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Normal Adult Human posted:plato had slaves and hosed children and nobody ever calls him out on it I do like whenever Lucian has Socrates blurt out "I'm a pederast!" in his dialogues.
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cda posted:Was going to do this one but not a good enough writer imo. On the other hand Ezra Pound supported the Italian fascists in WWII. your example of a 'good enough writer' is Ezra loving Pound? lmao H.D. Thought it'd be a good idea to marry Ezra Pound (until she came to her senses)
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neil gaiman and terry pratchett are also probably wretched pederasts (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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If you think about it, glorifying "norse" "culture" is worse than glorifying african slavery. Either way, i hope Chinua Achebe is rotting in hell.
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Normal Adult Human posted:neil gaiman and terry pratchett are also probably wretched pederasts neil gaiman voluntarily married amanda “loving” palmer
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cda posted:"Combining the crackling voice of Philip Roth with the encyclopedic mind of David Foster Wallace..." lol yeah gee I wonder if he's a dip poo poo The reviewers are all annoying shits too.
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Wanted By Weed posted:I had recently heard about how Allan Ginsberg was an overt and outspoken advocate of NAMBLA, and admitted that he "loved boys." "Who wants to sleep with a famous poet" was the line he used when visiting Ann Arbor. At least most students there are adults
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foucault lobbied against age of consent laws and thought that the idea that a child was incapable of giving consent was a form of abuse
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Feb 14, 2019 19:04
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All the big 20th-century French names were pedophiles and/or Nazi capitulators. Foucault was a drop in the bucket signing that petition.
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Feb 14, 2019 19:11
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Tolkien supported segregation. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Tolkien supported segregation. Cite? He explicitly opposed apartheid. http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Racism_in_Tolkien%27s_Works Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Feb 14, 2019 |
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He defended it as Governor, hence his famous slogan "segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever in Arda"
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) lol hieronymous come on
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chernobyl kinsman posted:lol hieronymous come on Looks like someone got segregated
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chernobyl kinsman posted:lol hieronymous come on yeah i mean i can put together a “tolkien had regressive racial ideas” case without breaking a hermeneutical sweat
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Tree Goat posted:yeah i mean i can put together a “tolkien had regressive racial ideas” case without breaking a hermeneutical sweat Yup, and that's fine, I just don't want this thread clogged with lazy fake bullshit. (See: the first probation on this same page). Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 05:04 on Feb 15, 2019 |
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Feb 15, 2019 04:58
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But BotLs claim wasnt fake
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also you only probed that guy for 3 days but botl got a week 
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:He defended it as Governor, hence his famous slogan "segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever in Arda" This is the level of humor you guys are defending lol.
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I laughed, albeit at the audacity of such a lovely joke rather than the joke itself.
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Tree Goat posted:neil gaiman voluntarily married amanda “loving” palmer tbf they are in an open marriage were that me I would openly not return her calls or see her ever and quite frankly she can gently caress around for all I care
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Tom Clancy is the proto armchair general who did a McCain on his wife what a wankoff
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the amazing potential of the retroactive literature thought police thread, rofl. tolkien converted CS Lewis to christianity, which is pretty loving atrocious. Normal Adult Human fucked around with this message at 13:29 on Feb 15, 2019 |
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G.K. Chesterton had some weird opinions on jews even as he furiously attacked both nazism and eugenics, But the real problem I got with him is his incurious elitism when it comes to class warfare.
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I remember reading that some society of Chesterton scholars dedicated an entire issue of its journal to explaining how he wasn't actually anti-semitic (he was actually anti-semitic).
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I'm sure it's just that intellectual incuriousity : obviously as a devout Christian he knew that nazism and discrimination is wrong but he had no desire to actually find out how Jewish people lived and how they viewed the world. And he kinda fell in love with the medieval Christian world (that's where segregated ghettos were made into a thing)
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By popular demand posted:
It is weird. Like, he clearly gets that class issues are a problem -- he talks about them at length in Charles Dickens, Last of the Great Men. I think it's the catholicism combined with his own upper-class status leading to class complacency. It's very rare for an upper-class author to write with any sensitivity at all on class issues and usually requires (as in the case of Dickens) direct lived experience of lower-class life.
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To be clear: unlike many other people who define themselves as Christians, G.K. actually held mercy and love as values. It's just that he carefully avoided consideration of how other people's lives actually go, as opposed to how he 'felt' those lives go.
