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I think you could "Time Share except for (insert unnecessary luxury item)" for days. For instance, private jets: https://www.costco.com/Wheels-Up-Private-Aviation-Membership-%2526-%243%2C500-Costco-Cash-Card-eVoucher.product.100214128.html
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Yeah, Netjets is basically an airplane timeshare. This looks like a private jet subscription service since you're not buying a plane even in part, but it's probably about the same price. At least you'd not need to find someone to buy a quarter interest in a Learjet once you're sick of it. Out of morbid curiosity, what's the price on that? Don't have a Costco membership.
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Mar 4, 2019 20:33
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Looks like 17500 - 3500costco credit. +8k/year Then 8k/hour on citation, 4.6k/hour on a smaller jet. https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/other-air-travel-including-private-non-airline-aviation/1843989-wheels-up-through-costco.html quote:If i used wheels up on these three trips, I would have paid totalnewbie fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Mar 4, 2019 |
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Mar 4, 2019 20:38
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kw0134 posted:Yeah, Netjets is basically an airplane timeshare. This looks like a private jet subscription service since you're not buying a plane even in part, but it's probably about the same price. At least you'd not need to find someone to buy a quarter interest in a Learjet once you're sick of it. Google says $16k.
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The Slack Lagoon posted:Is there a case where time shares ever make sense? Not on a retail level, but I remember reading about one company that bought timeshares from people who just wanted to get out from under the payments. The terms of the "buyout" were usually something like "one dollar plus assumption of ongoing costs". They then aggregated a bunch of these, negotiated better terms with the properties where they could, and rented them back out as vacation packages at discount to hotel rack rate. Basically, it can work great if you're a vulture capitalist. e: Incoming Tree Law story Smirking_Serpent posted:Wisconsin. Lumber company came across property line and cut down ~30 mature oaks. Cassius Belli fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Mar 4, 2019 |
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Mar 4, 2019 21:29
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H110Hawk posted:Let me guess, you aren't calling numbers on the federal do not call list because technically it's independent contractors doing the sales? Anything I could ask them to find out if its your company? Mostly the tell for our partner would be where the properties are at. As for the DNC issue: we don't actually do any of the calls, we're a marketing firm that gathers leads and other consumer data legally* and just middlemans it out to anyone who wants to pay for it sorted into convenient fashion. * Facebook sells us your poo poo, alongside what we gather from sweepstakes, raffles, etc which you all opt-in on giving your data to the firm if you read the fine print, and occasionally other edge case poo poo that legal makes sure to check out before accepting.
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Mar 4, 2019 22:06
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There's a row of Maclura pomifera (hedge apple/Osage orange) trees along the edge of my yard that borders a forest preserve. I'm paranoid about touching any of them because they weave back and forth across the lot line and Tree Law seems to get extremely expensive very quickly.
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Mar 4, 2019 22:07
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How many tree law posts are fake?
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Mar 4, 2019 22:09
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Lowness 72 posted:How many tree law posts are fake? Fake tree law posts are...neutral with money?
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Mar 4, 2019 22:14
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Tree law is all bark, no bite
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Mar 4, 2019 22:18
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:Tree law is all bark, no bite Wood you cut that out?
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Hopefully it's not too much of a self-post, but my in-laws actually own a timeshare. It only got that way after the grandparents left it to their several children, who then formed a corporation to deal with it. The big drama is just over people using other people's condiments and not buying TP for the cabin; several partners have sold their shares back to the corp when money was tight and bought them back later. Because the property has a large land parcel, they allow hunters to use it in the winter and make some money by logging as well. It's probably the only example I can imagine of a timeshare not being a horrible burden, but it requires regular maintenance and coordination with the family, so there's not a snowball's chance in hell we'll take a portion when his folks go. Hopefully we can get them to just will it directly to hubby's bros.
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Mar 4, 2019 22:28
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Ixian posted:Or there are even simpler ways to do it if their real goal is to help the young couple buy a home. This way says "we don't trust her". I've also considered going to her husband to talk with him about it because he's really the person who would have to tell his parents nope on the trust idea. Apparently they've done it before with their other kid. Or I should probably just stay out of the whole mess altogether - her family is pretty well off anyway so I doubt she would ever be turbo hosed even if she lost her house that was never her house to begin with. But dang, you know, she's my friend and I really want her to not put herself in this position. Also all tree law posts are fake and there's so many of them now that it's boring af.
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Mar 4, 2019 22:28
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moana posted:Or I should probably just stay out of the whole mess altogether It's this one. The parents intend to be protective and controlling and this is their method for doing so. They could potentially be convinced to half-rear end this with a prenup, but that's unlikely to meet all of their criteria. The correct answer is likely more like "tell them no thank you if you don't want them constantly up in your and your new husband's poo poo", but that is also unlikely to work.
