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Took another perusal through NovelUpdates and came across a silly Korean series. I’m Only a Stepmother, but My Daughter is Just so Cute! A Korean woman that worked as a designer for children's clothes dies and wakes up as
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Double post, but there's a new Sword Dad update. This was a nifty surprise for me, because this point didn't come up in the LN until way later. It fit there, but I like it here too.
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Apr 22, 2019 20:28
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Is there an isekai where the main character never actually played the game before
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Apr 23, 2019 02:21
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That sounds familiar, so probably. E: Ugh, besides Shield Hero
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Apr 23, 2019 02:44
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I remember at least two where somebody was pulled in on their first login. One involved getting an invite from a friend that put him in a scantily clad woman character, I can't remember the other though.
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Apr 23, 2019 02:48
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theres also Close Combat Mage a gym teacher who is irl a very good martial artist is given an alt account from one of his students, but its as a mage and the class cant be changed. Even with his weak wizard stats he still goes around punchin dudes. Its ok, but didnt grab me.
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Apr 23, 2019 03:00
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Only Sense Online is VRMMO and not Isekai, but it is an MC who hasn't played the game before.
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Apr 23, 2019 03:02
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Nihilarian posted:Is there an isekai where the main character never actually played the game before Are you asking for an isekai where the protagonist knows its a game but hasn't played it yet, or any non-game isekai? There are lots of non-game isekai. Cooking with Wild Game (light novel) (JNC) (manga) Dad Is a Hero, Mom Is a Spirit, I'm a Reincarnator (manga) I Swear I Won’t Bother You Again! (light novel) (manga) (technicality! maybe!) The Wrong Way to use Healing Magic (light novel) (manga) Paladin of the End (light novel) (JNC) (manga) Combatants Will Be Dispatched! (light novel) (manga) There's also isekai with game mechanics, but aren't based on a game. The Saint’s Magic Power is Omnipotent (light novel) (manga) The Man Picked up by the Gods (light novel) (manga) KonoSuba (of course) I do know a couple others, but they aren't really that good. This list is also kind of varied in quality, but I tried picking things that didn't absolutely suck or have any objectionable contents. However, I really don't know of any that are based on a game that the protagonist hasn't played yet, aside from VRMMO type stories.
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Apr 23, 2019 06:57
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if it's a specific game, then the mc having no prior knowledge of that game is insufficiently wanky. at that point, why not just do a standard fantasy world with inexplicable rpg elements?
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Apr 23, 2019 11:19
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They should be better off without the jrpg stuff... but then some of these stories are really barebones, like this recent grandpa isekai https://mangadex.org/title/30790/jiisama-ga-iku
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Apr 23, 2019 18:11
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:if it's a specific game, then the mc having no prior knowledge of that game is insufficiently wanky. at that point, why not just do a standard fantasy world with inexplicable rpg elements? well it's more like if someone gets magically transported to a "game world" that they have no knowledge of it's already completely indistinguishable from a standard fantasy world right?
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Apr 23, 2019 19:13
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Isekai'd into Metal Gear Solid
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Apr 23, 2019 19:19
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sunken fleet posted:well it's more like if someone gets magically transported to a "game world" that they have no knowledge of it's already completely indistinguishable from a standard fantasy world right? The Hero is Overpowered but Overly Cautious https://mangadex.org/title/31942/kono-yuusha-ga-ore-tueee-kuse-ni-shinchou-sugiru
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Apr 23, 2019 19:50
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I was specifically thinking of all the isekai where they use their knowledge of the game to change things to their benefit and wondered about one where they didn't actually know much and every half-remembered game thing they tried to exploit ended up backfiring
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Apr 23, 2019 20:16
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There's also Grimgar of Fantasy and Ash, where the world has RPG mechanics like classes and levels, although not abstracted as much as isekai where there's still a game interface. The characters have little to no memory of their lives before they arrived, so they couldn't munchkin even if the world were based on a game.
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Apr 23, 2019 20:54
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there are actually a lot of video game isekai stories where the mc is sent into the past of the game. so they not only have exhaustive knowledge of game mechanics (because of course they do), but they also have exhaustive knowledge of game chronology and lore (because of course they do). i don't really need to explain the many, many reasons why a mmo suddenly being a real world is dumb as hell. however, there's one incredibly mind-boggling wn where the mc is sent to the past of a mmo, except it's still a mmo while also confusingly being a real world. eventually the players show up, to play a game in this real world with mmo mechanics which still has patches and raids and such. the inhabitants of this game are very weirded out by these strange immortal assholes, because it is also a real world and they are sentient beings. naturally, this incredibly strange central concept is not examined at all because that would get in the way of the mc being a smug loot katamari. of course, every example of this genre is complete trash.
