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Ginette Reno posted:It doesn't help that they killed off most of the good actors too. Now they have to lean on bad actors to carry bad dialogue and it doesn't often work. The show definitely has identifiable templates when it comes to writing dialogue. Specific characters have common trends (like Tyrion and Varys just trade quips while fellating each others' intelligence and ruminating how different they are) but a shocking number of dialogue scenes boil down to something like this: A: asks question (e.g. "what are you going to do?") B: quip based on question/evades questions with another question (e.g. "what must be done"/"what do you think I'm going to do?") This back-and-forth continues without resolution until the scene gets interrupted by someone else arriving and changing the topic or one of the characters walking off dramatically.
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Dash Rendar posted:and pissed off he didnt get to kill aejon snowgaryen giantbobbybheadscreaminginthebackground.jpg
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Why? What is she actually gonna do? Turn on him mid-battle? command Rhaegal to drop him off on the night king? Not really but why mentally rattle her literally just hours before she's going to be hopping into the 2nd and a half time she's actually had to go into a battle where she's actually in any sort of danger? And one where she's going to have to be working together with you extremely closely? It's a dumb move, very Starky Edit: but you're right there's no way this doesn't get "settled" by the time they're actually fighting the battle, probably in the form of Jon once again asserting that he doesn't want to rule anything, despite what keeps happening. Intel&Sebastian fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Apr 22, 2019 |
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In It For The Tank posted:The show definitely has identifiable templates when it comes to writing dialogue. Specific characters have common trends (like Tyrion and Varys just trade quips while fellating each others' intelligence and ruminating how different they are) but a shocking number of dialogue scenes boil down to something like this: Sir, please send us your resume to d.and.d@gameofthrones.com - you're perfect for the job!
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Apr 22, 2019 18:43
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If we upload a virus to the mothership which somehow can be connected to with a mac it will propagate out to all the other ships. This may give you guys enough time to uhh take em take em out take em down.
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Apr 22, 2019 18:50
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In It For The Tank posted:The show definitely has identifiable templates when it comes to writing dialogue. Specific characters have common trends (like Tyrion and Varys just trade quips while fellating each others' intelligence and ruminating how different they are) but a shocking number of dialogue scenes boil down to something like this: The dialogue this season reminds me of watching a Marvel movie. It's that cheesy and bad.
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Apr 22, 2019 19:02
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Also love how they have all the greatest war strategists in the world gathered under one roof and what they come up with is "idk lets stand out front and see if the Night King lets us kill him"
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Apr 22, 2019 19:09
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Also love how they have all the greatest war strategists in the world gathered under one roof and what they come up with is "idk lets stand out front and see if the Night King lets us kill him" Or how Brienne was given command of a flank despite no leadership experience or any experience fighting in a war.
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Apr 22, 2019 19:31
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Ginette Reno posted:I can't picture GRMM ever writing.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Also love how they have all the greatest war strategists in the world gathered under one roof and what they come up with is "idk lets stand out front and see if the Night King lets us kill him" It's really not a terrible plan. They've got giants thst can just kick the gates down and the infantry are themselves siege weapons (can climb walls and pile themselves up) so any castle defense strategy is worthless. You pretty much have to face them in the field head on with the Dothraki cavalry closing them in/encircling them, with falling back behind the dragonglass hedgehogs (those big six pointed barricade things) as a last resort. But it's all kinda pointless because we know it's going to be a shitshow where NK wins for plot reasons.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Why? What is she actually gonna do? Turn on him mid-battle? command Rhaegal to drop him off on the night king? If anything the dragons are going to turn on mom and fly off with dad because he lets them stay up late and doesn't send them to time out in a dark pit in Mereene for a season.
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Yeah I didn't expect them to try and survive a siege or anything but the dude who schemed away half of Stannis army before he even hit the beach at KL is sitting right there and it doesn't even look like they asked him if he's got any ideas
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Apr 22, 2019 19:47
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Another hour of people sitting in a room and talking, <30 seconds of CG zombie thing at the very end. Guess it's budget or the maybe it's finally safe to conclude that the cliff notes of the last two books was "jack poo poo happens then there is a big fight the end."
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In It For The Tank posted:Or how Brienne was given command of a flank despite no leadership experience or any experience fighting in a war. Thinking about this, given the series' aversion to dealing with politics or battles, how deep is their deck? Off the top of my head, the people with field command experience are:
Of course given that their plan is "sit in a prepared position and wait for the Night King to needlessly expose himself" it probably doesn't make too much difference who is in change.
