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Proust Malone
Apr 4, 2008

Boomer Facebook posted:


"A young man with his pants hanging half off his rear, two gold front teeth, and a half inch thick gold chain around his neck, walked into the local welfare office to pick up his check.

He marched up to the counter and said, "Hi. You know, I just HATE drawing welfare. I'd really rather have a job. I don't like taking advantage of the system, getting something for nothing."

The social worker behind the counter said "Your timing is excellent. We just got a job opening from a very wealthy old man who wants a chauffeur and bodyguard for his beautiful daughter. You'll have to drive around in his 2018 Mercedes-Benz GT, and he will supply all of your clothes."

"Because of the long hours, meals will be provided. You'll also be expected to escort the daughter on her overseas holiday trips. This is rather awkward to say, but you will also have, as part of your job, the assignment to satisfy her sexual urges as the daughter is in her mid-20's and has a rather strong sex drive."

The guy, just plain wide-eyed, said, "You're bull-shittin' me!"
The social worker said, "Yeah, well . . . You started it . . . . “

Proust Malone fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Mar 19, 2019

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Hello Sailor
May 3, 2006

we're all mad here


"Why didn't you say the welfare recipient was black? We both know you wanted to."

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

Hello Sailor posted:

"Why didn't you say the welfare recipient was black? We both know you wanted to."

Uhhh, what about that says anything about race?
So much for the tolerant left.

Jurgan
May 8, 2007

Just pour it directly into your gaping mouth-hole you decadent slut

This is basically the smear that destroyed ACORN, claiming that its purpose was to help black people engage in prostitution legally.

jojoinnit
Dec 13, 2010

Strength and speed, that's why you're a special agent.


Boomer Facebook lol

CuddleCryptid
Jan 11, 2013

Things could be going better

jojoinnit posted:


Boomer Facebook lol

It's really, really surreal seeing people actually praising ShuckS

Invalid Validation
Jan 13, 2008




Really weird cause she doesn’t do anything since they really don’t have press conferences anymore.

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

🎧Listen to Cylindricule!🎵
https://linktr.ee/Cylindricule

Invalid Validation posted:

Really weird cause she doesn’t do anything since they really don’t have press conferences anymore.

That's the sort of transparency her supporters want.

Taerkar
Dec 7, 2002

kind of into it, really

Invalid Validation posted:

Really weird cause she doesn’t do anything since they really don’t have press conferences anymore.

She spends her days dropping sick* burns on twitter.

20 Blunts
Jan 21, 2017
you guys wanna hear the worst poo poo? one of my very online (and aging) uncles has discovered the use of mass text to send poo poo you'd find in this thread. FreedomWire articles straight to my brain, glug glug

Bombadilillo
Feb 28, 2009

The dock really fucks a case or nerfing it.

Autistic Edgy Guy posted:

you guys wanna hear the worst poo poo? one of my very online (and aging) uncles has discovered the use of mass text to send poo poo you'd find in this thread. FreedomWire articles straight to my brain, glug glug

:justpost:

Wtf

20 Blunts
Jan 21, 2017
https://freedomwire.com/stop-sending-your-kids-to-college/


"Patriotic Truth" posted:


The elitist college professors use the campus as a leftist propaganda institution.

The likelihood that college graduates will obtain a high-paying job with a four-year degree is diminishing.

That is not to say all college is a waste of time. Some degrees are very useful. For example, students who attend medical school or earn engineering degrees do very well.

However, college isn’t for everyone. And the push for college has hurt the American economy.

Blue-collar workers have been looked down upon for years; a push by elitists to attend college has left the economy with a shortage of high-skilled blue-collar jobs.

But our kids must go to school to get a degree in feminist studies and to be taught to hate America; that is more important.

Colleges are overwhelmingly staffed with leftist college professors; their paychecks depend on parents sending their kids to leftist campus propaganda mills.

There is dignity in working with one’s hands; earning money and supporting one’s family through hard work is a noble pursuit.

The elitists on our college campuses are wrong to suggest that a four-year degree is the only way to obtain a high-quality job.

In fact, millennials are more likely to get paid more getting hands-on experience through an apprenticeship and other vocational training.