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Apr 23, 2019 21:18
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Nihilarian posted:I was specifically thinking of all the isekai where they use their knowledge of the game to change things to their benefit and wondered about one where they didn't actually know much and every half-remembered game thing they tried to exploit ended up backfiring A lot of the "otome game" genre is like this, in that the main characters usually don't have picture perfect recollections of the entire game or they end up treating things too much like a "game" or set on a "route" and so their plans often go sideways as a result. Bakarina, Tensei Ojou, and a few others in that vein leap to mind. But for the other brand of video game world novels; where the MC is some god level poopsocker who knows every game system inside and out and the whole thing is just a monument to his incredible ability to grind harderer and betterer than everyone else so that they can rack up levels and money and a harem of followers to save the world or whatever - I can't think of any offhand where they somehow manage to fail at doing all that because of their inexperience with the "game mechanics".
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Apr 23, 2019 21:27
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How the gently caress do so many of these teens know the production method of soy sauce?
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Apr 24, 2019 00:30
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arisu posted:How the gently caress do so many of these teens know the production method of soy sauce? You mean you don't?
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Apr 24, 2019 00:37
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arisu posted:How the gently caress do so many of these teens know the production method of soy sauce? With how much else is going on, the idea that people may've watched a How It's Made episode on Soy Sauce just whooshes right over my head.
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Apr 24, 2019 00:40
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Nihilarian posted:I was specifically thinking of all the isekai where they use their knowledge of the game to change things to their benefit and wondered about one where they didn't actually know much and every half-remembered game thing they tried to exploit ended up backfiring Isn't this kinda Sekai Game? Less so that the guy doesn't know much, and more so that the game's just so loving broken and janky that some of it doesn't work how it should.
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Apr 24, 2019 02:17
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Sekai Game is a broken rear end game, but the MC knows all the exploits, and the exploits do exactly what he expects them to do.
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Apr 24, 2019 04:01
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Train Girl didn't quite work how he expected.  I feel like that's more on account of the game being real than the exploit being iffy, though.
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Apr 24, 2019 04:57
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arisu posted:How the gently caress do so many of these teens know the production method of soy sauce? I have this same complaint about every single instance where a protag effortlessly and instantly translates a technology over into another world, with exceptions made for Jin and his specialist knowledge since hes aware of the limits of what he can reproduce. And even w him it gets super iffy w the penicillin. I've played this "what knowledge could I successfully take w me to the past" game occassionally ever since I first read a Connecticut yankee in king authur's court. The answer is always "not as much as you'd think" Think about it for a second. Without looking it up, do you remember the exact 4 kinds of crops needed to institute crop rotation? And that's an easy one. How about the ratio of sulfur to nitre needed to make gunpowder? Penicillin, mentioned earlier, is even more problematic than most things in this regard. Do you know the kind of mold it grows in? Do you know how to grow and extract it in usable quantities? This second part took decades for the world brightest medical minds to figure out even after its discovery. Even something as simple as a water pump would take me time, materials, effort, and experimentation to get right. I understand the basic principles but actually making one from scratch involves a level of engineering I'm just not familiar with. The way I see it, the most realistic sort of knowledge you could take with you, assuming you arent an artisan specialist in some trade, would be the broad strokes kind of stuff. Germ theory. Principles of sanitation. Basics of chemistry. (BTW, god-apothecary guy seemingly remembers the atomic weight of every element, the chemical formula of every medicine. w@w. Remind me not to go to his pharmacology school.) Then you have to consider that you'd have to get people to listen to you, a dude who just showed up out of nowhere spouting bs with zero credibility. Youre going to need physical goods, time, security, and mindshare to get anything translated into a usable form. Good luck with all that. Basically this little thought experiment never goes nearly as good for me as it does for the mc's of all these isekai's, when I try it.
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Apr 24, 2019 06:23
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Nathilus posted:I have this same complaint about every single instance where a protag effortlessly and instantly translates a technology over into another world, with exceptions made for Jin and his specialist knowledge since hes aware of the limits of what he can reproduce. And even w him it gets super iffy w the penicillin. This is why I really love Risou no Himo Seikatsu, the dude there's just like "Uh, I don't know much, so lets go for renewable power. My poo poo's gonna break, so let's just use it to get to grips with the country. I know vaguely how glass is made, but uh, heck, it's more complicated than I thought and the documentary I brought that explains it is actually just a twenty minute variety show episode! The few things he does bring over, are usually a byproduct of common knowledge (numbers), the few bits of technology he brought with him (turns out using a laptop with Excel to calculate tax is better than medieval methods) or some neat mathematical trivia that you probably know in the corner of your mind (coprimes). And he brought beads and marbles to sell if he became stranded, because history.
