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Groetgaffel: Oct 30, 2011; Groetgaffel smacked the living shit out of himself doing 297 points of damage.

Senjuro posted:

It's more than that. They have enough pouches to make Rob Liefeld blush, there's the grenades on their chest, the new bolt pistols that look a lot more like real guns. Why is designing their armor with more mobility in mind even a thing? 40k always was about style before function, it's what gave it its distinct look. This is the last setting that should be concerned with tactical realism. The fact that Space Marines have giant, impractical pauldrons is a feature, not a bug.

Hmm, yes, these look realistic and practical to me.

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Arquinsiel posted:

Seems the young adult novels have been out for a while now and I didn't notice. Has anyone read them yet?

I was wondering the same thing just the other day. I did grab the reading sample of the 40k one, but it's not nearly enough to go by.

Along the same lines, are there any opinions on Honourbound?

# ? Mar 11, 2019 02:17

Chiwie: Oct 21, 2010; DROP YOUR COAT AND GRAB YOUR TOES, I'LL SHOW YOU WHERE THE WILD GOOSE GOES!!!!

MMAgCh posted:

I was wondering the same thing just the other day. I did grab the reading sample of the 40k one, but it's not nearly enough to go by.

Along the same lines, are there any opinions on Honourbound?

It's pretty clear it's the author's first novel. I've read worse things though.

# ? Mar 11, 2019 02:23

Senjuro: Aug 19, 2006

Groetgaffel posted:

Hmm, yes, these look realistic and practical to me.

Relatively speaking. It's a still a style change in that direction.

# ? Mar 11, 2019 12:17

Plavski: Feb 1, 2006; I could be a revolutionary

Audible 2 for 1 has a few 40k in there this time. Handily enough, it has two books I was gonna pick up individually last week, Talon of Horus and Devastation of Baal.

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Randalor: Sep 4, 2011

I like both of those suit designs. The first one looks like it would be suited for dealing with soft, squishy cultists or for higher mobility, while the second seems like exactly what you would want for dealing with shipboard combat or space hulks (that's a lie. You would want re-enforced Terminator armor for space hulks. That way Tyranids might spend TWO whole seconds carving you out instead of a blink of an eye)

I admit it, it's me, I'm the problem.

# ? Mar 11, 2019 12:53

HerpicleOmnicron5: May 31, 2013; How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?

Senjuro posted:

It's more than that. They have enough pouches to make Rob Liefeld blush, there's the grenades on their chest, the new bolt pistols that look a lot more like real guns. Why is designing their armor with more mobility in mind even a thing? 40k always was about style before function, it's what gave it its distinct look. This is the last setting that should be concerned with tactical realism. The fact that Space Marines have giant, impractical pauldrons is a feature, not a bug.

Practical marines are cool, because that gives more potential for variety among Space Marine chapters. If they suddenly made every Space Marine switch over, then I'd have an issue.

# ? Mar 12, 2019 22:15

D-Pad: Jun 28, 2006

So I managed to get my hands on a copy of Scions of the Emperor. The primarch short story anthology that was exclusive to the Black Library celebration. I am about halfway through and this is definitely one of the better short story collections I have read from BL. The last one is the Chris Wraight Dark Angels Rangdan Xenocide story so I'll report back with any interesting lore once I read it since we have never had any depiction of them.

If one were to know where to look one might be able to find a copy themselves...

# ? Mar 13, 2019 05:13

Baron Porkface: Jan 22, 2007

I just felt like posting my favorite passage of Warhammer fiction

quote:

Finally, at his fiftieth year of his reign, a great event would occur. In that year, Emperor Sigmar Heldenhammer, greatest of all Mankind's rulers, stood up from his throne, placed down his crown and took up Ghal-Maraz and walked out of the Great Hall of his capital. He passed Wolfgart and His chosen bodyguard who were roaring with laughter at some jest or remembrance of times past. He strode down the path towards the market square where folk haggled and bartered with loud voices and much good humour. He passed them, smelling roasting meat and hearing the merrymaking of children playing in the gutters, as He had done in His youth so many years before.

