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High Lord Elbow posted:And the same guy who wouldn't take up arms against Darth Fuckin' Vader because of a sliver of potential goodness decided to chop up his innocent young nephew because... It was instinct - Luke looked into Ben's head, saw all the darkness, and his lightsaber was on before he knew it had come to his hand It's Ben who escalated things, and Luke drove himself into exile because of it Thank you, Jedi Dogma, for driving Luke to that point
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Vinylshadow posted:It was instinct - Luke looked into Ben's head, saw all the darkness, and his lightsaber was on before he knew it had come to his hand Imagine if there was actually a nephew killing instinct and we just had to account for it as a society. "Avuncular" would take on a whole new meaning
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High Lord Elbow posted:And the same guy who wouldn't take up arms against Darth Fuckin' Vader because of a sliver of potential goodness decided to chop up his innocent young nephew because... your characterization of luke in the throne room is not true though. he did take up arms multiple times, one time nearly chopping Vader to bits as his emotions got the best of him. Imagine being Luke and seeing inside Bens mind the same evil you nearly killed your father for/died yourself and NOT having an immediate emotional reaction, in this case igniting his saber (almost in self defense). youre pretending people grow in a linear manner, where life experience utterly changes the essence of who you are. lukes seasoning lead him to not move beyond igniting his saber. i actually have come to view johnsons writing of luke as pretty good if flawed. the movir generally sucks though
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Apr 18, 2019 00:33
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The specific moment of the attempted/not murder has been beaten to death by both sides. The real gift that keeps on giving is all Luke’s other insane sociopathic actions after that point
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Apr 18, 2019 00:38
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Still can’t believe he never admitted what he did to Ben's parents
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Zoran posted:Still can’t believe he never admitted what he did to Ben's parents In Luke's defense, they'd just blown up the Death Star and he didn't know Leia was his sister at that point Or are we talking about something else?
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My problem with any redemption plot for Kylo is... he's just too realistic a dickhead, you know? Like, Vader's a bad guy, but he's an over the top comic book villain. Kylo's just too close to reality. He's some jerk who thinks he's hot poo poo and acts like a creep around women - I get enough of those assholes getting away with their poo poo in real life.
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Angry Salami posted:My problem with any redemption plot for Kylo is... he's just too realistic a dickhead, you know? Like, Vader's a bad guy, but he's an over the top comic book villain. Kylo's just too close to reality. He's some jerk who thinks he's hot poo poo and acts like a creep around women - I get enough of those assholes getting away with their poo poo in real life. Yeah, hes Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold. The idea of capital E-Evil today isnt a nazi empire like it was in the 70s; it's a bunch of incapable unstable shitheads with identity problems. I have my bitches about TFA but the writers (and Adam Driver) really sold that idea with Kylo. Itll be interesting to see if RoS argues that kind of person can be redeemed. Asbury fucked around with this message at 12:12 on Apr 18, 2019 |
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Apr 18, 2019 11:26
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"genocidal fascists, well, okay. Nice Guys, on the other hand" (kylo ren being both a Nice Guy and a genocidal fascist makes this joke not really work i suppose)
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Martman posted:OT: Yay! We killed the bad guy! Time for the good guys to fix everything! OT: The Galactic Civil War was about slavery PT: The Galactic Civil War was about member systems' rights ST: The Galactic Civil War was about slavery
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Calibanibal posted:yeah, everybody knows at least one kylo and if you dont...does that mean youre the kylo?
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Mameluke posted:OT: The Galactic Civil War was about slavery when did the OT ever argue it was about slavery they use droids as slaves as a matter of course it was about defeating an imperial government that thought blowing up whole planets was an acceptable form of legal/political governance (i.e. nuclear weapons are bad) (and america is bad)
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Angry Salami posted:My problem with any redemption plot for Kylo is... he's just too realistic a dickhead, you know? Like, Vader's a bad guy, but he's an over the top comic book villain. Kylo's just too close to reality. He's some jerk who thinks he's hot poo poo and acts like a creep around women - I get enough of those assholes getting away with their poo poo in real life. He doesn't act creepy aroudn women in the second one iirc
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Gonz posted:He probably isn’t. It’s either a flashback or a vision or a Holocron or a ghost of some kind. Palpatine turning to be some Star Wars Version of Jigsaw would be awful. Make him physical so McDiarmid can be in most of the film and actually make it good. I stand by having The Emperor win too.
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Ammanas posted:and if you dont...does that mean youre the kylo? We are all Kylos (and Skywalkers).
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Han Solo was also a creep to women who thought he was hot poo poo but Harrison Ford has charisma so we loved him. Adam Driver is a goody weirdo like us so we loathe him.