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By popular demand posted:G.K. Chesterton had some weird opinions on jews even as he furiously attacked both nazism and eugenics, Not quite sure what you mean by this; from what I've read of him, "incurious anti-elitism" would be putting it better. He was prone to idealization of "the common man," and frankly to anti-intellectualism. These tendencies led him to attack not only eugenics but also monopolistic businesses, aristocrats, the proto-libertarian aspects of Manchester liberalism, and the authoritarian aspects of the Fabian socialism. But his proposed alternative to these things (a redistribution of property so that as many people as possible could become small farmers and artisans), while at least reflecting basically sane moral instincts, involved a lot of wishful thinking, and his attack on anyone perceived as elitist, in combination with his criticisms of capitalism and socialism and his admiration for medieval Europe, led him toward anti-semitism, among other terrible ideas. Silver2195 fucked around with this message at 00:07 on Feb 16, 2019 |
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:It is weird. Like, he clearly gets that class issues are a problem -- he talks about them at length in Charles Dickens, Last of the Great Men. And with great brevity in the last stanza of the short poem "Elegy in a Country Churchyard". I always rather liked that. The men that worked for England They have their graves at home: And bees and birds of England About the cross can roam. But they that fought for England, Following a falling star, Alas, alas for England They have their graves afar. And they that rule in England, In stately conclave met, Alas, alas for England, They have no graves as yet.
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I was going to post Orson Scott Card but someone beat me to it. I got some Ender books in a big collection and I didn't like them. In fact I thought they were so bad that I had to google them to see if anyone else on the internet had heard about them. Turns out they are pretty drat popular Which surprised me because I thought they were all legendarily bad. The author also goes into great detail with scenes of naked children in the showers and how slippery they are and their development or lack thereof. I was sure this guy was either in prison or on his way there. He also paints a view of the world where the middle east is wholly defined by terrorism and their final rejection of terrorism lead them into enlightenment (but then they fall back into terrorism) There also a whole book about how the hero and his girlfriend are having children in vitro and the villain steals the fertilized eggs and the hero then spends a whole book travelling the world and trying to recover "my babies". As opposed to just, You know, going back to the doctor and jacking off in a new tube and doing it again. The whole story requires a very particular political affiliation to be taken seriously. I could also go on about how no female character ever have any agency but rather drift in the lake that is the story until a male character comes by and snags for an adventure before leaving them drifting in the lake again. Did anyone do Heinlein yet?
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Heinlein was a bad writer who jumped right off Pervert Cliff in his later years, but he's hard to really disparage as a person. For all the creepiness in his books, there aren't any horror stories about him harassing women in reality, and by all accounts, he and his wife were perfectly happy with each other to the end. Not a great guy, but certainly not worth this thread's time. Contrast that with Isaac Asimov, who was the archetypal male feminist who treats women like poo poo. Sham bam bamina! fucked around with this message at 11:41 on Feb 25, 2019 |
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Sham bam bamina! posted:Heinlein was a bad writer who jumped right off Pervert Cliff in his later years, but he's hard to really disparage as a person. For all the creepiness in his books, there aren't any horror stories about him harassing women in reality, and by all accounts, he and his wife were perfectly happy with each other to the end. Not a great guy, but certainly not worth this thread's time. What about all the fascism? Arthur C. Clarke for that scene in "Childhoods end(1953)" where the Overlords intervene to stop oppression of white people in South Africa.
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Katt posted:What about all the fascism? If you want to argue that Heinlein was a bad person because of his political ideas, sure, but you don't need a Nazi straw man for that. Sham bam bamina! fucked around with this message at 14:05 on Feb 25, 2019 |
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Katt posted:Arthur C. Clarke for that scene in "Childhoods end(1953)" where the Overlords intervene to stop oppression of white people in South Africa. Really? I read that as a simple "haha, nothing inherently special about white people, could be our turn to be oppressed next".
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Katt posted:I was going to post Orson Scott Card but someone beat me to it. drat dude just say hes a mormon. brevity is the soul of wit.
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its unfair to say the author of Starship Troopers is a nazi
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I would argue that it's unfair to call Heinlein "the author of Starship Troopers" as if he didn't write dozens of books that bear precious little resemblance to it, but I think he's awful anyway, so this is the last thing I'll say for him.
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Richard Feynman was a piece of poo poo rapist
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