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Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

https://kotaku.com/socialist-tabletop-game-reminded-me-that-you-have-to-st-1832463653

Holy hell this is the most loving rose emoji I've seen about TRPGs. I'm gonna write a badass d20 Maoist RPG so we don't have to use storygame crap.

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BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

THS posted:

it owns that i dont have to do anything to bring about the revolution, i will wait here until the armies of the third world show up to execute me. and i will thank them for it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwC416Dv_54

Graphic
Sep 4, 2018

It's like Lenin said
I knew Cuervo Jones was a cool motherfucker even when I was 11 and didn't know anything about politics

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
this is red guards but operating under a different front group name

the weird quietness over the holiday might not have been a cop thing but a compaction cycle

or a cop thing

https://twitter.com/AustinChronicle/status/1093959005138022400

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

lol next they'll hit kinky friedman's house and molly ivins' grave

i thought DOH predated RGA by a couple years

Graphic
Sep 4, 2018

It's like Lenin said
"defend our hoodz" lol

then there was that "blacks rule" fake vandalism thing. it's always the most "i'm MC Mike and I'm here to say" rear end white motherfuckers doing this

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

i say swears online posted:

lol next they'll hit kinky friedman's house and molly ivins' grave

i thought DOH predated RGA by a couple years
nah it's them plus other front groups such as serve the people, stonewall militant front (formerly RATPAC), the revolutionary student front, frente de liberacion

maybe some others :thunk:

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
interesting thread: https://rhizzone.net/forum/topic/14698/

they are very politically developed relative to us IMO

Graphic
Sep 4, 2018

It's like Lenin said
is it against the rules there to be a trotsky liker

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

interesting thread: https://rhizzone.net/forum/topic/14698/

they are very politically developed relative to us IMO

:chloe:

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

Plutonis posted:

https://kotaku.com/socialist-tabletop-game-reminded-me-that-you-have-to-st-1832463653

Holy hell this is the most loving rose emoji I've seen about TRPGs. I'm gonna write a badass d20 Maoist RPG so we don't have to use storygame crap.

huh. I read that headline and thought I was reading The Hard Times for a second.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

quote:

Ideological struggle isn’t allowed to “work” in the same way that it was during the 20th century. The existence of any class organization implies an ideological line and a political one; the dominant idea clearly exercises an influence on political action, and subsequent political action informs the further development of that idea. At certain junctures, the advancement of the political requires the transcendence of the idea. Strategies have to be transformed in order to meet new tactics suitable to a higher stage of development. The activity of a bourgeois-democratic revolution can’t complete the tasks of a proletarian one, for example. Up until the Soviet Union crashed and burned, and the internet was popularized, these struggles progressed in a more or less linear fashion, with trends and ideas clearly represented by individuals or groups in the same organization or contending ones. This is the format we’ve come to expect, simply because it’s sensible, translatable, and adaptable.

The actual, non-linear, and rhizomatic network of shiftless discussions on social media, that form the contemporary basis for the development of ideas, are something entirely different from the paper-based exchanges that structured the debates of the past. While an argument might be formed and expressed clearly in an essay, calculating the constellation of data-points that form a broad consensus on a particular argument, among thousands of people, is beyond basic human comprehension. Greater factors, like algorithmic bubbles and self-reinforcement, also contribute to the conception of half-baked ideas by leaving them unchallenged. The rapid cycles of discussion will generally out-pace the average observer’s ability to process and reflect on them, and the idea can easily come into the ownership of cliques and in-crowds. By the time it’s generalized, the premises and definition of the idea aren’t intended to be questioned; they are simply understood.

This is a totally memetic process. Sometimes people will assert ideas without an argument behind them, sometimes an argument without ideas, even against their better judgment. They’re so insecure whenever they’re criticized or questioned on those points, since the sole compelling reason for how they came to those beliefs is, “Because we all agreed that it was established.” Even if it’s relatively easy to explain why an idea came about, attempting to understand how it came about is almost inconceivable.