Down the streets He walked, where men sat and gambled or sparred with one another and womenfolk talked with babes on their hips or prepared food for the next meal, or, having already cooked it, ate broth and beans out of earthenware pipkin balanced on their knees. Girls sat in groups, busy over fine embroidery. Sigmar saw life carry on in all its vibrancy as He walked by, unnoticed by all. Out through the iron bound gate He walked and down the well-worn track. Carts rumbled past bringing trade and wealth into the town. On either side the fields were tended by men and women, sowing seeds from baskets hung around their necks. Children ran behind them, beating drums and yelling to frighten off the greedy crows that circled overhead. He saw sheep and goats grazing peacefully, overlooked by shepherds. Then into the forest He plunged, journeying eastward towards the mountains.

He passed foresters as they cleared the track of fallen branches and laid traps for game. They carried hunting bows and axes and were accompanied by slavering hounds. But the beasts picked up no scent and Sigmar blessed them silently as He passed. When He emerged from the forest onto the eastward plain He was no longer alone. "lb His left trotted a wild, grey-headed wolf, and to His right there was a giant boar with black tusks. As He set off up the hillside they followed at His heels faithfully: the wolf with his wildness and courage, the boar with his wits and tenacity. When Sigmar reached the top of the hill, He turned. Before Him and sweeping out to the north and west was the forest.

Cutting through it in all directions were roads. Every town, village and settlement was connected, travellers and tradesmen moved like ants over them, spreading news and prosperity wherever they went. Troops of warriors tramped and cavalry cantered about the land lending the populace protection from danger. Smoke rose high in the sky from the villages � which were burgeoning into towns, which in their turn were growing into cities � and wherever Sigmar looked He could set the strength of mankind grow. Through Him, the tribes were united in a common cause. Enemies lurked everywhere but together men would overcome them. Sigmar looked at what He had forged with His strength, cunning and courage and He knew His work had come to an end. It was time for others to take up His mantle and forge an indomitable Empire.

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Cooked Auto: Aug 4, 2007

The Life of Sigmar is a pretty good lore book. Hilariously expensive to get these days so I'm kinda glad I bought it when it came out.

# ? Mar 13, 2019 15:16

Schadenboner: Aug 15, 2011; by Shine

Then he boarded the Emperor's shuttle and went off to fight Horus.

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Opentarget: Mar 17, 2009

Is anyone else looking forward to the horror books? I am pretty interested in more hosed up grimdark fiction and so far it seems like they'll deliver that.

# ? Mar 13, 2019 17:00

Arbite: Nov 4, 2009

Baron Porkface posted:

I just felt like posting my favorite passage of Warhammer fiction

It was a beautiful old world.

# ? Mar 13, 2019 17:16

Kharn_The_Betrayer: Nov 15, 2013; Fun Shoe

Baron Porkface posted:

I just felt like posting my favorite passage of Warhammer fiction

Here have some music to go with that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Fsb1OBpCN0

# ? Mar 13, 2019 18:09

Angry Lobster: May 16, 2011; Served with honor
and some clarified butter.

Just finished The buried dagger, I think it can be safely defines as "meh". The biggest problem I found is the pacing, it just drags on and on, switching between plot A, Mortarion and Typhon, with constant flashbacks, and plot B, with Malcador and the Errant Knights.

I feel you can safely skip most of the book and focus on the last part, because it's where most of the reveals/plot happens. Some of the plot points are either dumb how Typhon traps the Death Guard in the Warp, badly executed Malcador's adjuntant and the webway portal, how the Emperor recruits Mortarion and why he hates him or just pointless the entire Knight Errant action in Terra before the final revelation. Also, maybe I did not pay enough attention but I still don't understand Mortarion's character.

Don't get me wrong, this book is only average or bad, not offensive like Battle for the Abyss.

# ? Mar 13, 2019 18:23

MonsterEnvy: Feb 4, 2012; Shocked I tell you

Baron Porkface posted:

Sigmar abdicating.