Earnings for holders of four-year degrees have dropped over the past decade. In 2008, more than one-third of college graduates worked at occupations such as waiting tables and manning cash registers, jobs traditionally held by non-college graduates.

That social justice waitress of yours—who hates her life—may well have earned a degree in gender studies, and is now asking people like you for your drink order. It wasn’t worth the thousands of dollars in student loan debt.

There is an oversupply of jobs that require a college degree.

Graduates with degrees in computer science and law are having a hard time getting a job.

Through 2016, the number of graduates in the information field will be three times the number of job openings.

Law schools are pumping out more lawyers than the market needs. Thirty percent of those passing the bar exam aren’t even working in the profession.

Why is there a shortage of blue-collar workers?

One reason is because millennials don’t want to get their hands dirty. Put simply: They are lazy.

Today’s youth tend to regard trade crafts such as plumbing, masonry, and carpentry as below their standards.

They would rather drink craft beer and play Xbox—while complaining about the greedy capitalists—than work hard with their hands.

There is a negative perception about blue-collar jobs.

Mike Rowe, host of Dirty Jobs on Discovery Channel, has observed this trend. He said, “Higher education is in one column and everything else is called alternative. And those kinds of pursuits are reserved for people who are somehow deficient or somehow not cut out for the desirable path… What’s aspirational about ‘middle skill’? It’s going to take a generation to get people to really challenge the stereotypes.”

He is right.

For too long, high-skilled trade jobs have been derided. It is time for this to change.

We need to start encouraging our children to pursue training in high-skilled trade jobs.

Sending them to college will likely leave them working in a dead end job.

The Marxist college professors be damned!


im the social justice waitress

jjack229
Feb 14, 2008
Articulate your needs. I'm here to listen.

There is no shortage of issues with that article, but I can't get over how bad it reads. It's like two different people each wrote an article on the topic and someone else just interlaced their sentences with no regard to flow.

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010
if only they got some sort of writing lessons from some sort of educational expert that specialized in the written art/word.

GoutPatrol
Oct 17, 2009

*Stupid Babby*


the social justice waitress: best served...cold

this idea probably needs more workshopping but I'm inbetween class breaks now

Bombadilillo
Feb 28, 2009

The dock really fucks a case or nerfing it.


I asked for it

Invalid Validation
Jan 13, 2008




I can never get over how lomg those loving drizzling ling shits articles are. The kind of people who like that poo poo don’t read that much. It’s why they’re on social media to begin with cause they fuckin love videos or 2 word memes.

Mornacale
Dec 19, 2007

n=y where
y=hope and n=folly,
prospects=lies, win=lose,

self=Pirates
I always want to ask "who is college for and not for?" when someone says it's not for everyone.

nsaP
May 4, 2004

alright?
It's for people who have a career path in mind where a degree is necessary and not for people who don't. It's not that wrong, I'm in retail and there are people with graduate degrees making less than me working alongside me. And trades need people and you make decent money. Especially with some degrees being worthless. I saw a job posting for an outdoor educator job this summer that required a bachelors and started at 10.something an hour. lmao.

Ed: still have a screenshot in my roll from lollin about it then

nsaP fucked around with this message at 08:04 on Mar 20, 2019

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice
Is the joke there that that job should be at least like 30$ an hour?

e: Yeah a Bachelors is the new GED and is being used as a filter.

Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

They can fight us
But they'll never Beetus

nsaP posted:

It's for people who have a career path in mind where a degree is necessary and not for people who don't. It's not that wrong, I'm in retail and there are people with graduate degrees making less than me working alongside me. And trades need people and you make decent money. Especially with some degrees being worthless. I saw a job posting for an outdoor educator job this summer that required a bachelors and started at 10.something an hour. lmao.

Ed: still have a screenshot in my roll from lollin about it then



This is such a lovely and quintessential capitalist view of what a University education is "for" and the sooner we can divorce society from this brain disease the better. I know that is essentially what it is for in the context of today's society, I'm just saying that it sucks and generally tends to make people intellectually incurious and think that the only things worth learning are things that make them more money.

