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https://www.wired.com/2016/08/wired-book-club-patrick-rothfuss-interview/Patrick Rothfuss posted:Do these characters constantly occupy your thoughts and tell you things? This quote will always be the most offensive thing regarding Rothfuss. If your characters are controllable, then why the gently caress would I waste my time on them?
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May 21, 2019 05:13
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That introduction was supposed to be for someone else and their work but he made it so much about himself.
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May 21, 2019 05:42
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Come And See posted:My friend gave me the book as a gift. I read the introduction aloud to him and told him both he and Rothfuss could go gently caress themselves. Hope there is more to this story, cuz otherwise it serves only to make you look like an rear end.
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May 21, 2019 05:45
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Come And See posted:https://www.wired.com/2016/08/wired-book-club-patrick-rothfuss-interview/ Everything characters do is finally controlled to serve the narrative or arises naturally as a consequence of a character's actions within their environment. Like, you realize the author (or editor) is choosing everything, right? Ideas don't actually spring forth from the froth of chaos, fully formed and waiting for the telling. I don't understand what your critique is.
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May 21, 2019 06:14
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I want to critique his apparently lovely parenting. I mean, they should have taken his kid immediately upon him naming it Ott or whatever.
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May 21, 2019 06:27
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yoohoo i'm pretty rattus thanks for watching my autobiographical feature film, bearding the virgin
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May 21, 2019 06:48
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Benson Cunningham posted:Everything characters do is finally controlled to serve the narrative or arises naturally as a consequence of a character's actions within their environment. Nah there's definitely a twee phenomenon especially in nerd writing circles about how ~my characters talk to me and we have conversations~ and teehee I just can't do the plot I want because my characters are so vivid and real and they don't want to do the story I made up and it's tremendously grating. Probably the first time I've ever agreed with something Rothfuss has said about the writing process tbh
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May 21, 2019 07:20
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TheIncredulousHulk posted:Nah there's definitely a twee phenomenon especially in nerd writing circles about how ~my characters talk to me and we have conversations~ and teehee I just can't do the plot I want because my characters are so vivid and real and they don't want to do the story I made up and it's tremendously grating. Probably the first time I've ever agreed with something Rothfuss has said about the writing process tbh Come And See posted:If your characters are controllable, then why the gently caress would I waste my time on them?
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May 21, 2019 08:27
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my characters talk to me and we have conversations
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May 21, 2019 08:41
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Yeah I didn't want to ruin this for any 13 year olds but characters in books aren't real and after the first book they really only do things so authors can collect paychecks. Sometimes even in the first book too.
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May 21, 2019 13:05
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I do think there's something to the idea that as you develop the characters and the narrative, the original plot you planned won't necessarily work. You're going to workshop scenes and do rewrites and have moments of inspiration that contradict your notes or other segments and if they're good enough you're going to spend time trying to work them in, and that might mean substantial rewrites. Of course, he doesn't do any writing, so he wouldn't understand any of that.
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May 21, 2019 14:28
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Love the "aw golly gee-whiz oh shucks I'm doing this wrong let me start over!" little break there that's definitely a cliche by now.
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May 21, 2019 15:20
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TheIncredulousHulk posted:Nah there's definitely a twee phenomenon especially in nerd writing circles about how ~my characters talk to me and we have conversations~ and teehee I just can't do the plot I want because my characters are so vivid and real and they don't want to do the story I made up and it's tremendously grating. Probably the first time I've ever agreed with something Rothfuss has said about the writing process tbh Characters do ran away with the story, tho. To be fair, this is mostly a theater/scriptwriting thing where there's more distance between the character and the author, but the whole "get in the shoes of your characters and dare to go where they want to go, not you" is a thing I was taught in a university class by a legit playwright
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May 21, 2019 19:06
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Sometimes you realize, after developing a character over many chapters, that they would never make the choices that your outline requires. That's pretty normal unless you're a robot or Brandon Sanderson. It just means you have to stop and rework the outline to find a way for it to be consistent with the character growth you couldnt forsee. Good writers do a little bit of improv while writing to keep things fresh, so everything doesnt seem like its coming off a teleprompter. There's nothing weird or special about this concept.
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May 21, 2019 19:14
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Sham bam bamina! posted:Yeah, but the post you quoted was answering this: Ooops. Would you believe I'm dumb and careless about the post I was quoting But yeah we're just disappearing down the planner/pantser false dichotomy rabbit hole at this point. Deviating from your outline because you thought of a better idea is normal and you as the author are still in absolute control of the events of the story so romanticizing it is annoying and good on Rothfuss for throwing water on that even if he did it in a very Rothfussian way
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May 21, 2019 20:51
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BananaNutkins posted:Sometimes you realize, after developing a character over many chapters, that they would never make the choices that your outline requires. That's pretty normal unless you're a robot or Brandon Sanderson Thank you. Sanderson is entertaining, but all of his characters act like.... Mormons
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May 21, 2019 20:57
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Sanderson characters are learning basic morality as Sanderson himself learns it and it's loving insufferable. Terry Goodkind did this too, famously. "I like peas. Oh you don't like peas? Well that's why it's okay that you're a lesbian!" That's almost verbatim an actual conversation in I think Blood of the Fold.
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May 21, 2019 21:11
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Benson Cunningham posted:Sanderson characters are learning basic morality as Sanderson himself learns it and it's loving insufferable. You can criticize Sanderson for his character writing, but comparing Sanderson's characters learning basic morality to Goodkind characters learning basic morality is pretty strange. What basic morals do Goodkind characters even learn? Capitalism is good, socialism/gun control/pacifism is bad?