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s.i.r.e. posted:Palpatine turning to be some Star Wars Version of Jigsaw would be awful. Make him physical so McDiarmid can be in most of the film and actually make it good. I stand by having The Emperor win too. I dont really want to have to put an asterisk on the ending of Return of the Jedi every time I watch it so I mentally go nope he's not actually dead sorry when he get's thrown into the reactor. No reason he can't be some sort of evil force ghost though and allow him to ham it up plenty.
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Apr 18, 2019 22:57
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So when I died I met that dude that brought people back from the dead and - hey, it works! Or Kylo's "redemption" is killing rey because she's the Palpatine reincarnation and he's six shades of confused.
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The best possible outcome is having the emperor's body be disintegrated at the end of ROTJ but his essence merges with the giant kyber crystal in the heart of the new death star. This is a thoughtful approach that makes sense in-universe and would be pretty rad to see, so Disney will undoubtedly not go in that direction.
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I think it would be best if he was a spooky ghost
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Rey ultimately loses against a force ghost because there's realistically nothing she can do but faff about with her force powers and light saber against, well, a ghost. Then Kylo kills himself and throws Palpatine down into Force Hell.
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YaketySass posted:Paltergheist Empparition
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It will be super dumb if Sheev exists as anything but an old holographic recording. I can’t wait to see the Leia animatronic puppet.
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Episode 9: The Phantotine Menace.
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Farrier Theaks posted:Yeah, hes Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold. Kylo Ren is a 30-something Christian fundamentalist on a literal crusade - and evidently the highest ranking member of his church besides Snoke. The Columbine kids were ‘merely’ teen white supremacists doing domestic terrorism.
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High Lord Elbow posted:It will be super dumb if Sheev exists as anything but an old holographic recording. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKdDZeHKWhY
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Crabtree posted:Rey ultimately loses against a force ghost because there's realistically nothing she can do but faff about with her force powers and light saber against, well, a ghost. Then Kylo kills himself and throws Palpatine down into Force Hell. This is more or less how The Frighteners resolved, right? God I didn’t realize how relatively stacked that movie was for being such a flop.
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Kylo being in his 30s is really the cherry on top of the whole character, and it makes reylo even skeevier (a feat heretofore not thought possible)
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I'm hoping it's a brand new Skywalker introduced in the last two minutes of the film. Hard cut to Yoda Ghost, nodding. "Told you I did." DIRECTED BY JJ ABRAMS
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s.i.r.e. posted:Palpatine turning to be some Star Wars Version of Jigsaw would be awful. Make him physical so McDiarmid can be in most of the film and actually make it good. I stand by having The Emperor win too. According to the new EU he essentially is already has been established as setting the entire events of the new trilogy in motion upon his death. IIRC, in the Aftermath book series the Emperor had a secret apprentice who was to carry out a contingency plan that basically had him stage the Battle of Jaku so that the planet could be detonated and destroy both the Empire and Rebellion, therefore resetting the conflict somewhat. Palpatine believed if the Empire could not keep him alive it had ultimately failed and should not continue. He had an "Observatory" built in the core of Jakku, one of many that was searcing for an unknown dark side presence in the Unkown Regions(assuming Snoke). A Sith ritual was attempted to detonate the planet but is interrupted. The secret apprentice(Rax) is killed but tasks another to take the Emperors yacht and rendevouz with the last remaining Super Star Destroyer in the Unkown Regions. She does, meets up with a young Hux and his dad and vow to execute the Emperors "First Order" to rebuild the Empire. https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Aftermath:_Empire%27s_End I have a feeling at least part of this will be involved in whatever the Emperors role in Ep 9 is. AccountSupervisor fucked around with this message at 01:24 on Apr 19, 2019 |
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No Mods No Masters posted:Kylo being in his 30s is really the cherry on top of the whole character, and it makes reylo even skeevier (a feat heretofore not thought possible) It feels like Kylo wasn't supposed to be that old, I think.
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Kylo hasnt actually tried anything with Rey in the movies right? As much as some fans get wet over the idea. Like i dont even remember any sort of awkward scene where it's clear he wanted to
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No Mods No Masters posted:According to Daisy Ridley is 27, Adam is 35. So I would assume much closer to that.
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Taintrunner posted:Daisy Ridley is 27, Adam is 35. So I would assume much closer to that. Yea but when have actors ever really played their actual age on screen? I dont think their real age really matters. You could tell me Kylo is supposed to be 23 and i'd believe you
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Both actors play the characters as teenagers, which probably helps the reylo market considerably. But adam driver's 35 yo face is just too weird for the attempt to not feel hilariously off to me
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AccountSupervisor posted:I have a feeling at least part of this will be involved in whatever the Emperors role in Ep 9 is. It 100% won’t. The entire concept of ‘the Battle of Jakku’ was invented to retroactively explain the wreckage on Tatooine, after the initial concept - that it’s simply a junkyard - was dropped partway into production of TFA. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 02:22 on Apr 19, 2019 |
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