ToxicSlurpee
Nov 5, 2003

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Pillbug

Mornacale posted:

I always want to ask "who is college for and not for?" when someone says it's not for everyone.

Somebody who wants to be a stay at home parent can probably skip college. We also need people who push broom all day so somebody who decides they just want to do whatever labory things need done can probably skip it too. Trades people also don't need college; plumbers, truckers, electricians, welders, etc. don't need to be university educated. A hell of a lot of trades you can pick up through apprenticeship programs. I've met a fair number of computer touchers that never went to college at all; some of them are entirely self-taught while others did a bootcamp then went into entry level positions. They're doing just fine. That's just off the top of my head.

Yeah there are job where a degree is a hard requirement but telling everybody they have to go to college is pretty crazy.

ToxicSlurpee fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Mar 20, 2019

jivjov
Sep 13, 2007

But how does it taste? Yummy!
Dinosaur Gum
The idea that "you have to go to college or you won't amount to anything in life" is such an insidious one, but also incredibly pervasive.

darthbob88
Oct 13, 2011

YOSPOS

Mornacale posted:

I always want to ask "who is college for and not for?" when someone says it's not for everyone.
People who want to work in a credential-requiring or creative field, like STEM, medicine, engineering, writing, music, should go to college because they/we would benefit significantly from it. People who work primarily in trades or semi-skilled labor would get less financial benefit from a degree. On the other hand, if a construction worker wants to learn about Baroque paintings because it would make him happy, who am I to say no?

CuddleCryptid
Jan 11, 2013

Things could be going better

nsaP posted:

It's for people who have a career path in mind where a degree is necessary and not for people who don't. It's not that wrong, I'm in retail and there are people with graduate degrees making less than me working alongside me. And trades need people and you make decent money. Especially with some degrees being worthless. I saw a job posting for an outdoor educator job this summer that required a bachelors and started at 10.something an hour. lmao.

Ed: still have a screenshot in my roll from lollin about it then



Love how it's 37.5 hours, not 40, so no healthcare

ToxicSlurpee
Nov 5, 2003

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Pillbug

darthbob88 posted:

People who want to work in a credential-requiring or creative field, like STEM, medicine, engineering, writing, music, should go to college because they/we would benefit significantly from it. People who work primarily in trades or semi-skilled labor would get less financial benefit from a degree. On the other hand, if a construction worker wants to learn about Baroque paintings because it would make him happy, who am I to say no?

You can learn about Baroque paintings outside of college and in that case said construction worker could just sign up for the class without actually seeking a degree. The other really freaking weird thing is this attitude that you absolutely must only ever learn things in a classroom.

But it's like...libraries have existed almost as long as writing. Now we have the internet which gives you access to more information than you could ever possibly consume. There's just no need to step into a classroom for some things.

CuddleCryptid
Jan 11, 2013

Things could be going better

ToxicSlurpee posted:

You can learn about Baroque paintings outside of college and in that case said construction worker could just sign up for the class without actually seeking a degree. The other really freaking weird thing is this attitude that you absolutely must only ever learn things in a classroom.

But it's like...libraries have existed almost as long as writing. Now we have the internet which gives you access to more information than you could ever possibly consume. There's just no need to step into a classroom for some things.

The issue is not that you are unable to learn things in classrooms, it's that learning them without proof of doing so is almost worthless in a business sense.

College isn't for education, it's for passing an HR screen

Mr. Fall Down Terror
Jan 24, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

ToxicSlurpee posted:

But it's like...libraries have existed almost as long as writing. Now we have the internet which gives you access to more information than you could ever possibly consume. There's just no need to step into a classroom for some things.

the internet is chock full of garbage information and information that would benefit from interpretation, the role of an educator is not simply to broadcast an educational signal to be received by some remote unit but rather to act as a guide and a gateway to what information is good to know, and how to consume it

even libraries aren't just piles of loose books, libraries happen to be filled with librarians who are trained to help people find books which are useful for whatever it is the patron wants to learn about

further, it helps to have a dedicated time set aside to do a thing with someone who knows what they're doing. anyone can just go into a field and move rocks around but gyms exist and so do personal trainers. anyone can put vegetables in a pot with some boiling water but recipes exist and so do cooking workshops

if anything the huge amount of information on the internet underscores the necessity of someone to help you sort through it all. anyone can learn history from watching youtube all day, except whoops that's a great way to become a holocaust denying nazi