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May 21, 2019 21:51
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Pacho posted:Characters do ran away with the story, tho. To be fair, this is mostly a theater/scriptwriting thing where there's more distance between the character and the author, but the whole "get in the shoes of your characters and dare to go where they want to go, not you" is a thing I was taught in a university class by a legit playwright BananaNutkins posted:Sometimes you realize, after developing a character over many chapters, that they would never make the choices that your outline requires. That's pretty normal unless you're a robot or Brandon Sanderson. It just means you have to stop and rework the outline to find a way for it to be consistent with the character growth you couldnt forsee. Good writers do a little bit of improv while writing to keep things fresh, so everything doesnt seem like its coming off a teleprompter. There's nothing weird or special about this concept. This is more the attitude I came in with. If twee bad writers need to reel that poo poo in well then there you go. But I'd think good writing requires an element of discovery even for the author. PJOmega posted:Hope there is more to this story, cuz otherwise it serves only to make you look like an rear end. He laughed and said 'gently caress you too'. 
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May 22, 2019 02:07
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my characters have sex with me, and i with them
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May 22, 2019 02:21
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Karnegal posted:I want to critique his apparently lovely parenting. I mean, they should have taken his kid immediately upon him naming it Ott or whatever. While I loathe Rothfuss as much as anyone, Oot is what he calls his kid in social media as to not share the kids real name. I am actually on board with not sharing personal details of my children without their consent.
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May 22, 2019 04:32
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funkymonks posted:While I loathe Rothfuss as much as anyone, Oot is what he calls his kid in social media as to not share the kids real name. I am actually on board with not sharing personal details of my children without their consent. This is a fine and even good idea, but like all fine and even good ideas, Rothfuss goes about it in the most bugfuck retarded way imaginable.
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May 22, 2019 04:59
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Torrannor posted:You can criticize Sanderson for his character writing, but comparing Sanderson's characters learning basic morality to Goodkind characters learning basic morality is pretty strange. What basic morals do Goodkind characters even learn? Capitalism is good, socialism/gun control/pacifism is bad? It's literally in my post.
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May 22, 2019 06:49
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Doctor Faustine posted:This is a fine and even good idea, but like all fine and even good ideas, Rothfuss goes about it in the most bugfuck retarded way imaginable. Why not just... not talk about your kid?
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May 22, 2019 14:19
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ElGroucho posted:Why not just... not talk about your kid? He has physical proof that he's not a virgin and you want him not to talk about it?!
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May 23, 2019 02:06
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Yeah, I was hanging out with Blarfenfart, and he asked me if he could go to a halloween party as Kvothe, this 100% happened without my interference at all
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May 23, 2019 02:42
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BananaNutkins posted:Sometimes you realize, after developing a character over many chapters, that they would never make the choices that your outline requires. That's pretty normal unless you're a robot or Brandon Sanderson. It just means you have to stop and rework the outline to find a way for it to be consistent with the character growth you couldnt forsee. Good writers do a little bit of improv while writing to keep things fresh, so everything doesnt seem like its coming off a teleprompter. There's nothing weird or special about this concept. Sanderson is a robot but he’s trashed characters and writing because it ultimately didn’t work. Like you can download an unfinished book he dropped where the main character was basically The One and was too much of a godmode absurdity because he could instantly learn to do anything after seeing it once.
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May 23, 2019 05:07
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nankeen posted:my characters have sex with me, and i with them My tulpa writes all my books for me.
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May 23, 2019 06:44
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ElGroucho posted:Why not just... not talk about your kid? When you have kids they occupy a massive chunk of your life and sometimes do hilarious and stupid things. Lots of adults don't necessarily have other things to talk about.
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May 23, 2019 07:01
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Atlas Hugged posted:When you have kids they occupy a massive chunk of your life and sometimes do hilarious and stupid things. Lots of adults don't necessarily have other things to talk about. Yeah, I can't hate on the guy for talking about his kids. His beard, on the other hand, I can hate that until the heat death of the universe or GRRM releases the last two books of ASoIaF.
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May 24, 2019 01:34
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sanderson will finish them all, in time
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May 24, 2019 05:21
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Of course Rothfuss would be the type that'd turn up his nose at 4th Edition.
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May 24, 2019 06:21
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nankeen posted:sanderson will finish them all, in time Kvoth embraces Mormonism, improves as a character.
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Buaca 5 points · 1 day ago I literally finished it 5 hours ago. I was only like 50 pages in and I already knew it was going to be my favourite book, eventhough I'm really well-read, including Nobel winners. I totally agree. (There are technically dragons) Everything in the book is completely important. Forget skipping a chapter because it is too boring, cause you will miss it (maybe you won't because you don't know what you are missing). Great character(s). In the begging, maybe too great. He was just so awesome that I had trouble continuing reading out of envy. Overall recommend even of you are not that into fantasy. So many different feelings in there... Every little detail specified. Noone believes when I say that about 90% of the book is direct speech. The magic can be a little harder to understand, but an Eragon fan will get the naming even before they introduce it. The Fae world is still a bit messy, but I expect it to be explained in the following books.
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Jun 24, 2019 18:40
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Imagine being this much of a loser
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Jun 24, 2019 20:17
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A well read loser. He's read Nobels.
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Jun 25, 2019 05:10
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nobel wieners
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Jun 25, 2019 07:00
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i miss botl
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Jun 25, 2019 07:21
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Sham bam bamina! posted:Everything in the book is completely important. Forget skipping a chapter because it is too boring, cause you will miss it (maybe you won't because you don't know what you are missing). does anyone reading books ever do this, ever, as an aside what the gently caress
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Patware posted:does anyone reading books ever do this, ever, as an aside War and peace started interleaving chapters between the fiction and tolstoy's dissertation of Napolean invading russia, I started skipping the historical chapters That's the only time I can remember doing that. I skip intros for books pretty often
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