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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:this is interesting to me and i don't really understand how this is happening, like the ideological-control message is getting thrown somehow. death of stalin for instance was this over-the-top murder fest but then there'd be scenes where crowds of people would be streaming into the city with red flags and bumrushing the NKVD troops sent out to control access. "we're here to see comrade stalin!" it undermines the idea that this was just some dictatorship that ruled by repression alone Death of stalin at least was aware of the contrast i think, I havent watched Chernobyl but I kind of get the impression they don't even notice what they're saying
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the prequel to Chernobyl where it's about that one Soviet soldier that shows the other that you can hard-boil an egg if you get near a radar dish
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Mr. Lobe posted:Thanks! okay i found my syllabus so here's some good communist movies. the other stuff we watched was on nazism and germany in general, so its not a long list but some of it is online 1. Mother Krause's Journey Into Happiness - this is a legitimately good film with a powerful narrative and has some of the rawest social commentary I've ever seen in a prewar film. the purpose of the film is to illustrate the way the various inequalities and little cruelties of capitalism kill people via a thousand cuts, and the people who are victimized this way are typically the people who deserve it least. it owns and i strongly suggest people watch it with an eye specifically looking for parts where they're explicitly translating didactic Marxist theorizing into good cinema. my professor, who went on to be my thesis adviser in grad school and one of the people i respect most, used it to teach "the first proletarian films" its on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mkRU2bJE8E 2. Kuhle Wampe (Who Rules the World?) - I don't remember this one as well, but it is also a well-manifested narrative with compelling cinematography that focuses on the privations and struggles of urban Germans during the great depression. it's super raw and iirc it has some really unique, interesting shots of socialist/communist tenements. both this and Mother Krause's Journey Into Happiness have a cast of characters that includes a number of idealized proletarian Germans, who are always young, noble, working-class men and women who work against their negative instincts to protect their community. it's obvious propaganda but I honestly think the message about the social characteristics of class consciousness is still as important today. also Bertolt Brecht helped write it, I think. it is also on youtube but in low rear end quality: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98Sd00jq6FI 3. Unser Taglich Brot (Our Daily Bread) - this one was my favorite, so ofc it's impossible to find. if anyone in this thread can get their hands on a copy of this please let me know because I really, really want to watch it again. it specifically propagandizes East German efforts under Soviet occupation to rebuild labor unions, and is just like the other two in terms of cinematic/narrative value on top of propaganda value. the characters are much more realistic than in the earlier films, and it's got all the elements of a modern character drama and the IMDB quote does a good job describing it: "A story about a family after the Second World War. The petty bourgeois cashier Karl Weber of Berlin observes from a distance how his son Ernst participates in the building of a new socialist society. Karl does not understand Ernst's visions, instead he confides in his other son Harry. However, Harry becomes involved in illicit business and Karl quickly realizes that it would be best to join his son Ernst in the citizen-owned factory." lmfao, ironically, you can pay :alarm: $150 :alarm: to stream it for one year, goddamn: https://ecommerce.umass.edu/defa/store/5083 that class was the best class I ever took and my greatest regret is that I will never be able to pursue a PHD, learn German, and study Weimar/postwar Communist history and theory more deeply than I did during my master's thesis. Frog Act fucked around with this message at 23:44 on Jun 19, 2019 |
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you never know when you might need uncle ho!
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Nothing but love for uncle Ho but I'm always gonna be a little creeped out by the whole eternal mummification thing
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Pizza Segregationist posted:Nothing but love for uncle Ho but I'm always gonna be a little creeped out by the whole eternal mummification thing it makes sense 
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Pizza Segregationist posted:Nothing but love for uncle Ho but I'm always gonna be a little creeped out by the whole eternal mummification thing what part of immortal science of Marxism-Leninism don't you understand?
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Pizza Segregationist posted:Nothing but love for uncle Ho but I'm always gonna be a little creeped out by the whole eternal mummification thing Can't speak about Ho in this regard but I'm reasonably sure Lenin would have hated knowing his body became an object of reverence in the fashion of a saint's relics.
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Frog Act posted:there was a period both before and after WW2 where the Soviets channeled money into Weimar/West German film to produce Communist propaganda films that had actual narratives. I watched a bunch in a film class I took with an old leftist and they’re exactly the type of films I wish were still being made. they had an explicit, left-wing message while simultaneously being well-made and written films I like the Eastern bloc red westerns a lot
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Mr. Lobe posted:Can't speak about Ho in this regard but I'm reasonably sure Lenin would have hated knowing his body became an object of reverence in the fashion of a saint's relics. good
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Mr. Lobe posted:Can't speak about Ho in this regard but I'm reasonably sure Lenin would have hated knowing his body became an object of reverence in the fashion of a saint's relics. the needs of the many far outweighs the needs of the few, or the one
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Hey it's one of those things where you have to imagine it's at least make em go "huh, that's kinda neat" even if they don't approve of it. Like having a dildo named after you.