Mr. Fall Down Terror fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Mar 20, 2019

20 Blunts
Jan 21, 2017
The best part of my uncle sending me that article is I'm the first person on that side of the family (and the other side actually) to earn a degree from a four year college, or anything beyond a CDL really. You can talk about how pointless college is and take whatever attitude you want, you might be right, but its different when no one in your family has been able to go.

ToxicSlurpee
Nov 5, 2003

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Pillbug

luxury handset posted:

the internet is chock full of garbage information and information that would benefit from interpretation, the role of an educator is not simply to broadcast an educational signal to be received by some remote unit but rather to act as a guide and a gateway to what information is good to know, and how to consume it

even libraries aren't just piles of loose books, libraries happen to be filled with librarians who are trained to help people find books which are useful for whatever it is the patron wants to learn about

further, it helps to have a dedicated time set aside to do a thing with someone who knows what they're doing. anyone can just go into a field and move rocks around but gyms exist and so do personal trainers. anyone can put vegetables in a pot with some boiling water but recipes exist and so do cooking workshops

if anything the huge amount of information on the internet underscores the necessity of someone to help you sort through it all. anyone can learn history from watching youtube all day, except whoops that's a great way to become a holocaust denying nazi

Which is why it's important to learn to vet information. Assuming that everybody who watches a lot of YouTube will eventually become a Nazi is really quite wrong. Yeah that happens but it's a pretty small minority of people. There are entire channels of videos made by literal professors on a subject giving in depth explanations about pretty much anything you want to know. I learned about differential equations and complex analysis that way. Even so that's why I said it's fine to just take random classes in whatever interests you; you don't have to be seeking a degree to take a class in something nor do you have to even give a single crap about degrees at all if they aren't relevant to whatever it is you're doing in life. For some people degrees aren't relevant. A fork lift operator who decided to just be a fork lift operator his entire life doesn't need a degree. It just isn't relevant to that career; all that matters is that he has the proper certifications for the fork lift whatever they are. Yeah he can take classes in whatever random crap he takes an interest in but getting a degree would be pretty pointless.

Autistic Edgy Guy posted:

The best part of my uncle sending me that article is I'm the first person on that side of the family (and the other side actually) to earn a degree from a four year college, or anything beyond a CDL really. You can talk about how pointless college is and take whatever attitude you want, you might be right, but its different when no one in your family has been able to go.

I'm a first generation college student to. I think one of the things that's been happening is these people are seeing a cultural shift that shits all over people who don't have degrees. What I'm saying is that I think that's absurd. If somebody decides that they're totally cool with driving truck for their entire working life then, hey, more power to him we need people to drive trucks. You don't need a bachelor's degree to drive a truck well.

Mr. Fall Down Terror
Jan 24, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

ToxicSlurpee posted:

Which is why it's important to learn to vet information.

brb, teaching myself how to vet my own information and develop a critical sense of media literacy on my own while flying around like a galaxy brain witch by pulling on my own bootstraps

MasterSlowPoke
Oct 9, 2005

Our courage will pull us through

CuddleCryptid posted:

Love how it's 37.5 hours, not 40, so no healthcare

Also the schedule is 40 hours plus some evenings.

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

Let's do the space-time warp again!

luxury handset posted:

brb, teaching myself how to vet my own information and develop a critical sense of media literacy on my own while flying around like a galaxy brain witch by pulling on my own bootstraps

In a good world, we would be teaching people things like critical thinking skills and how to engage with information and persuasive writing and basics of philosophy, etc. in high school, so that everyone would have the chance to benefit from those skills and would be better equipped to learn independently once they were done with basic schooling - they could go to college, sure, but would also have better skills for simply learning.

Instead we orient all the required education toward rote learning and test taking, so now colleges spend the first year doing remedial education and teaching people how to actually write instead.