And then he did not put a system for his succession in place, utterly screwing his Empire.

# ? Mar 13, 2019 21:13

Duzzy Funlop: Jan 13, 2010; Hi there, would you like to try some spicy products?

I'm halfway through Ruinstorm, and I actually put down the Kindle to come here and post "What the gently caress?"

I mean, it started out a bit odd, but I was all on board for running the gauntlet to Terra.

Then there's the weird intermission with that planet with the refugees from Pythos that serves to open up a side quest or something and then they peace out because the side quest is now pivotal in finding the way to Terra because reasons.

Then there's a colossal demon ship that seems like it may be elemental to the plot, but they don't quite catch it.

And then they stumble across a demon fortress that is so comically large, it actually made me laugh out loud. Like, a space fortress slash wall the size of an actual loving solar system that can annihilate them in a second.

So it kills like two ships...
by sucking them into a giant war horn...
in space...

So Bobby G. goes "oh yeah, that fortress needs to go lol, let's find a door"
And Johnny Lionelsson goes "hey guys, I found a door, let's go in"
"zoinks, there's more guns in here that can end us all"
*random battle-barge captain* "it's cool, gang, I'll shield the the entirety of three legion fleets by sacrificing my ship, y'all Gucci"
Bobby: "Sweet, dude. Hey Johnny, let's get behind that planet in the middle of the tunnel, because it somehow puts us in the blind spot of all guns of this solar system sized fortress that we're in. Lol, made it"
Lionel: "oh man, that's what I call a sticky situation. Hey Sandy angelface, whaddaya say we mission impossible this poo poo?"
Everyone: "Awww yisss" *high-five*

What in the world is going on?!?
I mean, it's decent bolter porn, and I love me some giant gently caress-off structures and whatnot, but oh my loving days...

Duzzy Funlop fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Mar 13, 2019

# ? Mar 13, 2019 21:21

DARPA: Apr 24, 2005; We know what happens to people who stay in the middle of the road. They get run over.

Duzzy Funlop posted:

What in the world is going on?!?

Yeah it's weird. Reminded me of the traveler episode of tng where Westley gets groomed by the alien and takes the Enterprise on an acid trip.

If you ignore the implausibility of scale, I think the demon's goal is for the loyal primarchs to turn on each other in a very specific way where each feels justified, but cannot reconcile with the others.

Unfortunately the scale of the obstacles makes it feel like the imperium fleets could be annihilated in a blink, so why all the effort?

# ? Mar 14, 2019 02:36

D-Pad: Jun 28, 2006

DARPA posted:

Yeah it's weird. Reminded me of the traveler episode of tng where Westley gets groomed by the alien and takes the Enterprise on an acid trip.

If you ignore the implausibility of scale, I think the demon's goal is for the loyal primarchs to turn on each other in a very specific way where each feels justified, but cannot reconcile with the others.

Unfortunately the scale of the obstacles makes it feel like the imperium fleets could be annihilated in a blink, so why all the effort?

Well there is always the theory that Chaos got exactly the result it wanted. The cabal were right, if Horus won mankind would destroy itself and Chaos would go extinct. It would also lose if Emps completed his webway plan. What happened is exactly what chaos wanted and gets us the 40k status quo that fuels chaos with forever war.

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MonsterEnvy: Feb 4, 2012; Shocked I tell you

D-Pad posted:

Well there is always the theory that Chaos got exactly the result it wanted. The cabal were right, if Horus won mankind would destroy itself and Chaos would go extinct. It would also lose if Emps completed his webway plan. What happened is exactly what chaos wanted and gets us the 40k status quo that fuels chaos with forever war.

Well I doubt Chaos would go extinct if Mankind destroyed itself. There are other intelligent races it can feed on.

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moths: Aug 25, 2004; I would also still appreciate some danger.

Not really.

The Eldar learned from their mistake, Chaos doesn't like Tau, Orks are Necrons are Chaos-immune by design, and nobody else has the numbers to fuel a substantive Chaos presence in the material realm.

It's implied that the ascendancy of Chaos in 40k is a direct result of humanity's loving everything up in 30k.

