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Szmitten posted:My current feeling on dubs is that most from the late 80s to early 00s were pretty bad with no direction and not amazing actors; nowadays however the newer actors are actually way loving better but the directors and larger roles are the veterans from the 90s who still haven't improved. It gave us gems like Cyber City Oedo and the Gundam Wing dub. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2Q6AwrGUkQ
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The 80s and 90s dubs are bad mostly because professional VAs were not really a thing. So you had people that were learning on the job and that is a lovely place to be. Which is why it sucks the old VAs didn’t get a shot to improve on their oldshit
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Mar 27, 2019 23:18
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I mean if you forget rebuild 1 and 2 sure
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I didn’t know the rebuilds had old dubs. Seems like a weird choice I guess but the rebuilds are weird I guess
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Mar 28, 2019 00:24
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Has 3 been dubbed yet? I remember that was in dub hell
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Mar 28, 2019 01:10
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Zeruel posted:Has 3 been dubbed yet? I remember that was in dub hell Yeah everything is up to date.
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FilthyImp posted:Lol at the idea of just redoing a poo poo-rear end 90s VA delivery again. I'm sure Netflix wants Eva to sound like a PS1 cutscene voiceover. But... aren't Shinji/Misato/Asuka still the same in the movies? And they sound better because either they've been in way more roles since (Spencer) or have good voice direction now? (Grant and Keith) Hell, even Winn-Lee has been in more stuff since then and she doesn't sound too bad; maybe she can improve her Rei take (I do like the Rebuild Rei better though)
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MonsieurChoc posted:It gave us gems like Cyber City Oedo and the Gundam Wing dub. fun fact: that's Solaire from Dark Souls I'm not even loving joking go look at IMDB
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MonsieurChoc posted:It gave us gems like Cyber City Oedo and the Gundam Wing dub. 
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Zeruel posted:Has 3 been dubbed yet? I remember that was in dub hell I saw it dubbed in theaters in the US so it did eventually come out. It's also the only time I think I've ever seen dubbed anime of any kind
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Mar 29, 2019 02:14
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But this is legitimately amazing.
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Unmature posted:Thanks! No problem. I missed a few things like the Real Action Hero (RAH) line by Medicom of basically really tall doll-ish Evas that are more for presence than play factor, and the Soul of Chogokin Spec releases that are separate from the regular SoCs, and I'm pretty sure there's an MP Eva in the Revoltech line. The Mafex ones are also by Medicom and seem to just be shrinking down the RAH designs to be about 6-7 inches tall. They should include stands, and a decent number of accessories, while "only" being around $75 per instead of the obscene prices the Robot Damashii ones claim on the secondary market now. If my Mafex Robocops and John Wick are anything to go by they should be perfectly fine quality wise too. The Revoltech Rebuild-era ones have been getting reprints over the last half a year and shouldn't be too hard to find either.
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It's been a long time since I read anything about it, but I remember the non-union work that VA talent had done on anime dubs in the 90s became a sensitive topic as the work got higher profile leading into the 2000s (and thus the whole David Lucas/Steve Blum situation). Netflix's move to become a premier production company probably means they have some sensitivity around the issue. Unions do not gently caress around, to say the least. Speaking of voice talent, it must have been a wild shock if any otaku got word of the series and cast before it aired. "It's a mecha show from the people that did Gunbuster, with the actresses for Usagi Tsukino and Lina Inverse in it! It's gonna be so over the top!" Later: 
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:fun fact: that's Solaire from Dark Souls That's loving amazing.
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Does anyone have the royal tennenbaums evangelion tweet?
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Nm lol
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Nm lol 
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Nm lol  There's just so much beauty in this world, y'know?
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I think NGE would infinitely improved with the removal of SEELE. You can keep NERV and Gendo's plotting but SEELE seems so superfluous. Furthermore, they are directly responsible for all the people who misunderstand Eva. Their cryptic bullshit distracts and detracts from what the show is really about and people get caught up in trying to make sense of them. SEELE feels like it was just a product of the 90s love of the Illuminati that got tacked onto the anime. I'be been getting into more 90s fiction lately and between The X-Files, Old World of Darkness and Deus Ex, and of course my old love Xenogears, the decade was just obsessed with the idea every bad thing is reduceable to a shadowy cabal of all-powerful people.