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Apr 22, 2019 20:15
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Seeing Pod start to kick dudes asses in a training fight was a cool moment, the actor was totally doing a Bronn impression during that moment too lol
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So apparently Brienne killed Yohn Royce's son and heir presumptive, Robar, back in the Renly days? For all that the show loves personal drama it's strange that that's never come up.
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Dr. Video Games 0112 posted:Another hour of people sitting in a room and talking, <30 seconds of CG zombie thing at the very end. Guess it's budget or the maybe it's finally safe to conclude that the cliff notes of the last two books was "jack poo poo happens then there is a big fight the end." It was definitely that, which is why like 3 out of the last 4 hours of this show have been character interactions that amount to "whoa look, X is talking to Y", everyone has completed whatever bar napkin version of their character arcs GRRM wrote out besides like Jon, Dany and Cersei and the writers are just marveling at the idea that WHOA ARYA IS FINALLY THE BADASS ASSASSIN SHE'S ALWAYS WANTED TO BE AND SANSA IS TOTALLY A COURT SCHEMER NOW WHOAAA
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Kitiara posted:
It's funny you bring this up, I was frustrated, during the Jon/Dany scene, thinking of the other ways he could confirm it (the actual Targ that tutored him at the wall when he arrived there for example, though I dont even recall if he outed himself to Jon anymore, either way though the writers could have worked that in, the other being Ned definitely intending to tell Jon at some point even in the show.) Point being, Dany actually has some grounds to arguing that "my cripple brother Bran has mystic mind powers" being a pretty loving stupid reason, in the context of the way the story plays out he's useless for the thing he exists for. Was it a thing a few seasons or books back when GRRM's own characters start making fun of his bad writing with the lines he gave them or was that the show around season 5 when they gave them incredibly poor lines because they knew fans hated book 4? I mean the second he showed that he had Night King gps on his arm, realistically they should just wheel him out to the woods and leave him there. The only inherent value he has is being the only remaining male Stark at Winterfell which is for some reason completely ignored at this point (maybe tree magic autism syndrome is that rare exception case or they just believe him that he's no longer Bran Stark as he claims.) It's just all kind of a mess as to who believes what and where the lines are and any meaning behind it, if any, is being communicated very poorly by the exceptionally bad endgame writers. Dr. Video Games 0112 fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Apr 22, 2019 |
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In It For The Tank posted:The show definitely has identifiable templates when it comes to writing dialogue. Specific characters have common trends (like Tyrion and Varys just trade quips while fellating each others' intelligence and ruminating how different they are) but a shocking number of dialogue scenes boil down to something like this: This year In It For The Tank is a writer on the show.
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Apr 22, 2019 20:44
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kcroy posted:For that matter, why aren't the dragons ranging out and burning the poo poo out of WWs? They could have been harassing the WW's advance for loving weeks now. Because the NK already killed one of the three and Dany's worried he would kill the other two as well if they were just by themselves, without her and the army to back them up.
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Is that a knight can make knights from the books? Because holy lol that sounds ripe for abuse.
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Zenithe posted:Is that a knight can make knights from the books? Because holy lol that sounds ripe for abuse. Its from history. You don't go around knighting people at random because you'd be making commoners into nobility.
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Apr 22, 2019 21:04
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So if Sir Paul McCartney decides to knight his chauffeur, for example, he can?
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"Any knight can make a knight" was definitely in the books and it's how Dunk got his chance.
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I thought knighthood can only be bestowed by lords, kings and popes
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Zenithe posted:Is that a knight can make knights from the books? Because holy lol that sounds ripe for abuse. yes it's pretty consistent in the books, a character in fire and blood offers anyone that joined his army a knighthood and they became known as the "gutter knights"
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In It For The Tank posted:The show definitely has identifiable templates when it comes to writing dialogue. Specific characters have common trends (like Tyrion and Varys just trade quips while fellating each others' intelligence and ruminating how different they are) but a shocking number of dialogue scenes boil down to something like this: The template for this final season seems to be everyone announcing who they are by stating what they are famous for in the show like they are Pokemon calling out their own names or something. Jaime for example, repeatedly stated that he fucks his sister in casual conversation, Sam talked about killing a white walker and stealing from the citadel. I guess we really need to recap some of this stuff for 2 hours since it's all so deep and confusing for all the dumdums that watch HBO and cant read, missing all the deep lore of the Books That Was Promised.