The popular emergence of this phenomenon is why Trump’s political successes hit the liberal commentariat like a rampaging dump truck in 2016; why there were attempts to indict Facebook, as if its code was anymore responsible for the election than Gutenberg was for the publication of Mein Kampf. “Trump won because White America is full of fascists”; “That day I noticed that everything was happening all at once.” Party leadership is bound to be in the same position soon. While the socialization of the technology that made these things possible is taken for granted, the reciprocal effect that technology has had on basic social processes isn’t taken into account whatsoever.

quote:

Nearly a decade ago, these were fundamental changes to social engagement and culture that no one could get off their minds. Nominal “left-libertarians” started lauding an emerging, consensus-based “mass democracy” with no leaders, hierarchies, or parties, derived from the apparent liberties and egalitarianism of social media; Facebook seemed to mobilize thousands of demonstrators on a dime to fight inequality and start revolutions; and, with the development of a globe-spanning social network that looked like it afforded all ideas equal value, big-tent strategies were implemented. Within a number of years, the intellectual leaders retired into “digital party” coalitions – collapsed or collapsing in on the weight of their contradictions – or the houseflipping business; the revolutionaries turned out to be fascists with State Department-funded PR teams; and the big-tents fragmented along political, class, national, and gender lines once everyone realized that they were living in a society. Today, their energetic, counter-cultural tech-optimism is the exclusive reserve of Taco Bell commercials and degenerate billionaires who pump their veins full of teenagers’ blood to live a little longer in their own paradise they’ve made everyone else’s hell. At the end of this episode, great humanity has come full circle to the horrifying conclusion that was only evident before our critical mass event: the internet is poo poo for despicable morons – please get the gently caress out.

Recalling these events is crucial: on one hand, they provided me with far more reasons to appreciate the merit of Marxism-Leninism as a political theory, even as an anarchist, in spite of the reputation of the parties; on the other, they depict events that did, objectively, occur in the real world and I didn’t imagine them, even if I fail to demonstrate the influence of the period on political discourse and social exchange.
that is pretty great

whoever this is i want to subscribe to their newsletter

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer
Can I ask what the deal with these Red Guard Austin folks is? I keep seeing people call them cop informants and it’s not clear to me what their goals even are or why you guys think that. I’m interested to understand since they’re not that far from me now.

THS
Sep 15, 2017

Lightning Knight posted:

Can I ask what the deal with these Red Guard Austin folks is? I keep seeing people call them cop informants and it’s not clear to me what their goals even are or why you guys think that. I’m interested to understand since they’re not that far from me now.

theyre defunct now, you missed the golden age by a year

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
the juche meme gang is apparently not well-appreciated by the DPRK

https://twitter.com/DPRK_KFAGreece/status/1093959642999410690

Autism Sneaks
Nov 21, 2016
https://twitter.com/getfiscal/status/1094110107212877824?s=19

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

interesting thread: https://rhizzone.net/forum/topic/14698/

they are very politically developed relative to us IMO

suffice it to say that socialism has been important to the rhizzone for more than *checks calendar* the last two years

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

Autism Sneaks posted:

https://twitter.com/getfiscal/status/1094110107212877824?s=19


suffice it to say that socialism has been important to the rhizzone for more than *checks calendar* the last two years

the drinking yourself to death subforum is getting a lot less traffic

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

the juche meme gang is apparently not well-appreciated by the DPRK

https://twitter.com/DPRK_KFAGreece/status/1093959642999410690

Lol, Kim Jong un PBUH

apropos to nothing
Sep 5, 2003

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

interesting thread: https://rhizzone.net/forum/topic/14698/

they are very politically developed relative to us IMO

sounds like this person had bad experiences with PSL and has decided those problems are the same ones as every other socialist party.

apropos to nothing
Sep 5, 2003
the op of that thread is complaining about how the PSL or whatever is disconnected from labor and only appeals to weird subculturists and then proceeds to write a billion pages about all the little maoist and ML parties that they know about and what problems they have and why. "wonder why we cant connect with normal workers" asks dude writing 10 page polemic about the red guards on an obscure spinoff politics forum

freckle
Apr 6, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo
lmao

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

ah i guess the red guards are good

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

apropos to nothing posted:

the op of that thread is complaining about how the PSL or whatever is disconnected from labor and only appeals to weird subculturists and then proceeds to write a billion pages about all the little maoist and ML parties that they know about and what problems they have and why. "wonder why we cant connect with normal workers" asks dude writing 10 page polemic about the red guards on an obscure spinoff politics forum

Every time a real life leftist acquantice who dresses like the virgin hoodie meme guy bemoans that he cant seem to connect with workers it's like buddy, have you tried not being so loving strange. Nobody is going to read your newspaper

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

apropos to nothing posted:

the op of that thread is complaining about how the PSL or whatever is disconnected from labor and only appeals to weird subculturists and then proceeds to write a billion pages about all the little maoist and ML parties that they know about and what problems they have and why. "wonder why we cant connect with normal workers" asks dude writing 10 page polemic about the red guards on an obscure spinoff politics forum

The part about people freaking out about trump launching cruise missiles and ww3 starting was lol as gently caress, honestly i couldn't read it all. It just all seemed like the punishment of some level of hell.

freckle
Apr 6, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo
are you a swamp maoist now, brutalist?