:smith:

PJOmega
May 5, 2009

Ashcans posted:

In a good world, we would be teaching people things like critical thinking skills and how to engage with information and persuasive writing and basics of philosophy, etc. in high school, so that everyone would have the chance to benefit from those skills and would be better equipped to learn independently once they were done with basic schooling - they could go to college, sure, but would also have better skills for simply learning.

Instead we orient all the required education toward rote learning and test taking, so now colleges spend the first year doing remedial education and teaching people how to actually write instead.

:smith:

Worse, I'm friends with a lot of people who decided to go into teaching to "give back." Now if you try to teach critical thinking or analysis of modern events you'll have parents screaming at you and administration coming down on you because Johnny questioned Fox News or a pastor's anti-gay sermon. And this is in the suburbs of California. I can only imagine how bad it is in the Midwest or other places where conservativism is the norm.

Mr. Fall Down Terror
Jan 24, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

PJOmega posted:

Worse, I'm friends with a lot of people who decided to go into teaching to "give back." Now if you try to teach critical thinking or analysis of modern events you'll have parents screaming at you and administration coming down on you because Johnny questioned Fox News or a pastor's anti-gay sermon. And this is in the suburbs of California. I can only imagine how bad it is in the Midwest or other places where conservativism is the norm.

the suburbs of california are a place where conservativism is the norm, don't fool yourself

california gave the nation ronald reagan and richard nixon. bill clinton was from arkansas

Push El Burrito
May 9, 2006

Soiled Meat
I teach children critical thinking on the streets, driving my rascal at them at top speeds and waving a broomstick around.

ToxicSlurpee
Nov 5, 2003

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Pillbug
Critical thinking is difficult and emotional appeals can override that pretty easily even among people you think are very sophisticated.

We're still stupid, stinky apes. Never forget that.

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010
Remember when the Texas state gov. banned critical thinking due to commie atheism

galagazombie
Oct 31, 2011

A silly little mouse!

luxury handset posted:

the internet is chock full of garbage information and information that would benefit from interpretation, the role of an educator is not simply to broadcast an educational signal to be received by some remote unit but rather to act as a guide and a gateway to what information is good to know, and how to consume it

even libraries aren't just piles of loose books, libraries happen to be filled with librarians who are trained to help people find books which are useful for whatever it is the patron wants to learn about

further, it helps to have a dedicated time set aside to do a thing with someone who knows what they're doing. anyone can just go into a field and move rocks around but gyms exist and so do personal trainers. anyone can put vegetables in a pot with some boiling water but recipes exist and so do cooking workshops

if anything the huge amount of information on the internet underscores the necessity of someone to help you sort through it all. anyone can learn history from watching youtube all day, except whoops that's a great way to become a holocaust denying nazi

On this same note I work in the Archives, which works differently than even "normal" libraries. And let me tell you if we weren't there most people couldn't find their way through the front door without our help. Not because they're stupid, It's just a whole different way of organizing, processing, and finding information.

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PhantomOfTheCopier
Aug 13, 2008

Pikabooze!

PJOmega posted:

Worse, I'm friends with a lot of people who decided to go into teaching to "give back." Now if you try to teach critical thinking or analysis of modern events you'll have parents screaming at you and administration coming down on you...
Indeed, some decades ago rote learning and pedagogy was dropped in favor of "discovery learning" and andragogy. Students can't evaluate and mitigate failure in the real world because they were taught that it's impossible to fail. They expect that "trying is correct".

Activities involving critical thinking necessarily suffer because graduates have no framework with which to categorize ideas. Language, philosophy, science, are all predicated on definitions, making communication very difficult when someone doesn't know the definitions and likewise believes "I had the right idea".

Self-taught individuals often lack understanding of underlying design, purpose and intent, and important interrelationships of the systems, tools, or ideas that they learn. This can snowball into inefficiencies in industry and business since it affects team productivity and product development (whether in design or manufacture). A well designed course of higher education should establish not that an individual can "use" or "apply", but that they "understand why it's used that way" and "why it's applied in that fashion" (and many other things).

In college one should learn to "ask" not "do". This is "excessively liberal". :eng99:

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