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Apr 24, 2019 06:49
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Just do an Everworld and get Isekai'd with a highschool chemistry textbook.
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Apr 24, 2019 06:55
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:however, there's one incredibly mind-boggling wn where the mc is sent to the past of a mmo, except it's still a mmo while also confusingly being a real world. eventually the players show up, to play a game in this real world with mmo mechanics which still has patches and raids and such. the inhabitants of this game are very weirded out by these strange immortal assholes, because it is also a real world and they are sentient beings. naturally, this incredibly strange central concept is not examined at all because that would get in the way of the mc being a smug loot katamari. That's kinda half the plot of PSO2 Ep 4/The Animation, also. People on Earth start connecting to the PSO2 world across dimensions via an MMO client and the people on the ARKS ship are like "Yeah these weirdos who act really strange and have no registration just keep showing up" while the Earth people are astounded by how good the NPC AI is and stuff also ep 4 sucked kirbysuperstar fucked around with this message at 07:04 on Apr 24, 2019 |
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Apr 24, 2019 07:01
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Doesn't Duke's Daughter sort of do that, where she doesn't really know much tech but suggests a few things to people and they go from there, or like they find cacao beans on a trip and she tells the chefs to gently caress around with the beans, or because she was an accountant in our world she improved the banking system in their world, introduced citizen schooling, etc
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Apr 24, 2019 08:10
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Captain Invictus posted:Doesn't Duke's Daughter sort of do that, where she doesn't really know much tech but suggests a few things to people and they go from there, or like they find cacao beans on a trip and she tells the chefs to gently caress around with the beans, or because she was an accountant in our world she improved the banking system in their world, introduced citizen schooling, etc The great innovation that changed the face of the world. Double-entry bookkeeping.
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Apr 24, 2019 08:28
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at least since she's a "duke's daughter" it's slightly realistic. Like, yeah, if you're born into the ultra-privileged 1% of any era you can probably push through some tax reforms and build some roads or whatever no matter what your own level of personal skill is like.
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Apr 24, 2019 12:57
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LibrarianCroaker posted:Just do an Everworld and get Isekai'd with a highschool chemistry textbook. I barely remember this but doesn’t it go hilariously wrong because the MCs trade the book to some blacksmiths by showing them the steel alloy chapters and much later the blacksmiths show up with cannons and the MCs are like “ohh gently caress gunpowder was in there also huh”
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Apr 24, 2019 13:22
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Female protags tend to do this better than the male protags as far as I've read.
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Apr 24, 2019 13:22
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There's a series that gets around it by doubling the people reborn in the same body. One is a Wikipedia nerd and the other a warring states general. I don't know the name because gently caress trying to remember the giant strings of words most isekei have for titles.
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Apr 24, 2019 13:32
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well, there's this thing. the premise is hilarious, but the actual story is just gun otaku wankery with no particular wit or charm.
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Apr 24, 2019 13:38
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I think "A wild last boss appeared" has some comments on how when the world was an MMO there were a large number of people who got incredibly powerful, and people in the current generation who emulate them end up dead. The MC reasons that being able to respawn will do that.
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Apr 24, 2019 13:48
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Fellis posted:I barely remember this but doesn’t it go hilariously wrong because the MCs trade the book to some blacksmiths by showing them the steel alloy chapters and much later the blacksmiths show up with cannons and the MCs are like “ohh gently caress gunpowder was in there also huh” Something like that, yeah. Everworld was cool.
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Apr 24, 2019 16:00
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:This is why I really love Risou no Himo Seikatsu, the dude there's just like "Uh, I don't know much, so lets go for renewable power. My poo poo's gonna break, so let's just use it to get to grips with the country. I know vaguely how glass is made, but uh, heck, it's more complicated than I thought and the documentary I brought that explains it is actually just a twenty minute variety show episode! Yeah, one of the many reasons this particular story is good. Dude coulda minmaxed for less stupid entertainment poo poo and more textbooks however. An AC unit was a pro pick though~ I also agree that duke's daughter is good on this front.
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Apr 24, 2019 18:59
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:well, there's this thing. the premise is hilarious, but the actual story is just gun otaku wankery with no particular wit or charm. I've read this one raw, and while it has some funny parts, it's kind of overshadowed by the MC tampering with her own brain to remove her conscience so she won't feel guilty about massacring tens of thousands of people. At least it has the courtesy to show a sneak peek of that part at the beginning so you know what you're getting into.
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Apr 24, 2019 20:06
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No one is talking about Isekai Quartet. Its 
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I'm liking it but they have to split so little time between so many characters, all while reintroducing the entire cast because you can't be sure if the audience has seen all 4 shows, that not much is happening per episode.
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