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Mar 4, 2019 22:42
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moana posted:Okay, so what would be the optimal way for the inlaws to gift them a down payment without taking on too much risk of their own? Because obviously their end is: if we give them a check for $200k and then she splits the day after they close, she'll be taking half of it (I'm pretty sure - California is a community property state). The trust protects them from that. Is there another option that would protect them from that risk and also put her on the title? I'm looking for an alternative I can offer without talking too much poo poo on her inlaws. Is your question "how can I help with the downpayment if I don't trust that hussy to not run off with all the money before the ink is even dry - in a way that doesn't look like I don't trust her"?
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Mar 4, 2019 22:43
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OGS-Remix posted:These actually exist. One of my friends has one and not only does she get to pay for part of a horse, she gets to volunteer at help out at the stable to save more money. But think of all that sweet fractional horse-equity she's building up!
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Mar 4, 2019 22:50
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Enchanted Hat posted:Is your question "how can I help with the downpayment if I don't trust that hussy to not run off with all the money before the ink is even dry - in a way that doesn't look like I don't trust her"? 
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Mar 4, 2019 22:52
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That'll be an uncomfortable conversation because she'll be on the defensive and assume you're suggesting they may divorce one day. The trick to dealing with controlling parents is to only accept literal cash, or accept that you're being bought off. Sometimes that's not the worst. I remember BWM Thread was mad at a reddit girl who wouldn't accept her parents' deal to dump her boyfriend in exchange for free college! If this couple doesn't divorce, they got a free house down payment.
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Yond Cassius posted:e: Incoming Tree Law story This probably isn't one of those super happy tree law stories. This is just land out in the wilderness. The mature oaks have value as lumber, but it's not the same thing as a tree in your yard. I'm going to go out on a limb and say if a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to see it, is it really treble damages?
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Mar 4, 2019 23:29
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I think this guy should be probed for saying "super happy" instead of "sappy"
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Mar 4, 2019 23:33
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:I remember BWM Thread was mad at a reddit girl who wouldn't accept her parents' deal to dump her boyfriend in exchange for free college! If this couple doesn't divorce, they got a free house down payment. Can't wait to be this dad some day.
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Mar 4, 2019 23:35
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moana posted:Okay, so what would be the optimal way for the inlaws to gift them a down payment without taking on too much risk of their own? Stop using the word Gift. It's not one.
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Mar 4, 2019 23:48
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Krispy Wafer posted:I'm going to go out on a limb and say if a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to see it, is it really treble damages? What are you bassing that on?
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Mar 5, 2019 00:04
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moana posted:Well I wanted something where I could be like: "Oh, why don't they just [insert option that isn't going to gently caress her over 20 years from now if they divorce]" but it doesn't seem like there's anything that easy. At least I asked her if she was going to be on the title, maybe that'll get her reconsidering It had nothing to do with trust or risk or divorce. Their family just very much wants their family money to stay in the family. I also want to say that their family would never propose the ludicrous trust thing your friend's in-laws proposed.
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Nocheez posted:What are you bassing that on? A mature tree in my yard may have sentimental value beyond its monetary price. 30 trees on 200 acres of woodland, while valuable, isn’t quite the same thing. Or maybe it is. Treble damages on 30 trees would be a nice chunk of change. Heck, face value on 30 trees is probably tens of thousands of dollars. The lumber company will claim it was a honest mistake and without clear intent the court may just award actual damages. The real good tree law stories generally include obvious malicious intent.
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My inlaws have a timeshare. It's dumb. You can spend your points anywhere!* Depending on availability. The property also just rents rooms like a regular hotel to non-"owners". They were trying to arrange a weekend at the time share (minimum 3 day stay, mind you), and there wasn't a room available. But lo and behold, you could just go to expedia or the property's own website and book a room at the same property for those same days. They set aside a certain number of rooms to be rented out as regular hotel rooms, because the "owners" are dopes who already gave them their money so they don't care at all about making rooms available to them. We've stayed at two of their timeshare rooms before, and they were not impressive. The one in Park City, UT was probably the shabbiest hotel room in Park City. They paid like $15k for the privilege of booking there, plus an annual maintenance fee (which isn't too far from the regular market rate of just getting a hotel for a week and a half). The other terrible part? They sell it all on "vacation freedom!" but the reality is that it's very restrictive. They had planned a trip to the SF Bay area because their son was doing a triathlon in San Francisco. The only timeshare property available (several months in advance) was wayyyyy out in somewhere like Modesto, a solid 90+ minutes away by car depending on traffic (and I pity the tourist who has to drive and park a car in San Francisco). Same thing when they had planned a trip to be in downtown San Diego, and the nearest property was in Oceanside. Hope you don't mind Marine base traffic! Timeshares are the "no refunds, exchange or store credit only" of vacations. A "buy 20, get the 21st free" loyalty card. A "Discount Tire store credit" account. The "coupon has cash value of 1/20th of a cent"
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Krispy Wafer posted:A mature tree in my yard may have sentimental value beyond its monetary price. 30 trees on 200 acres of woodland, while valuable, isn’t quite the same thing. Or maybe it is. Treble damages on 30 trees would be a nice chunk of change. Heck, face value on 30 trees is probably tens of thousands of dollars.
