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If you tell your dad to shut up he will that's a little thing called the dialectic
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Yo carbon sequestration research is working out, and it will probably be fine to have some carbon stuff under communism. Like, it'll cost more labor than it does now so that will change the way we organize society somewhat, but: we pretty much live in a post-scarcity society right now- the only reason people want for things is because we intentionally distribute resources to produce that outcome. It would be throwing the baby out with the bathwater if we managed to fix the way we distribute resources only to roll things back to the 1850s more than half the country's population had to work full time in agriculture. EDIT: Like if we passed a law tomorrow saying gas companies had to buy sequestration for all the gas they sold, it'd increase the price of gas by less than our current oil subsidies reduce the price of gas.
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Dreddout posted:Mom can't tell you to clean your room under communism https://twitter.com/turing_police/status/1099580008278896641?s=19 https://twitter.com/turing_police/status/1099580198767357952?s=19
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Autism Sneaks posted:socialism is living with your parent/parents Remember when this was an actual Soviet horror story, and now at least half of everybody in their mid-20s is doing it.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I can't believe the guy who pretends he's the only one to have read Marx and Lenin has all these weird non-materialistic utopic ideas of what post-revolutionary society is gonna be like. How should one do speculative future then? I’m new to this, and while I have ideas about how communism in 2019 could work, I’m not sure how to productively critique them.
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Kobayashi posted:How should one do speculative future then? I’m new to this, and while I have ideas about how communism in 2019 could work, I’m not sure how to productively critique them. I really like this post because it's grounded in anthropological research https://rhizzone.net/forum/topic/1129/
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Kobayashi posted:How should one do speculative future then? I’m new to this, and while I have ideas about how communism in 2019 could work, I’m not sure how to productively critique them. well most Marxist philosophers hem and haw and write thousands of pages about cultivating revolutionary conditions but refuse to speculate about postrevoltionary conditions for lots of reasons I’m gonna do a Bad Thing in then Lenin Lover thread and recommend the essays in the Murray Bookchin reader where he talks about cellular society and distributed republicanism. it’s utopian and I am not necessarily endorsing it but he does a good job explaining his vision of an alternative society and what he thinks it would require
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Remember when this was an actual Soviet horror story, and now at least half of everybody in their mid-20s is doing it. Someone's got to systematically break these examples down.
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JIT stocking and other modern logistical practices have lead to extremely random and arbitrary goods shortages.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Remember when this was an actual Soviet horror story, and now at least half of everybody in their mid-20s is doing it. Lmfao yeah. My social studies teacher was a good guy but he was a kool aid drinker. Talked about everyone sharing the same lovely apartment with their family and not being able to get new cars for years, markets having lovely choices of poor quality. Huh, sounds pretty familiar.
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Enjoy posted:I really like this post because it's grounded in anthropological research That was really interesting. I like the idea of thermoeconomics. Overall it hints at a far future that is very different than how things are today, and so I’m struggling to see how I can translate that into a vision of change that I can share with people who aren’t ardent leftists yet, if that makes any sense.
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i went to a dsa meeting and after I was talking to someone and they said the words google bookchin out loud
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Jon Joe posted:i went to a dsa meeting and after I was talking to someone and they said the words google bookchin out loud well, did you
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Karl Barks posted:well, did you who the gently caress is scraeming "GOOGLE BOOKCHIN" at my house. show yourself, coward. i will never google bookchin
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the current agricultural system is basically a massive death machine, it's just that the death is shifted thirty years into the future, so nobody cares. collectivizing farms, appropriating golf courses and large private ranches, reducing food waste, etc would all help, but it's all insufficient in face of the massive costs capitalism has externalized onto the worlds agriculture breadbaskets. if it helps, think of agriculture damage like the development of antibiotic resistant TB strains. it doesn't matter how socialized or free your healthcare system is, once that box has been opened it is impossible to close it again, and the social costs will echo for hundreds of years. i do actually believe that the human race can feed itself sustainably on this earth, even up to 10 billion people, and to suggest the need for a population 'cull' or any kind of technological primitivism is fascist death cult nonsense. But the system capable of such a feet would be totally unrecognizable from the standpoint of our current system. we have less than a century of topsoil remaining the colorado potato bug has reached vladivostok the fall armyworm reached africa in 2016. it was found in sri lanka in 2018. mUltiPle BreAdBasKEt fAILurEs
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anyone have good books/articles/journos or historians to follow/whatever on the DDR, german reunification and the aftereffects?