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Apr 26, 2019 00:26
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if you remove the SEELE you void the warranty
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Without SEELE, Yui's motivations make no sense and Gendo's characterization suffers really badly as well. It would also be counter-productive to remove the arrogant old men toying with things they don't understand in a series that's in large part about how the older generation hosed up Japan. e: Functionally removing SEELE is what you get in Rebuild, and while it's interesting in its own right it's a very different statement. It makes Gendo into a villain lusting after a corpse instead of the slightly more nuanced portrait of a broken, lonely man neglecting and abusing his son. Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at 01:00 on Apr 26, 2019 |
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NERV doesn't make any sense without SEELE. Like, why would the UN decide to give all this power to NERV? Because Gendo was dark and mysterious and got into bar fights?
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SEELE is great and the intrigue between them and Gendo is a core part of the latter's character.
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:SEELE is great and the intrigue between them and Gendo is a core part of the latter's character. Really? I never got that impression at all. Gendo's character begins and ends with Yui. His relationship with everyone else comes back to Yui. I didn't think he spared SEELE a second thought. Tuxedo Catfish posted:Without SEELE, Yui's motivations make no sense and Gendo's characterization suffers really badly as well. It would also be counter-productive to remove the arrogant old men toying with things they don't understand n a series that's in large part about how the older generation hosed up Japan. This is also something I never thought of. Are you sure the series is about that? I don't doubt you but I recall nothing in Eva that made me think of that at all. As for Yui not making sense...she already makes no sense as it is given the narrative worships her in spite of the fact she's responsible for everything bad that happens to Gendo and Shinji due to incompetence or malice or incompetence so grand it's no different than malice. Fixing that plotline can only be a good.
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NikkolasKing posted:This is also something I never thought of. Are you sure the series is about that? I don't doubt you but I recall nothing in Eva that made me think of that at all. I don't think it's to the point of being a targeted message, but generational trauma is absolutely a theme in Evangelion, made very obvious with Shinji and Gendo but also exhibited with Asuka, Misato, arguably even Rei
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NikkolasKing posted:This is also something I never thought of. Are you sure the series is about that? I don't doubt you but I recall nothing in Eva that made me think of that at all. Pretty much everything out of Fuyutsuki's mouth is about his regrets and his hope that Yui as his student (and Gendo as his colleague) will undo the harm his generation presided over. In-narrative of course it's mostly about waking up the Angels and starting the timer on the end of the world, but Evangelion isn't exactly shy about using WWII imagery either. NikkolasKing posted:As for Yui not making sense...she already makes no sense as it is given the narrative worships her in spite of the fact she's responsible for everything bad that happens to Gendo and Shinji due to incompetence or malice or incompetence so grand it's no different than malice. It doesn't need fixing, and no, most of the bad things that happen to Gendo and Shinji are either Gendo's fault or the result of, you know, both of them being stuck between an apocalyptic prophecy and the Illuminati. Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at 04:18 on Apr 26, 2019 |
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NikkolasKing posted:Really? I never got that impression at all. Did you skip all the scenes where Gendo and SEELE are tug-of-warring over the future of humanity? The fact that Gendo has superiors and is maneuvering under them, maintaining deniability while spitting in their faces, is a key aspect of how and why Evangelion plays out how it does. As Tuxedo says, when you remove Gendo's superiors, he becomes a very different, darker character. NikkolasKing posted:As for Yui not making sense...she already makes no sense as it is given the narrative worships her in spite of the fact she's responsible for everything bad that happens to Gendo and Shinji due to incompetence or malice or incompetence so grand it's no different than malice. The narrative does not worship Yui. You confuse narrative with characterization and bias. See, our only perspective on Yui is through three figures: 1. Her obsessive husband, willing to risk ending the world to be reunited with her 2. Her old professor with his unrequited love, who works with her husband simply because he's still carrying a printer 3. Her emotionally-stunted son who sees her as someone who could deliver him from his nightmare world None of these three ever come to terms with what Yui was intending and/or truly wanted. You've pointed out, accurately, that Yui is not a good person. Do you think that perhaps the point of having three characters see her in such a fawning, angelic way might be deliberate? That you, as an outside observer, are supposed to see the gap between what Yui did (abandon her son and husband, potentially with full knowledge of what was to come, so she could serve as a monument to humanity) and how people see her? Remember that final episode where multiple characters talk about how there is the real you and the you that exists in the minds of others?