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Talk about missing the forest for the tr- [Giant shepherd's crook appears from off stage and breaks my neck, killing me instantly]
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I once agreed to this as Hilton Vacations offered me a free two nights at the new Elara property and a show. I told them I wanted Cirque tickets and they said something about Beatles and I sighed and said I guess it was fine. I then got two tickets via email to a Beatles cover band. They were nice enough to immediately cancel. They still endlessly call me from tricky phone numbers. I always know it’s them if it’s a phone call from my old area code that I don’t recognize.
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moana posted:Okay, so what would be the optimal way for the inlaws to gift them a down payment without taking on too much risk of their own? H110Hawk posted:Stop using the word Gift. It's not one. Yes, thank you! Of its a gift there's no risk to manage. Just give them the money. You don't get a return on a gift other than satisfaction. As said above the parents are trying to exercise control over their son and his marriage to your friend.
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Dik Hz posted:That was another tree pun and not a real question. Well you stumped me.
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Dik Hz posted:That was another tree pun and not a real question. It was actually a music pun 
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Dik Hz posted:I'm actually in this situation right now, where my partner is getting a large gift from her parents to be invested in property. Our solution was a post-nup that essentially said the first $X in equity from the sale of the property is treated like an inheritance or pre-marital asset. Obviously investing it in jointly-owned property comingles it, but a contract would supercede that. And yes, I ran it all by my attorney before signing. Just like the other scenario, this is not a gift. Like, when you give someone something, it isn't yours anymore, so you don't get to say what's done with it or contribute to benefit from it. Your partner's folks are proposing joint ownership in what sounds like a fair way so their daughter can benefit from their fortune but not own it herself. The other scenario is just completely beyond the pale. It's pretty common for parents to put strings on 'gifts' like that because it's the only way they can still control their adult children, but expecting them to pay the mortgage as a married couple while she retains 0 equity (assuming they can even get a mortgage for a property not titled to them and their paying it doesn't commingle that asset) is a huge crock of poo poo. Not only should she turn down this "offer," she ought to seriously reconsider being married to this guy if he entertained that bullshit for a second. Hostile in-laws can make your life bad enough, but if your spouse is in on it, why be married? There's clearly no money in it and I refuse to believe he's got the kind of dick game to justify it, so what's the point? I'm completely onboard with pre-nups; I think it's fair that people can retain pre-marital assets if they choose. But if you're going to such lengths to keep assets acquired during the marriage separate, why bother getting legally married? It's 2019, cohabitation isn't just for white trash anymore.
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canyoneer posted:Timeshares are the "no refunds, exchange or store credit only" of vacations. A "buy 20, get the 21st free" loyalty card. A "Discount Tire store credit" account. The "coupon has cash value of 1/20th of a cent"
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Parents do this dumb poo poo because they think literally no human on the planet is worthy of their child and so they've got to Protect The Assets from the inevitable divorce (if your parents are 100% on board with your spouse, it's because they don't think very highly of you)
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BonerGhost posted:Just like the other scenario, this is not a gift. Like, when you give someone something, it isn't yours anymore, so you don't get to say what's done with it or contribute to benefit from it. Your partner's folks are proposing joint ownership in what sounds like a fair way so their daughter can benefit from their fortune but not own it herself.
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Krispy Wafer posted:Do time share presentations use ringers at all? I got roped into a “job interview” that turned into a MLM presentation to sell water purifiers and it was obvious several audience members were in on it. They’d ohhh and ahhh, get unreasonably excited about this terrific opportunity, and ask leading questions at just the right intervals. Faraday cage around the presentation room.
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Dik Hz posted:I'm actually in this situation right now, where my partner is getting a large gift from her parents to be invested in property. Our solution was a post-nup that essentially said the first $X in equity from the sale of the property is treated like an inheritance or pre-marital asset. Obviously investing it in jointly-owned property comingles it, but a contract would supercede that. And yes, I ran it all by my attorney before signing. But you do you, I suppose.
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Thanatosian posted:That's pretty lovely, too, honestly. "Here's this property that you're going to be responsible for maintaining, but we don't want to let you have a piece of it because you're not really family, nevermind the whole marriage thing." BonerGhost posted:Just like the other scenario, this is not a gift. Like, when you give someone something, it isn't yours anymore, so you don't get to say what's done with it or contribute to benefit from it. Your partner's folks are proposing joint ownership in what sounds like a fair way so their daughter can benefit from their fortune but not own it herself. Dik Hz fucked around with this message at 03:11 on Mar 5, 2019 |
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It's also his Far less warm and fuzzy than a wedding gift of $100's in a burlap sack, but it doesn't strike me as an insult to our good goon Dik Hz
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