cameras rolling, what does the PM think about this top story about immigrant CENSURSHIP!!!! of Danish values. Jesus loving, did someone see how efficient the 'baby it's cold outside' thing was at generating outrage and just replicate it here? Literally no one, who wasn't in a choir, knew that song before this, or gave a gently caress about it. E: oh, and it's a real poo poo song too Ee: obviously DR did an important background story with the guy who selects songs for the højskole book and he thought it was amazing (obviously) and was very sad that people wanted to get rid of it, which literally no one has wanted to. Except me, from now on. Revelation 2-13 fucked around with this message at 08:42 on Dec 21, 2018 |
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Katt posted:I told a former coworker about the new budget. Told him how union membership fees would no longer be tax deductible and his response was "good. It's not right that as an SD voter my money should go to the social democrats. Update: Apparently Lucia has been banned in schools this year to not offend Islamists Child marriage was made illegal which means it must have been legal up until now. How on earth could child marriage have been legal Schools no longer end the semester in church in order to appease Islamists. The conversation went like this  Schools no longer end the semester in church in order to appease Islamists. Good. Children should be kept out of church to protect them from religious indoctrination Yes but they did it because the Muslims Na they did it because Atheists like me made a fuss about it (probably a lie on my part but whatever lets ride this out) You yourself complain about the pingstvänner always bothering you. Surely you don't want the church to get a grip on your grandchildren The church is not pingstvänner. Pingstvänner is a new thing. The church is err Luth... Luth Lutheran? Yes! Sort of I guess. And it's about tradition and not religion. The priest would probably disagree with you. It's still a Christian church and we should try to keep children out of there Yes but that's not why the schools are banning it. They're doing it to appease the Muslims!
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Katt posted:Child marriage was made illegal which means it must have been legal up until now. How on earth could child marriage have been legal It wasn't, but foreign underage marriages used to work like any other foreign civil agreement and were recognized here if they were legally entered into in the country of origin, unless it could be proven that one of the parties were under duress. Of course being married doesn't change any consent laws or anything like that, so as far as I understand it the legal difference is kinda pointless.
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TheFluff posted:It wasn't, but foreign underage marriages used to work like any other foreign civil agreement and were recognized here if they were legally entered into in the country of origin, unless it could be proven that one of the parties were under duress. Of course being married doesn't change any consent laws or anything like that, so as far as I understand it the legal difference is kinda pointless. Or do like Inger Støjberg and cause suicide attempts when illegally separating refugee couples aged 17 and 19, but be sure not to draw any attention to your middle-aged party colleague who hosed a child and was allowed to run again for the party locally. Also be sure to insinuate that the opposition condones pedophilia when they correctly point out that having no means to appeal violates human rights. And Danes harangue Americans over the Trump shitshow.
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Dirk Pitt posted:2 votes have happened. Last one was last Wednesday I think. So at this rate we get a reelection in.... June? Does the system have any failsafe to keep them from prolonging prime minister votes?
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Katt posted:So at this rate we get a reelection in.... June? April actually at the latest if Norlen sticks to his self-imposed deadline. And no, there are no rules to get out of the process short of changing Regeringsformen itself. The process will go on at the pace the Talman decides.
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Katt posted:
In 2016?
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MiddleOne posted:In 2016? Those geniuses who tried to burn down a synagogue and manged to burn themselves and get caught perhaps? That could have been two years ago.
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how does that list not have jews as a target in hungary
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Hey look which schmucks got new avatars for christmas. Again. 
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MiddleOne posted:Hey look which schmucks got new avatars for christmas. Again. It's a Christmas miracle!
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Katt posted:
It's about political parties and politicians, so it could be any of the explicitly nazi parties, or "accidental" anti-Jewish rhetoric by random SD politicians.
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Mooey Cow posted:It's about political parties and politicians, so it could be any of the explicitly nazi parties, or "accidental" anti-Jewish rhetoric by random SD politicians. Aren't SD notoriously pro-zionist? They even want to move the Swedish embassy from Tel-Aviv to Jerusalem.
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Katt posted:Aren't SD notoriously pro-zionist? it's really easy to be both pro-israel and antisemitic
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Katt posted:Aren't SD notoriously pro-zionist? Officially yes, but there are a lot of old nazis out there that get put on SD's election lists that haven't quite gotten the memo yet that they are supposed to act respectable now. Tbh, part of it is also a front to piss off the even-more-nazis so they can point to them and say "see, the real nazis hate us, we can't be that bad".
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SD straddle the fault line between old racism (hating Jews) and new racism (hating Muslims) although the antisemitism is definitely more fringe and not an integral part of the party’s fabric, like islamophobia.
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