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Tempura Wizard
Sep 15, 2006

spending all
spending
spending all my time

Turin Turambar posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oHmCvwio6M||

New trailer for the expansion, now coming in March

This looks great! Thank you for sharing!

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Happylisk
May 19, 2004

Leisure Suit Barry '08
Trailer looks cool, I'm looking forward to getting the expansion.

My wildchild experiments have had mixed luck. I can reliably get to the Duke, but I usually splat a few levels after. Dual claws have crazy damage output and if you use weapon power based skills, you do even more damage and auto-hit (negating the accuracy penalty). The problem is the 3 best modes of defense in tangledeep are blocking, parrying, or summoning a meatwall, and wildchild doesn't really excel at any of that. I think a dualwield build just needs to accept you're going to be using comestibles more often. Every time I've won I've gotten to the boss with 255 flask charges, so using it more often isn't exactly that big a deal.

One quality of life thing I'd like to see: an option somewhere in Riverstone to see all of the permanent shopkeepers you've found in Tangledeep, see if they've restocked, and warp to them. As it stands, if you want to consistently keep up with them it's a huge pain in the rear end.

Kchama
Jul 25, 2007

Turin Turambar posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oHmCvwio6M||

New trailer for the expansion, now coming in March

Seems like the trailer's been taken down.

Turin Turambar
Jun 5, 2011



Kchama posted:

Seems like the trailer's been taken down.

Dunno why he took it down, but he uploaded it again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTACMOaUzjo

DACK FAYDEN
Feb 25, 2013

Bear Witness

Happylisk posted:

One quality of life thing I'd like to see: an option somewhere in Riverstone to see all of the permanent shopkeepers you've found in Tangledeep, see if they've restocked, and warp to them. As it stands, if you want to consistently keep up with them it's a huge pain in the rear end.
Does the fast travel menu not do this? On Switch, it'll give me an option to port to any shopkeeper's floor and tell me if they've restocked (with a bug that the Pet Shoppe specifically never tells me it's restocked)

Happylisk
May 19, 2004

Leisure Suit Barry '08

DACK FAYDEN posted:

Does the fast travel menu not do this? On Switch, it'll give me an option to port to any shopkeeper's floor and tell me if they've restocked (with a bug that the Pet Shoppe specifically never tells me it's restocked)

As far as I know, the static shops always show up in fast travel (i.e. casino, the deli, etc), but random shopkeepers found in those secret areas don't.

Lunchmeat Larry
Nov 3, 2012

anime tupac posted:

My first end fight, I was just throwing eggs on the ground like, uh, Spanish... Christmas...? (I think Spain has a holiday where they throw eggs??? I don't remember, never mind) anyway I just threw out a bunch of adds the first time to accompany my other adds, and I will probably just attempt the same thing this time.

I have a couple of Wild Child skills and it seems kinda fun. The only one I can't tell anything about yet is Gambler

Yeah I don't really get gambler. I know it shouldn't be surprising from a class with that name but it feels so RNG based and impossible to plan around

Deified Data
Nov 3, 2015


Fun Shoe
I just got this game on Switch and noticed several classes have projectile weapons (I picked the floramancer) but I can't seem to use them at the range they say they have (3 squares in the case of my staff) - I can only attack enemies with it by whacking them in melee. What am I missing?

Wildtortilla
Jul 8, 2008

Deified Data posted:

I just got this game on Switch and noticed several classes have projectile weapons (I picked the floramancer) but I can't seem to use them at the range they say they have (3 squares in the case of my staff) - I can only attack enemies with it by whacking them in melee. What am I missing?

Press Y to use ranged weapons.

Deified Data
Nov 3, 2015


Fun Shoe

Wildtortilla posted:

Press Y to use ranged weapons.

So if you're within range do you just point the arrow at the enemy and fire?

Wildtortilla
Jul 8, 2008

Deified Data posted:

So if you're within range do you just point the arrow at the enemy and fire?