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Impermanent posted:Hey it's one of those things where you have to imagine it's at least make em go "huh, that's kinda neat" even if they don't approve of it. Like having a dildo named after you. good point, bad dragon.
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Pizza Segregationist posted:Nothing but love for uncle Ho but I'm always gonna be a little creeped out by the whole eternal mummification thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFbeDw-Wwmg&t=19s
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recently, someone had asked abiut books that described/explAined soviet planning. i had mentioned a book by michEl ellman that was too advancec for me. however, because of that poster's question, i ordered michael ellman's book 'socialist planning,' which he described as being an academic, yet entry-level introduction to the subject. today, the copy that i ordered arrived. i have nothing substantial to say about it because i havent read it yet. but i'm posting this so that 1) i read it; 2) i post something about it after reading it; 3) other posters bully me if i post itt without having said something about said book. expect updates, on the book!! edit: the copy i got is the third edition, the newest one, which guarantees rhat it's good
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Frog Act posted:okay i found my syllabus so here's some good communist movies. the other stuff we watched was on nazism and germany in general, so its not a long list but some of it is online my recommendation is to watch Юность Максима (1934) Unfortunately, there are no english subtitles. Basically its about a russian factory worker in 1910. He becomes radicalized and joins the communists
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Mr. Lobe posted:Can't speak about Ho in this regard but I'm reasonably sure Lenin would have hated knowing his body became an object of reverence in the fashion of a saint's relics. 
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Top City Homo posted:my recommendation is to watch i really, really wish I spoke Russian and German. my mentor / thesis adviser / personal hero was an old fashioned history professor with fluent German who felt anyone in the profession should be at least bilingual and he joked on me relentlessly for never learning another language there’s just so much fantastic stuff about the early communist movement and it’s propaganda out there that I think the modern left could learn from but no way for me to access it  in all seriousness though, the Bolsheviks and later the Eastern Bloc in general, up until the 1970s, may have been broadly less artistically productive than western commercial studios but they created a ton of social value by making compelling stories that actively evangelize communist values. we desperately need something like that in the modern west, an accessible pop-cultural cinematic institution of some kind that produces effective left wing propaganda. i like to imagine a world where socially conscious productions like that enjoy the same cultural capital as unqualified reactionary fantasies like Game of Thrones
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Frog Act posted:i really, really wish I spoke Russian and German. my mentor / thesis adviser / personal hero was an old fashioned history professor with fluent German who felt anyone in the profession should be at least bilingual and he joked on me relentlessly for never learning another language Eh, I learned Russian, it takes at least some effort but I am glad I did. I am mean you can just start with the basics, but certainly helps if you know a native speaker. Also, the entire Mosfilm archive is on youtube. Ardennes fucked around with this message at 17:45 on Jun 21, 2019 |
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i say swears online posted:better call saul is communist propaganda tell me more
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better call Saul isn’t communist propaganda and I don’t know why anyone would say that, afaik it only propagandizes lazy narratives split between unequally compelling characters in a way that fucks the whole pacing of the show up
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Impermanent posted:a show doesn't have to be good to be propaganda. yeah but honestly BCS seems about as generically transmitting and reinscribing parts of capitalist discourse as much as any other character drama, I can’t quite see how anyone could get a left wing message from it. I guess the rich lawyers are jerks or something
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Means TV is the new left wing propaganda outlet
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Frog Act posted:yeah but honestly BCS seems about as generically transmitting and reinscribing parts of capitalist discourse as much as any other character drama, I can’t quite see how anyone could get a left wing message from it. I guess the rich lawyers are jerks or something idk, I think it's easy to see a leftist message in some crime dramas, whether its intentional or not- Jimmy McGill is somebody with impressive rhetorical abilities that could be useful to society, if hierarchical capitalist society were less rigid and enforcing of values that don't ring true to a kid from Cicero but it also does the 'admire this person for hustling his rear end off, sleeping in an office, etc' thing like you could read a similar message in Barry- maybe people wouldn't do murders for money if there were other ways for people in the margins to have a comfortable life I think both of those reads require you to already have a leftist viewpoint, tho
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Peanut Butler posted:idk, I think it's easy to see a leftist message in some crime dramas, whether its intentional or not- Jimmy McGill is somebody with impressive rhetorical abilities that could be useful to society, if hierarchical capitalist society were less rigid and enforcing of values that don't ring true to a kid from Cicero you’re absolutely right but I’d say this is basically true for any drama because most problems characters deal with, and we empathize with, are a result of capital basically everything with a narrative structure takes on those characteristics after you begin to perceive them in general
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what if the real communist propaganda was the friends we made along the way
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Impermanent posted:turns out everything is communist propaganda, if you apply the right lens real life is communist propaganda
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Peanut President posted:real life is communist propaganda But I thought it had a liberal bias 
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weast posted:what if the real communist propaganda was the friends we made along the way this is revisionism and every friend I have ever made is a revisionist
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studio that remakes popular media as communist propaganda
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Victory Position posted:this is revisionism and every friend I have ever made is a revisionist claiming that you've had friends is revisionist
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