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She's not necessarily a bad person either. She performed the contact experiment that left her stuck inside Unit-01 because SEELE was going to murder her, and her version of Instrumentality very notably doesn't end with the extinction of the human race or SEELE ruling over the rest of humanity as gods.
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I like SEELE in part because, in a cast full of people who are otherwise driven by at least a half-dozen complexes per person, they're just a group of rich old fucks who do awful things because they would like to continue being rich old fucks for as long as they can conceive.
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:SEELE is great and the intrigue between them and Gendo is a core part of the latter's character. Milkfred E. Moore posted:Did you skip all the scenes where Gendo and SEELE are tug-of-warring over the future of humanity? The fact that Gendo has superiors and is maneuvering under them, maintaining deniability while spitting in their faces, is a key aspect of how and why Evangelion plays out how it does. As Tuxedo says, when you remove Gendo's superiors, he becomes a very different, darker character. One of my favourite things on rewatching is how clear it is that SEELE don't trust Gendo but they both put up with each other out of necessity. Each one prompts a reaction from the other that speeds things up and ruins everything. An incomplete list: -Gendo has Adam delivered to NERV. Shortly after SEELE sabotages NERV HQ to prep for a future invasion. -SEELE works on building an S2 engine to allow for them to perform instrumentality without Adam and Lilith. Then Unit 4 is lost (possibly sabotaged). Considering his comments about how the loss would teach SEELE a lesson I like to think Gendo arranged it. -Unit 1 devours an angel, prompting SEELE to kidnap Fuyutski to try and figure out what Gendo is up to. -SEELE starts panicking and rushes construction on the EVA series. Gendo responds by disposing of the Lance of Longinus. - In desperation SEELE send Kaworu into NERV. Ultimately SEELE and Gendo fail because in trying to manipulate the big picture they stop considering other people who go on to disrupt their plans (Yui, Rei, Kaworu etc)
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Yui was the main villain all along because she wanted 'muh proof humanity existed' by dooming the entire planted to LCL and Unit 1 flying through space forever.
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I think that she knew that humanity was going to fiddle with Adam, Lilith and the angels and it would cause the end of the world. At the very least, her plan causes the end of the world but with a way to come back after.
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I'm just being super reductive as a joke. Probably saw it as best of a bad situation.
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To be fair I'm never really sure if I'm underestimating or overestimating her agency at any given point. Like something that just recently occurred to me is I'm not really sure if she had the option to leave Unit-01 and be human again at the end of EoE or not. Instrumentality certainly doesn't seem to have been kind to its other psychopomps.
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NikkolasKing posted:This is also something I never thought of. Are you sure the series is about that? I don't doubt you but I recall nothing in Eva that made me think of that at all. Your homework assignment is to watch Evangelion again while paying more attention. Generational trauma and abuse is.. the thing. Removing SEELE is removing a bunch of characterisation for the worse.
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If the whole point of the show’s view of interpersonal interactions is “we are partially defined by others and their incomplete views of us, and vice versa”, and “without the limits imposed by those definitions, our subjective experiences are meaningless”, then Yui forging herself into a designated marker of “Humanity Existed” is more potent than just being a road marker out in space: it is a perpetual signifier to any other beings out there that allows humanity as a whole to have some meaning, no matter how incomplete and alien it will be when observed.
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My theory is Yui did the contact experiment just to see what would happen and didn’t think she’d get absorbed into the eva, and the whole thing about that making it so Shinji could hijack third impact was just a happy coincidence.
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Turns out the entire founding and operation of SEELE, GEHIRN and NERV is a string of accidents and wacky misunderstandings.
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Steamed Hams but it's Gendo and Keel.
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Thinking a bit more: Yui is barely existent in the show but her absence is what drives so much of it, and is what has traumatized much of the principle cast into being the way they are. It’s likely Yui being a distant and immortal reference point for humanity is not just what allows for people to decide to return from Instrumentality, but also perfectly thematically synchronized with what she represents. Like the Moon: cold,lifeless and distant, and yet it churns the oceans.
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