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Guyver: Dec 5, 2006

Murder loving a god of depravity in to existence is a pretty glaring mistake on the knife ears' part.

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Randalor: Sep 4, 2011

moths posted:

Not really.

The Eldar learned from their mistake, Chaos doesn't like Tau, Orks are Necrons are Chaos-immune by design, and nobody else has the numbers to fuel a substantive Chaos presence in the material realm.

It's implied that the ascendancy of Chaos in 40k is a direct result of humanity's loving everything up in 30k.

Gonna have to disagree with you on that point there, chief. Unless by "learned from their mistake" you mean "Plan on turning their entire race into yet another God to punch the God they hatefucked into existence" or "Decided to hide in the webway and continue to hatefuck each other and any other races they can get ahold of".

Hell, I'm pretty sure that the continued existence of the Eldar would keep Slaanish going if only out of spite.

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Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
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RIP My Iron Lady

moths posted:

Orks are Chaos-immune by design,

Khorne Stormboys used to be a thing, and Gork and Mork are very much Chaos gods.

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moths: Aug 25, 2004; I would also still appreciate some danger.

Khorne boyz were back before orks were retconned into engineered bio-weapons. Gork and Mork are gods, but only in how Warhammer theology supposes gods are warp entities reflecting the material world.

They're trying to spread ork beliefs to gain power, but not by corrupting humans (although this happens). They're just counting on orks to conquer and prosper. Propper ork gods.

And yeah, you're probably right abput the Eldar. But they're already a dying race.

# ? Mar 14, 2019 13:51

Angry Lobster: May 16, 2011; Served with honor
and some clarified butter.

Slaanesh has diversified its portfolio and enrichened its diet with humans, at this point eldar are just luxury treats, extra tasty but few and far between.

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Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
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moths posted:

Khorne boyz were back before orks were retconned into engineered bio-weapons. Gork and Mork are gods, but only in how Warhammer theology supposes gods are warp entities reflecting the material world.

They're trying to spread ork beliefs to gain power, but not by corrupting humans (although this happens). They're just counting on orks to conquer and prosper. Propper ork gods.

They're also a massively psychic race that literally manifests things from sheer belief, with a blatant disregard for order (which is itself merely one possible outcome of Chaos blar blar). The Khorne Stormboys were gone in the late 80's due to brand consolidation, but the models were pretty great and I kind of like the idea of rebellious teenaged orks picking other gods of violence to worship like people talk about being satanists in reality.

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Randalor: Sep 4, 2011

Arquinsiel posted:

They're also a massively psychic race that literally manifests things from sheer belief, with a blatant disregard for order (which is itself merely one possible outcome of Chaos blar blar). The Khorne Stormboys were gone in the late 80's due to brand consolidation, but the models were pretty great and I kind of like the idea of rebellious teenaged orks picking other gods of violence to worship like people talk about being satanists in reality.

I just love them for the "rebellious teenager orks" rebelling by following a strictly disciplined, organized military order that frowns on in-fighting. I would love to see Khorn Stormboyz return if they also have ones that splintered off to follow the God-Emperor. Same structure and discipline, just a different coat of paint.

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jadebullet: Mar 25, 2011; MY LIFE FOR YOU!

Personally, I'm partial to the chaos genestealer cults and I'm glad they brought the concept back in the first GSC codex. (there is a cult that wound up at the Garden of Nurgle who became amused and grandfatherly toward his new vector of infection)

So if you want you can make Chaotic Genestealer cults and even take it a step further and make a Dark Mechanicus cult.

Which is what I'm working on converting up. (the grub/maggot body is still a WIP and needs a few more layers of detail)

# ? Mar 14, 2019 15:40

The Iron Rose: May 12, 2012; Cat Army

Titandeath was rad. Loved how female focused it was too. It's a rare thing in 40k or 30k, and Guy Haley somehow managed the pregnancy plotline pretty well too. Fantastic novel all around.

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berzerkmonkey: Jul 23, 2003

Arquinsiel posted:

Seems the young adult novels have been out for a while now and I didn't notice. Has anyone read them yet?

