Tab8715 posted:

They're are closer to a totalitarian state if anything.

Perry Mason Jar posted:

The victory, and sustained victory, of anti-communism has more than decimated the will (and ability) of the working class to abolish capitalism.

Xaris posted:

Water Knife was a documentary, also would recommend.

Cockmaster posted:

There have also been proposals to directly power airplanes with hydrogen.

Perry Mason Jar posted:

Cuba.

sitchensis posted:

The world looking more like Cuba is probably the best outcome of all this that we could possibly hope for.

Tab8715 posted:

They're are closer to a totalitarian state if anything.

StabbinHobo posted:

totalitarianism is good

Conspiratiorist posted:

Too bad about their unfortunate geographical location.

Tab8715 posted:

Let's roll play,

Let's assume for a moment someone like Warren or Bernie wins in 2020 followed by a Wave of Progressive Democrats that somehow manage to get a super majority in Congress. The New Green Deal is voted, signed and the law of the land.

What happens next? How would our lives change?

Tab8715 posted:

Let's roll play,

Let's assume for a moment someone like Warren or Bernie wins in 2020 followed by a Wave of Progressive Democrats that somehow manage to get a super majority in Congress. The New Green Deal is voted, signed and the law of the land.

What happens next? How would our lives change?

quote:

1. Invest in sustainable businesses including cooperatives and non-profits by providing grants and loans with an emphasis on small, locally-based companies that keep the wealth created by local labor circulating in the community rather than being drained off to enrich absentee investors.

2. Move to 100% clean energy by 2030. Invest in clean energy technologies that are ready to go now. Redirect research funds from fossil fuels and other dead-end industries toward research in wind, solar, tidal, and geothermal energy. We will invest in research in sustainable, nontoxic materials and closed-loop cycles that eliminate waste and pollution, as well as organic agriculture, permaculture, and sustainable forestry.

3. Create a Commission for Economic Democracy to provide publicity, training, education, and direct financing for cooperative development and for democratic reforms to make government agencies, private associations, and business enterprises more participatory. We will strengthen democracy via participatory budgeting and institutions that encourage local initiative and democratic decision-making.

4. Establish a Renewable Energy Administration on the scale of FDR’s hugely successful Rural Electrification Administration, launched in 1935, that brought electrical power to rural America, 95 per cent of which had no power. Emulated by many other countries, this initiative provided technical support, financing, and coordination to more than 900 municipal cooperatives, many of which still exist. The Green New Deal would update this model with eco-friendly energy sources.

5. End unemployment in America once and for all by guaranteeing a job at a living wage for every American willing and able to work. A Full Employment Program will create up to 20 million jobs, both directly and indirectly, by implementing a nationally-funded, locally-controlled, direct employment initiative replacing unemployment offices with local employment offices. The government will be the employer of last resort, offering jobs meeting community-identified needs in the public and non-profit sectors to take up any slack in private for-profit sector employment. These will include jobs in sustainable energy and energy efficiency retrofitting, mass transit and “complete streets” that promote safe bike and pedestrian traffic, regional food systems based on sustainable organic agriculture, clean manufacturing, infrastructure, and public services (education, youth programs, child care, senior care, etc). Communities will use a process of broad stakeholder input and democratic decision making to fairly design and implement these programs.

Tab8715 posted:

I am using the word - miracle - but not in a literal sense. As in how vaccines and the personal computer were miracles.

Shifty Nipples posted:

I am pretty sure a miracle is something that happens as a result of direct action by the hand of god.

VideoGameVet posted:

Turbines will run on drat near anything, but there are issues with storing hydrogen. It does have nice energy density though.

BrandorKP posted:

It's from the Latin word "miraculum"

Perry Mason Jar posted:

The Green New Deal is a bottom to top wealth transfer that prioritizes carbon capture tech over emissions reduction. Inequality would grow and warming would continue much the same.

Here's the text:


Please note the complete and total absence of raising taxes (and please don't tell me about the 70% marginal tax rate on income).

Nail Rat posted:

Good article about how wrong centrists like Feinstein are. https://www.newyorker.com/news/dail...vists-video/amp

GreyjoyBastard posted:

"in a way that ensures that the public receives appropriate ownership stakes and returns on investment" and "build wealth and community ownership", plus a lot of labor / disadvantaged communities sorts of stuff.

Banana Man posted:

pretty good article, crossposting from uspol

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/16/opinion/sunday/fear-panic-climate-change-warming.html

Insanite posted:

Insanite posted:

It's possible that a flippant hypothetical about appropriate punishments for people who are destroying the world, I guess, could be taken as a non-specific threat, so removed. It's not particularly productive.

What is neat is that punching someone in the nose is a crime, but omnicide is just a policy choice. Same old, same old.

pikachode posted:

also every single one of you should change your career area to ecology/environmental engineering/renewables engineering geology/refugee advocacy (whichever is most suited to your personality) if you haven't done so already

Tab8715 posted:

His book is next up on my reading list. I wish scientists took his approach of scaring us into action vs. a bombardment of scientific jargon.

Morbus posted:

No but you see if they come across as ~too alarmist~ they will scare away all the vitally important centrists and disrupt their ongoing and tremendously effective campaign of climate change mitigation.

Tab8715 posted:

Better err in the side of scaring the poo poo out of people.

I am correct the earliest we will see substantial climate changes won’t happen until 2040?

If so, what’s the latest?

Tab8715 posted:

Better err in the side of scaring the poo poo out of people.

I am correct the earliest we will see substantial climate changes won’t happen until 2040?

If so, what’s the latest?

Mr.Fuzzywig posted:

I never post in this thread, but i quit my salaried GM job at a lovely pizza joint to go back to college to get a degree in wind energy. Gonna be moving out of the city and going to work on wind turbines. Fun!

God i hope i dont gently caress it up.

squirrelzipper posted:

So, uh, what do you mean when you say ‘substantial’?

Tab8715 posted:

When it’s on the nightly news every night and almost all conservations no matter how casual.

Tab8715 posted:

When it’s on the nightly news every night and almost all conservations no matter how casual.

Conspiratiorist posted:

You can expect climate change-driven global economic depression to begin in the 2030s, triggered by any combination of: a series of natural disasters, a major war, or the carbon bubble popping.

Conspiratiorist posted:

You can expect climate change-driven global economic depression to begin in the 2030s, triggered by any combination of: a series of natural disasters, a major war, or the carbon bubble popping.