If you're in range it'll automatically Target an enemy. You can move the target box around with the left stick.

Wildtortilla
Jul 8, 2008
I just failed to capture a wild untamed Komodo dragon in the desert Oasis. The thing was at about 80% hp and resistant to every element. My floraconda was nearly dead so I used plantsplosion on it and the quest target died instantly. Two things I hadn't seen until that point: plantsplosion dealing enough damage to do more than 50% HP and purple text. :(

Happylisk
May 19, 2004

Leisure Suit Barry '08
Finally got a dual claw wildchild to the end game. Between the Brigand autocrit passive, the feral bites buff to normal attacks, and thundering lion, I one shot most normal monsters. Champions can be tougher but the claw skills come in real handy there. Once you figure it out, dual wielding is pretty great.

Some more small bugs I've noticed:

* I've been getting some black screens on start up (though the music plays as normal). If I alt tab out and tab back in the visuals come back.
* I completed a bronze wildchild job trial and the emblem was not in my equipment inventory. Jorito however said I did have the bronze emblem. I saved, quit, and restarted, and the emblem finally appeared.
* I had a really weird bug where any time I used a comestible I would get the benefit but the comestible would not be used. Ie infinite mint brews. I when I reloaded the save things went back to normal.

Wildtortilla
Jul 8, 2008
My Floramancer/Spellshaper is level 14 and I completed all three Floramancer job trials. I'm on the 15th level of the dungeon. I'm anxious to see if I clear the game or gently caress up. Without telling me the number of floors in the dungeon, am I getting close to the end?

Happylisk
May 19, 2004

Leisure Suit Barry '08
You're close to the end. How much gametime is left mostly depends on how much time you spend goofing around in item dreams. As long as you keep your summons up you'll be fine.

Turin Turambar
Jun 5, 2011



Game ended at 22th floor? but two of them weren't real floors? I can't remember now.

Deified Data
Nov 3, 2015


Fun Shoe
My Floramancer Meena died to the demons in the second boss fight at level 7 :(

Paladin Vess joins the fight apparently

Wildtortilla
Jul 8, 2008

Deified Data posted:

My Floramancer Meena died to the demons in the second boss fight at level 7 :(

Paladin Vess joins the fight apparently

Good luck! The paladin was my first character and it didn't go very well.

Question: does the Floramancer job emblem benefit any monster I summon or only Floramancer summons?

Happylisk
May 19, 2004

Leisure Suit Barry '08

Wildtortilla posted:

Good luck! The paladin was my first character and it didn't go very well.

Question: does the Floramancer job emblem benefit any monster I summon or only Floramancer summons?

Any monster! So it works well with the summon shadow demon skill. Also, I hope you've added "of familiars" to all of your items via the dreamcaster.

Wildtortilla
Jul 8, 2008

Happylisk posted:

Any monster! So it works well with the summon shadow demon skill. Also, I hope you've added "of familiars" to all of your items via the dreamcaster.

Most of my items have that, yes!

Deified Data
Nov 3, 2015


Fun Shoe
As soon as I start with a paladin I get a piece of legendary armor for the monk. Guess I know what my next run is.

Turin Turambar
Jun 5, 2011



After Anthem loot, I appreciate more a good loot system like in Tangledeep.

DarkAvenger211
Jun 29, 2011

Damnit Steve, you know I'm a sucker for Back to the Future references.
Still kind of just starting the game out here on the switch. I went down the Riverway passage and got to the top I think? It's like floor number 5 and there's only 2 other stairways going up, one's a special room with a merchant in it and the other is a special room that's the Bandit storage I think? It had a bunch of items but there's no other stairway back up out of it.

Is there supposed to be more to this path or is that it?

404notfound
Mar 5, 2006

stop staring at me

DarkAvenger211 posted:

Still kind of just starting the game out here on the switch. I went down the Riverway passage and got to the top I think? It's like floor number 5 and there's only 2 other stairways going up, one's a special room with a merchant in it and the other is a special room that's the Bandit storage I think? It had a bunch of items but there's no other stairway back up out of it.