They came out and 40K and AoS (an already dead game, so it didn't really matter anyway) crashed and burned due to the influx of children and women and GW went bankrupt immediately. The chuds were right all along...

# ? Mar 14, 2019 16:26

Arquinsiel: Jun 1, 2006; "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

Randalor posted:

I just love them for the "rebellious teenager orks" rebelling by following a strictly disciplined, organized military order that frowns on in-fighting. I would love to see Khorn Stormboyz return if they also have ones that splintered off to follow the God-Emperor. Same structure and discipline, just a different coat of paint.

Yeah, there's no reason that Blood-Axe orks wouldn't go super "FOR DA EMPRAH!" TBH, and I'd love to see that played up more.

jadebullet posted:

Personally, I'm partial to the chaos genestealer cults and I'm glad they brought the concept back in the first GSC codex. (there is a cult that wound up at the Garden of Nurgle who became amused and grandfatherly toward his new vector of infection)

Running fan theory at the time I was getting into 40k was that Tyranids were a macro-virus organism that was entirely under Nurgle's control. The re-introduction of Genestealer cults to the game has opened up all kinds of space for funky religious infighting though, and I welcome them back. Also badass minis too.

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Arc Hammer: Mar 4, 2013; Got any deathsticks?

If Ibram Gaunt is Richard Sharpe in space, does that make Macaroth space Wellington?

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Cooked Auto: Aug 4, 2007

Arcsquad12 posted:

If Ibram Gaunt is Richard Sharpe in space, does that make Macaroth space Wellington?

Yeah I could buy that. Even if it feels like the Sabbat Crusade fluff book aimed more for a Napoleon angle for him.

Also I've been reading the first Inquisition War book recently. It's an interesting read so far and its fun to notice all the slight differences between old and new warhammer fiction.

# ? Mar 15, 2019 15:53

bunnyofdoom: Mar 29, 2008; THE HATE CRIME DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON

Arcsquad12 posted:

If Ibram Gaunt is Richard Sharpe in space, does that make Macaroth space Wellington?

Now I know Cain was originally space flashman but he's really more space Blackadder and Jurgen SpaceBaldrick.

(Also i guess Corbec is space Harper)

# ? Mar 15, 2019 19:20

Arc Hammer: Mar 4, 2013; Got any deathsticks?

Gaunt is a much more scrupulous man than Sharpe, however.

I'd put Macaroth as Wellington if Slaydo was Napoleon.

Biota is Hogan and Van Voytz is the numerous commanding officers who actually like Sharpe. Which would make Lugo into Simmerson.

# ? Mar 15, 2019 21:52

bunnyofdoom: Mar 29, 2008; THE HATE CRIME DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON

Arcsquad12 posted:

Gaunt is a much more scrupulous man than Sharpe, however.

I'd put Macaroth as Wellington if Slaydo was Napoleon.

Biota is Hogan and Van Voytz is the numerous commanding officers who actually like Sharpe. Which would make Lugo into Simmerson.

Would the Vitrian Dragoon colonel be Frederickson then? Or Blas Vivar?

Obviously Larkin is Hagman.

Wait are doing books or tv series?

# ? Mar 16, 2019 00:15

Arc Hammer: Mar 4, 2013; Got any deathsticks?

Both.

Lijah Cuu is Hakeswill. Meryn is that Irish bastard who killed Perkins.

# ? Mar 16, 2019 01:39

bunnyofdoom: Mar 29, 2008; THE HATE CRIME DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON

Arcsquad12 posted:

Both.

Lijah Cuu is Hakeswill. Meryn is that Irish bastard who killed Perkins.

Oh gently caress Lijah is so goddamned Hakeswill i am pissed I missed it.

Is Anawakar Sec therefore Ducos? Plans within plans.

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Arc Hammer: Mar 4, 2013; Got any deathsticks?

If that makes Gaur into Napoleon I'm having a fun time imagining a giant angry chaos marine wearing a bicorn hat.

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