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

freckle posted:

are you a swamp maoist now, brutalist?

excuse me, plains Maoist

apropos to nothing
Sep 5, 2003

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005


Too many words

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
my main problem with internet marxists is that it's kinda hard to figure out when they're being ironic or completely serious

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Guess who just embraced Juche

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1094035813820784640

Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...


R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

apropos to nothing posted:

the op of that thread is complaining about how the PSL or whatever is disconnected from labor and only appeals to weird subculturists and then proceeds to write a billion pages about all the little maoist and ML parties that they know about and what problems they have and why. "wonder why we cant connect with normal workers" asks dude writing 10 page polemic about the red guards on an obscure spinoff politics forum

they have some interesting things to say but their experience doesn't track at all with mine dealing with orgs in non-online spaces. in part three they go on a wild loving tangent about china for whatever reason and connect it to this supposed cult of personality around deng xiaoping that i've literally never seen in the real world.

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

the most compelling part is how the red guards carry genuine commitments and reflect their ideology in practice, while others don't. the problem is, you remember what the red guards have done and go "oh yeah, they still suck and aren't building a movement at all."

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

they're also right about this specific moment being fertile ground for careerists and opportunists. but that's not some kind of revelation, as anyone who follows dsa politicking can attest.

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?

R. Guyovich posted:

they're also right about this specific moment being fertile ground for careerists and opportunists. but that's not some kind of revelation, as anyone who follows dsa politicking can attest.

A cautionary tale:

https://twitter.com/__Has_No_Name/status/1094041872001974272
https://twitter.com/__Has_No_Name/status/1094047451902693376

apropos to nothing
Sep 5, 2003
basically to avoid all that poo poo you need to table, which in my experience i will admit i have not seen PSL do so maybe thats the problem at the root of that ops problems with them if its soemthing they dont really do nationwide, though the op prolly wouldnt realize thats the issue. tabling puts you in contact with non radicalized people and forces you to talk about your politics to people who arent already communists. in doing so they also inform you about what issues matter to them and you can develop programs and demands around the issues people express to you. this also lets you meet people and gives you contacts that you can call on later for events and meetings.

if youre tabling and youre not selling papers or making contacts or talking to people, then immediately the problem is your slogans, messages and demands, and those should be changed. a lot of people dismiss papers and tabling cause they try it and nobody talks to them or they cant connect with people and the problem is in they need to reassess their talking points and political perspectives, not stop tabling. if you dont table then your discussions stop being about whats happening in your community and what real world people are motivated or worried about and instead party discussions become weird esoteric debates on the details of socialist thought that may or may not have any bearing on present conditions.

it keeps you tied to the community and broader, non-militant layers of the working class, and helps train the party to be more effective public speakers. it also helps prevent the rise of opportunists and careerists because those types seldom want to spend time in the sun or cold talking to people one on one and just want to lead and boss people around.

a lot of groups organize protests and marches and focus on that alone but never organize regular tabling or public meetings on local or current issues facing the community. the marches and protests and stuff arent bad but if thats all you ever do then youre only talking to and organizing around people who are already dialed in to militant organizing and your politics will drift to appeal only to them and not a broader layer of non-militant workers. like everyones favorite trotsky says, "A program is formulated not for the editorial board or for the leaders of discussion clubs, but for the revolutionary action of millions." if you spend all your time trying to settle debates with other communists or leftists then those are the only people youll connect with.

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
I used to love tabling for voter registration back when I did bourgeois politicking

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

tabling is good, as is talking to people at our workplaces. like i can see where that assessment of local leadership might come from, if an org is prone to navel-gazing then there's a tendency to totemize and deify leadership. but again, this couldn't be farther from my experience. universalizing personal grievances doesn't make for good theory. this is another function of any organization worth its salt: freedom of critique would mean information sharing and a more scientific outlook on the situation, both internal and external.

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

in any case,

https://twitter.com/ClaraSorrenti/status/1094067596553568256?s=19

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WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
https://twitter.com/AliceAvizandum/status/1094222440748720128?s=19

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