Is there supposed to be more to this path or is that it?

Yes, there should be stairs leading up to the bandit hideout. If you really can't find them, you could try going all the way through the other set of 1-5 dungeon floors, get into the hideout, and then look for the other set of down stairs that will take you back into Riverway, to see where those stairs are hiding.

Deified Data
Nov 3, 2015


Fun Shoe

Wildtortilla posted:

Good luck! The paladin was my first character and it didn't go very well.

Question: does the Floramancer job emblem benefit any monster I summon or only Floramancer summons?

Any particular issues you ran into?

Wildtortilla
Jul 8, 2008

Deified Data posted:

Any particular issues you ran into?
Mostly being new to the game. It seems to be a class that relies heavily on gear.

I'm two characters removed from the paladin and have a stash full of gear for future melee characters. I'm looking forward to giving the paladin another whirl eventually.

Turin Turambar
Jun 5, 2011



From discord: Switch update will be out today

404notfound
Mar 5, 2006

stop staring at me

Anyone know how you use the save file recovery feature?

Edit: According to the discord it's supposed to just work. Welp, guess my floramancer is boned :geno:

404notfound fucked around with this message at 05:32 on Feb 27, 2019

404notfound
Mar 5, 2006

stop staring at me

God dammit. I keep running into bugs on this Switch version even after the patch. I've had to redo several item dreams because I come back out of them, a day has passed, and I try to talk to Erin for new rumors and it still crashes. The new save recovery thing couldn't rescue my pre-patch floramancer, I have to keep manually toggling my HuSyn's autobarrier passive because it constantly stops working, and there's something really funky going on with the way navigating the menus with ZL and ZR works. I've also selected the wrong menu item on more than once occasion because the dead zone for the sticks is way too small and it often reads multiple inputs.

I've gotten a couple dozen hours out of the game, but I'd like to keep playing and poo poo keeps breaking. :smith:

Wildtortilla
Jul 8, 2008

404notfound posted:

God dammit. I keep running into bugs on this Switch version even after the patch. I've had to redo several item dreams because I come back out of them, a day has passed, and I try to talk to Erin for new rumors and it still crashes. The new save recovery thing couldn't rescue my pre-patch floramancer, I have to keep manually toggling my HuSyn's autobarrier passive because it constantly stops working, and there's something really funky going on with the way navigating the menus with ZL and ZR works. I've also selected the wrong menu item on more than once occasion because the dead zone for the sticks is way too small and it often reads multiple inputs.

I've gotten a couple dozen hours out of the game, but I'd like to keep playing and poo poo keeps breaking. :smith:

I haven't played post patch yet, but this is disappointing.

I'm becoming increasingly annoyed by the poorly designed UI and with the number of bugs I'm experiencing. Lately my annoyance has been focused on how cumbersome the skill bars are to set up and use.

I haven't found a straight forward way to remove skills from my bars. The best way I've found is to select one to move, place it on another skill, then close the menu. This is especially annoying when doing job trials cause you can't start the trial if you have skills from other jobs equipped. Is there an efficient way to select a skill on one of the bars and remove it?

Also skills seem to organize themselves in the order you purchase them when you sort learned skills by job. This over complicates finding a skill in an already giant list of skills. Why aren't each job's skills organized consistently from run to run?

Also when selecting a skill to use, if you are selecting the bottom right most skill and press right one more time your potion is selected. But you can't move the cursor to the left back into the skills. You can't move from the top row of skills into the weapons. This option issue is extra annoying when combined with how awful inputs are handled in the game. Often a single direction input is interpreted as two inputs. So if I try to select the bottom right most skill, the cursor will blow by the skill I want to use, select the potion, and then I accidentally use the potion because I'm on autopilot with the controls. I shouldn't be expected to diligently input commands one at a time, checking to make sure my desired outcome is a reality before pressing another button. I haven't had to do that in a game in the past 33 years and I'm not about to start doing it now.

