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That makes sense, thank you. I had no idea it was illegal in IBJJF
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spb posted:That makes sense, thank you. I had no idea it was illegal in IBJJF Trachea crushing is also illegal in MMA, but putting your palm over your opponents mouth (like you're trying to stop them from talking) is entirely legal so long as you dont pinch the nose or stick a finger inside their mouth.
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We got a new white belt who is a 6'3" former wrestler and rolling with him is hilarious because he whips my rear end but doesnt know how to sub so he just kind of randomly tugs on poo poo
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spb posted:Is there any reason why you can't just wrap your hands around your partners neck and choke them that way? As opposed to all these other fancy choking methods from mount or closed guard. Rules. I think its good to train for however. Its been a long time since I've done anything like that, but when you're neck/head is pinned to the ground I found its very difficult to swing my hips up for an armbar. And speaking of smothering: are there any defense techniques against this? Its frowned upon or illegal in most places, but its legal in some competitions, in MMA, and on the street. I'm curious as to how guys deal with it. Count Roland fucked around with this message at 14:34 on Dec 23, 2018 |
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Count Roland posted:And speaking of smothering: are there any defense techniques against this? Its frowned upon or illegal in most places, but its legal in some competitions, in MMA, and on the street. I'm curious as to how guys deal with it. Depends, if you do it like Gordon Ryan does it, where you have one arm occupied by leg the other by your own arm you can really only defend it by moving your head, however; this exposes your neck to a strangle.
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Count Roland posted:And speaking of smothering: are there any defense techniques against this? Its frowned upon or illegal in most places, but its legal in some competitions, in MMA, and on the street. I'm curious as to how guys deal with it. Bite the hand that’s smothering your mouth
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SHOAH NUFF posted:Bite the hand that’s smothering your mouth That's when the other guy stops playing nice and just goes for the face lock instead of trying to get you to open your neck up to a strangle.
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spb posted:Is there any reason why you can't just wrap your hands around your partners neck and choke them that way? As opposed to all these other fancy choking methods from mount or closed guard.
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Yuns posted:In training, I do this to people who try to north/south choke me and leave my arms free. It's pretty funny when they realize that the n/s choke isn't working but mine is. 
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Is there an easy way to remember thumb inside = pass, fingers inside=choke?
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spb posted:Is there an easy way to remember thumb inside = pass, fingers inside=choke? Fingers inside pass, fingers outside choke
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Neither of those are really firm rules
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Could someone elaborate as to what the rule is? I haven't heard of it.
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Sounds like nonsense
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Count Roland posted:Could someone elaborate as to what the rule is? I haven't heard of it. Its probably not a hard rule but its a tip a blue belt I was rolling with gave me If your opponent has a cross collar grip with the fingers inside the lapel, it makes his arm more flexible so he is more likely to try a pass. If he grabs the collar with the thumb inside, it makes his arm more stable and he is more likely to be trying for a choke.
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This doesn't seem like a hard rule to remember. Nor does it seem like a very true one. I have never done a cross collar choke with the thumb inside on my initial grip hand....
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JaySB posted:This doesn't seem like a hard rule to remember. Nor does it seem like a very true one. It’s hard for me to remember as a stupid white belt
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What you want to do is go for a deep cross collar choke with your finger and thumb on the inside, and then slide your hand down into his sleeve. Then hip switch and do the same with your other arm so that you're wearing your opponent's jacket like it's your jacket and they get turned into a human backpack
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JaySB posted:
Sword choke and bread slicers are two common attacks where the initial grip is thumb in  edit: Helio choke and back lapel chokes(Bow and arrow/wing choke) are common thumb goes in first attacks. Defenestrategy fucked around with this message at 23:04 on Dec 24, 2018 |
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Defenestrategy posted:Sword choke and bread slicers are two common attacks where the initial grip is thumb in I was referring specifically to the cross collar choke, I'm well aware of a bunch of thumb in grip chokes as well as 4 fingers in so I'm not really sure how this is a rule one way or the other.
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Defenestrategy posted:edit: Helio choke and back lapel chokes(Bow and arrow/wing choke) are common thumb goes in first attacks. Not really worried about the pass are we if they have our back...