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Can we discuss the concept of intellectual labor in more detail? Let’s dissect the phrase The slaves built America I’ve had a response that said no they were the labor force but someone has to comcepualize those plantations or someone had to plan those railroads Because the slave mentality waits for instructions but great entrepreneurs create. The entrepreneur is the builder labor is an instrument for great minds It sounded like randian nonsense but I think it deserves a response
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Top City Homo posted:Can we discuss the concept of intellectual labor in more detail? this is just a wholesale appropriation of ideas that resulted from applying marxist reasoning to post-industrial economies, only insanely distorted and ahistorically applied. call him an idiot and ask him if an architect literally builds buildings, or perhaps does a different type of labor i mean at this point you're going to have to explain distinctions between proletarian laborers and people who just sell their labor for money which is a muddy one even in this thread. also nobody conceptualized plantations, they were ad-hoc things built up with the wealth of the owner, and railroads in the US were distinctly not properly planned but were instead lots of competing interests until the government stepped in and regulated an absolutely insane system for infrastructure creation also, he's using slave mentality totally wrong if he's trying to be nietszchean about it
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It's the core of randianism, the idea that the labor of workers is irrelevant because capitalists have a labor of their own that is irreplaceable. It's the thesis of Atlas shrugged. It's also the basic belief of our society's capitalism because Rand won op
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Top City Homo posted:Can we discuss the concept of intellectual labor in more detail? The idea here that there were no skilled slaves responsible for plantation organization is lol, also lol at whatever the hell slave mentality means.
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Homeless Friend posted:The idea here that there were no skilled slaves responsible for plantation organization is lol, also lol at whatever the hell slave mentality means. "slave mentality" is a pretty good indicator of nazi-filtered nietzschean garbage ime
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That's why southern whites were terrified of the enfranchisement of former slaves. Their slave mentality wasn't suited to governance!
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🎵S-L-A-V-E We Be🎵 🎵That’s slave mentality, we slavin🎵 🎵Slavin slavin slavin til the day I die🎵
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This tweet is wild when you go from reading the quote, to reading the person that said it, to reading who tweeted it.
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take a hike shane https://twitter.com/shane_bauer/status/1099798560407781377
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Homeless Friend posted:The idea here that there were no skilled slaves responsible for plantation organization is lol, also lol at whatever the hell slave mentality means. It probably means that there is a passive mass of people and the heroic individuals who impose their ideas unto the world and without whom the passive mass couldn’t organize Top City Homo fucked around with this message at 00:41 on Feb 25, 2019 |
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What need have we now of Get Fiscal https://twitter.com/Nate_McMurray/status/1099665580695662592?s=20
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/MattBruenig/status/1099849020510478336 You're forgetting: he REALLY hates the job guarantee
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Top City Homo posted:Can we discuss the concept of intellectual labor in more detail? Design, organization, conceptualizing, architecting, etc. are all just different forms of labor no "better" or "worse" than a ditch digger. Because it's a position that has inflated prominence in the construction of society (and more base or mundane labor is incredibly devalued), those types of people are singled out as the Great Builders Of Our World or w/e dogshit, even though they don't do anything in a vacuum, and consult dozens or hundreds of other specialists who will be involved in an endeavor from start to finish. What's more, their development as a human being was not in a vacuum as well, one of the real deep foundational things you need to drill into people's heads is that they as individuals are products of the labor of our society, from the food they ate to grow, to the education they received, to the sidewalks they traversed to school, the fresh water plumbed to their house that they bathed with their whole lives, etc. Their ideas and skills belong to the society that produced them, just as the burden of their guaranteed welfare, health, and material needs belong to that society. This is the great re-orienting (or rather, a return to man's natural essence as collaborative, communal beings) we need to undertake in our minds to actually transform society. All labor is art, creation, a beautiful act, watch any expert at their craft with decades of muscle memory go to town on a task, brick layers or short order cooks, or a master plumber's perfect welds and intricate knowledge of water flows, or an electrician's neat wiring jobs that bring 21st century civilization to every home, surgeons, jugglers, window washers, etc. Humans are amazing.
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smarxist posted:Design, organization, conceptualizing, architecting, etc. are all just different forms of labor no "better" or "worse" than a ditch digger. Because it's a position that has inflated prominence in the construction of society (and more base or mundane labor is incredibly devalued), those types of people are singled out as the Great Builders Of Our World or w/e dogshit, even though they don't do anything in a vacuum, and consult dozens or hundreds of other specialists who will be involved in an endeavor from start to finish. Actually it's a a different kind of labor in that its restricted to middle class and up white people with the correct arbitrary signifiers and so any architect etc is a bootlicking pos. I don't think manual leather polishing is labor worthy of respect
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I mean, regardless of who benefits most from those positions in the current material conditions you're still going to need people to design things post Rev lol
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