I had this game on my Steam wishlist since before it released on PC. Then I learned it was coming to Switch and waited because I have always wanted a traditional roguelike on a handheld. Now I've paid a premium for a seemingly inferior version of the game. My good will toward Tangledeep is nearly exhausted and I will likely not be playing it after my current character wins or dies.

I don't like being a curmudgeon. :(

Turin Turambar
Jun 5, 2011



I think they are only two devs, with the addition contracted artists. The beta testers? I think they are a bunch of fans that work for free. That's on pc, they don't have switch dev kits for the beta testers, so yeah, I suspect not a lot of testing was done for the console version. Apart from this being their first console game, I suspect they weren't accustomed to the cert. process and the hoops you have to jump in console land.

Rascyc
Jan 23, 2008

Dissatisfied Puppy
Hopefully it should start to ramp into a better version more quickly now that they have been granted access to the crash data and the ratings issue was cleared up.

404notfound
Mar 5, 2006

stop staring at me

I still really enjoy the game, but I just felt like venting after I got the perfect third upgrade on an item dream and it crashed when I went to get a rumor and I was back on the final floor of the dream.

I even used to save before talking to Erin pre-patch to minimize the impact of a crash, but I thought I was safe after the patch. Between that and my initial confusion over how to use the automated save recovery feature (my floramancer was still crashing on load so I thought there was something else I had to do), it doesn't feel like the patch has helped me at all.

Think I'm just going to put the game down for a while until things have smoothed out. Dead Cells recently got a patch as well, so I might finally pick that up to keep up my roguelike fix.

Deified Data
Nov 3, 2015


Fun Shoe
So are you expected to change classes several times in a run and get abilities from multiple classes? If so should they kind of feed into eachother with regards to their primary stats? How much do you get to keep between class changes?

Reiterpallasch
Nov 3, 2010



Fun Shoe
Class changes are mostly for dipping skills in my experience. There are some really odd synergies out there (my favorite is the paladin passive that gives you extra damage for moving in heavy armor + the brigand/sword dancer skills that move you and attack) and everyone could use the Budoka one-point wonder that negates crits and stuns.

Wildtortilla
Jul 8, 2008
It seems in some menus ZL scrolls up and ZR scrolls down now however in my item menu ZR scrolls down and ZL does nothing.

Wildtortilla
Jul 8, 2008
I'm in the zone with paralyze panels on the floor and my corral pet will not walk over them. My floraconda and spirit shade don't give a poo poo and walk on anything. No other dangerous flood panel has stopped my pet until now, in the end stages of the game. Is this working as intended?

Rascyc
Jan 23, 2008

Dissatisfied Puppy
It happens on the PC version. Usually pets have a close proximity TP or leap ability if you go back for them but if they lack one then you might have to try something else (maybe digging?)

There's a pet order menu somewhere too, that lets you configure how close they stand and what they engage. Might be something in there that can help too.

Deified Data
Nov 3, 2015


Fun Shoe
Question, after my experience with Dead Cells where the more stat increase scrolls you collect the weaker you got past 15 or so because enemies scales with you and past you to the point where you shouldn't even bother collecting them, it's got me side-eyeing the golden chests. This seems like a pretty bum deal right? You can get that xp/jp/gold elsewhere without a toughness boost for enemies, right? Why would you pick this, or is it just a transparent trap option?

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Turin Turambar
Jun 5, 2011



Deified Data posted:

Question, after my experience with Dead Cells where the more stat increase scrolls you collect the weaker you got past 15 or so because enemies scales with you and past you to the point where you shouldn't even bother collecting them, it's got me side-eyeing the golden chests. This seems like a pretty bum deal right? You can get that xp/jp/gold elsewhere without a toughness boost for enemies, right? Why would you pick this, or is it just a transparent trap option?

Two things
1 . Dead cells doesn't work like that anymore.
2 . Pandora chests increase of difficulty is a feature, not a bug or a flaw. It's the main reason to take them. Game is on the easy side otherwise.

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