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lol if you know what to do with lapels
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02-6611-0142-1 posted:lol if you know what to do with lapels Get choked by your own duh E: also sometimes get choked by other people’s too can’t believe I forgot that one butros fucked around with this message at 23:58 on Dec 24, 2018 |
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A guy from my old gym who likes to cross-train stopped by my current gym for the Christmas open mat this morning and one of the upper belts insisted on turning my friendly catch-up roll with him into a Serious Business tournament match with him reffing and everything for whatever reason. I put him to sleep and felt like a jerk even though (probably because) he was super cool about it.
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You could just give up an easy tap, repeat until the upper belt leaves you alone.
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ihop posted:You could just give up an easy tap, repeat until the upper belt leaves you alone. This goes against my BJJ morals, I don't think I could ever give up an easy tap vs a higher belt. To a lower belt yeah, if I was showing them something. But willingly lose... no, I don't think I could do that.
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Lol
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Count Roland posted:This goes against my BJJ morals, I don't think I could ever give up an easy tap vs a higher belt. To a lower belt yeah, if I was showing them something. But willingly lose... no, I don't think I could do that. Same
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Sounds like you're training at Cobra Kai.
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Count Roland posted:This goes against my BJJ morals, I don't think I could ever give up an easy tap vs a higher belt. To a lower belt yeah, if I was showing them something. But willingly lose... no, I don't think I could do that. I went to the gym of my first coach today, haven't seen him in 12 years. Had super fun just loving around. Rolled with a guy who started after me, who I know from back then, who is now a black belt (I'm a blue belt). He's way smaller than me and when I had a rear naked choke on him I just let it go because I knew he let me have it and BJJ is just dumb when it's serious business at a Boxing Day open mat. C'mon man, are you 20 or something?
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What other bjj morals are there
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I got my first ever submission last week, a kimura from side control on a fellow white belt. I really enjoy side control, to the point where I don't like to go for mount because I have better ability maintaining side control than mount. I've also really enjoying going for the kimura in side control because its pretty low risk, usually when I go for other submissions I lose my position, but with a kimura even if I can't finish it I can use it to control the guys upper body, unlike other subs where not finishing it means you are at risk, I think with a kimura if I can't finish it at worse I have a control deep in the other guys arm, like a russian tie
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SHOAH NUFF posted:I don't like to go for mount because I have better ability maintaining side control than mount. I feel you buddy, and from talking at my gym this is pretty normal
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starkebn posted:I feel you buddy, and from talking at my gym this is pretty normal This is one of the things I've been working on. I've seen people (maybe here?) remark that when you're new side feels stronger, but at higher levels mount proves better - so I've been exploring getting and holding mount and hunting for subs from there. Now this kinda leads me to another question I've been mulling - another thing I've been "exploring" - does anyone have any good suggestions for competition footage which includes sequences in which people work relatively basic stuff, at high levels, progressively through resistance? E.g. Nicky Ryan's sequence vs Imanari once he gets mount shows him using relatively basic elbow opening techinques and succeding with them, but slowly.
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CommonShore posted:Now this kinda leads me to another question I've been mulling - another thing I've been "exploring" - does anyone have any good suggestions for competition footage which includes sequences in which people work relatively basic stuff, at high levels, progressively through resistance? E.g. Nicky Ryan's sequence vs Imanari once he gets mount shows him using relatively basic elbow opening techinques and succeding with them, but slowly. Anything with Roger Gracie in it?
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Jack B Nimble posted:Sounds like you're training at Cobra Kai. No, not at all. But having trained at multiple gyms in multiple cities, I almost never see people giving up taps, and its baffling to me that someone would give up a tap to a higher belt. I mean, they're a higher belt, they can tap you just fine anyway. Its like you're purposefully making their training useless and boring so they leave you alone, which is awful.
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I mostly meant that "put him to sleep" sounded like a bit much for a guest mat day, but I could be reading too much into it/confusing Jiu Jitsu with ballet.
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Jits is a two way street. I am in a RNC and the suns getting real low, may I should tap before I go to sleep. I have my partner in a RNC dead to rights and he's being real stupid. I should probably let go before he gets more brain damage and becomes stupider than he already is. edit: In a competition setting, screw it he signed a waiver and as long as what you are doing is legal as per competition rules do what ever, but in training you should seek to minimize any sort of damage to yourself and training partners no matter how stupid they're being.
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SHOAH NUFF posted:I got my first ever submission last week Hell yeah bro
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Defenestrategy posted:Jits is a two way street. I would err on the side of being lenient. When I started I didn't know what a lot of stuff "felt like". I got put to sleep simply because I didn't know what it felt like when someone had you in a choke you weren't going to be able to get out of.
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