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Dr. Video Games 0112 posted:The template for this final season seems to be everyone announcing who they are by stating what they are famous for in the show like they are Pokemon calling out their own names or something. Jaime for example, repeatedly stated that he fucks his sister in casual conversation, Sam talked about killing a white walker and stealing from the citadel. I guess we really need to recap some of this stuff for 2 hours since it's all so deep and confusing for all the dumdums that watch HBO and cant read, missing all the deep lore of the Books That Was Promised. its all just tits and dragons bro
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SHOAH NUFF posted:I thought knighthood can only be bestowed by lords, kings and popes "Lord" is very vague there. Even on that definition though, Jaime would have the authority as... wait what is he now in the show now, I lost track. Either being the commander of the kingsguard or the lord of casterly rock would suffice. Elias_Maluco posted:So if Sir Paul McCartney decides to knight his chauffeur, for example, he can? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_chivalry Those orders were originally supposed to be composed of knights. The current knighthoods aren't feudal knighthoods. hobbesmaster fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Apr 22, 2019 |
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Apr 22, 2019 21:12
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Legolas knighted an entire city in Kingdom of Heaven.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Yeah I didn't expect them to try and survive a siege or anything but the dude who schemed away half of Stannis army before he even hit the beach at KL is sitting right there and it doesn't even look like they asked him if he's got any ideas It's not like he could apply any lessons that he learned in the battle of Blackwater to a fight against an enemy that is explicitly susceptible to fire
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Yeah I didn't expect them to try and survive a siege or anything but the dude who schemed away half of Stannis army before he even hit the beach at KL is sitting right there and it doesn't even look like they asked him if he's got any ideas Dany to Tyrion: "I need you for your mind." *sends Tyrion to the crypts and lets Bran with no experience plan a battle*
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Guy A. Person posted:It's not like he could apply any lessons that he learned in the battle of Blackwater to a fight against an enemy that is explicitly susceptible to fire Tyrion: You guys got a stash of fantasy napalm laying around? No? Ah well I'll be in the crypt then glhf
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Guy A. Person posted:It's not like he could apply any lessons that he learned in the battle of Blackwater to a fight against an enemy that is explicitly susceptible to fire I thought the whole KL conference was going to end with Cersei giving them a bunch of wildfire but then again no one on the show would rightly trust her to no just blow them all up on the Kingsroad afterwards.
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IRL being a knight doesn't make you a lord. Paul McCartney and Anthony Hopkins are knights, but they're not lords. Also, they're symbolic. They don't have to do anything in regards to defending the crown or whatever. Actual for real knighthood still works that way where a squire can be made a knight by a knight, but the practice is basically dead outside of MI5 poo poo which is ludicrously complex. But, no, Anthony Hopkins can't knight anyone because his title is just symbolic and that power to give someone the symbolic title is exclusive to the crown. hobbesmaster posted:"Lord" is very vague there. Even on that definition though, Jaime would have the authority as... wait what is he now in the show now, I lost track. He presumably lost his title as Queensguard by leaving Cersei, and she could theoretically strip his title as A Lord of Casterly rock or THE Lord of Casterly Rock, whichever he is, which would have also made him Warden of the West. But he is a knight regardless, unless there's some unmentioned rule that Cersei could un-knight him, but he's a knight in service of Queen Danaerys so Cersei has no power over that one.
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Zenithe posted:Is that a knight can make knights from the books? Because holy lol that sounds ripe for abuse. it's established in the books, yes. it's also established as like...not really true in the Dunk & Egg stories, Dunk gets knighted by an elderly hedge knight he'd squired for. Nobody takes this seriously, though, since it's like..."yeah sure kid, you got knighted by some old fucker we've never heard of who was probably a bandit" so technically speaking any knight can make a knight, but it still takes some combination of connections/status/wealth to be recognized as such
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bloom posted:Tyrion: You guys got a stash of fantasy napalm laying around? No? Ah well I'll be in the crypt then glhf Truly the Vizzini who was promised A dizzying intellect when written by Davids
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lol just realized arya went to gendry when Pod the legendary sex man was right there
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