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CharlestheHammer posted:I mean your point seems to be everyone’s toxic so he’s fine? i wouldn't say "fine" i guess i just feel like his struggle is a really easy one to understand compared to other 'minor/side' characters, at least to me. he's definitely caught up in the current in the same way basically everyone who isn't Gendo or SEELE is. Covok posted:I find this both wholesome and strangely intriguing that she hated everything except the weird poo poo. she's in a Psychology graduate degree program and loves Freud
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Fuyutsuki's entire character is that line in EoE when somebody asks him if they did the right thing and he's just like, " How the hell should I know?"
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Million Ghosts posted:she's in a Psychology graduate degree program and loves Freud but at the same time how do you study psychology and not want to punch freud in the face, just baffling
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Fuyutsuki's responsibility in the backstory is a mystery because he's clearly the weaker personality compared to Yui and Gendo, even though he's been implicated in their plans to some degree since they were just students.
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Million Ghosts posted:she's in a Psychology graduate degree program and loves Freud But this series is explicitly Jungian with Freud thrown in for weirdness 
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Million Ghosts posted:
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shame on an IGA posted:Fuyutsuki's entire character is that line in EoE when somebody asks him if they did the right thing and he's just like, " I think that was the long haired bridge bunny guy.
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there's a relatively large 'return to Freud' movement right now in academia
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The REAL Goobusters posted:I think the biggest realization for me on this rewatch is how much of a monster Misato (and Ritsuko for that matter) is. She cares about Shinji when it’s convenient for her, towards the end she tries to cheer him up by making a sexual advance, but throughout the whole series she’s been very cold and ordering him to get into the Eva again and again. Culminating with EoE where she convinces him one final time, without thinking about all of the hosed up poo poo he’s gone through. Shinji almost kills toji and then is ordered to kill Kaworu which just sends him on an awful mental breakdown. After his conversation with Misato, right after he kills Kaworu, Misato doesn’t even try to comfort him and this scares Shinji. Rei 3 is basically a whole new person and that scares Shinji too so the only person he can turn to that he knows is Asuka. Misato is heinous. Shinji has enough self awareness to realise that isolating himself from others is causing him anguish even though it spares him pain. From the very first episode Misato conflates Shinji's fear of relationships with his fear of piloting a crazy death robot, and makes him feel guilty about his totally healthy and reasonable instincts screaming at him to get the gently caress out this hosed up abusive situation.
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Freud is also still fairly popular among the lefty social theorist crowd. He was very influential on the Frankfurt School. Source: Sadly I have attended grad school.
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bare bottom pancakes posted:But this series is explicitly Jungian with Freud thrown in for weirdness  I figure you have to engage with Freud to some extent just since he's foundational.
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Freud is very popular in the English/Literature field, and a lot of his writing (like "Beyond the Pleasure Principle") contains some interesting ideas, at least.
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There's overlap with New Criticism stuff that made its way into high schools (everything is a Symbol).
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Freud is a weird person to be attached to in the 21st century, it's like getting really into BDSM circa 1939: the interest is worth a study on its own.
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If this series doesn't get mileage out of Misato as Shinji's mother/lover Oedipal locus, then I don't know what does.
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Episode 14 thoughts This episode sucks. Easily the worst episode of EVA. The first half is a clip show. The second half involves Unit 00 going berserk during a test with Shenji inside. I feel like this whole episode could have been replaced by adding a bit of dialogue to other episodes. Asuka explicitly tells Shinji to “crawl back inside the womb”, which feels a bit on the nose. Also, Rei’s monologue is kind of interesting.
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Beefstew posted:Freud is very popular in the English/Literature field, and a lot of his writing (like "Beyond the Pleasure Principle") contains some interesting ideas, at least. Freud is very interesting even if you think he’s full of poo poo. The text you mention specifically should be on literally everyone’s must read list.
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:Misato is heinous. Shinji has enough self awareness to realise that isolating himself from others is causing him anguish even though it spares him pain. From the very first episode Misato conflates Shinji's fear of relationships with his fear of piloting a crazy death robot, and makes him feel guilty about his totally healthy and reasonable instincts screaming at him to get the gently caress out this hosed up abusive situation. Everyone being hard on Misato is kind of leaving out the part where if she doesn't manipulate him into getting into the robot he and everyone else dies as humanity is wiped out. Maybe there was a more competent approach someone who wasn't also personally broken could have taken to managing Shinji's trauma, but keeping him out of the robot wasn't really an option. I guess in End of Eva humanity wasn't going to be fully wiped out, but he and everyone he knew still would have been even aside from what Seele's version of human instrumentality would have ended up being.
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My favorite Freud hot take was that he kept hearing from women that their fathers were sexually abusing them, but the fathers denied it, so Freud wrote that the women were naturally psychologically attracted to their fathers as an explanation 
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The loss of all of the world's therapists in the 2nd Impact was the true loss from it all.
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Sinteres posted:Everyone being hard on Misato is kind of leaving out the part where if she doesn't manipulate him into getting into the robot he and everyone else dies as humanity is wiped out. Maybe there was a more competent approach someone who wasn't also personally broken could have taken to managing Shinji's trauma, but keeping him out of the robot wasn't really an option. If you ever reach the point where you're relying on traumatised 14 year olds to fight alien demigods then you're already dead.
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:If you ever reach the point where you're relying on traumatised 14 year olds to fight alien demigods then you're already dead. This kind of feels like we're getting into the "tactical realism" frame of mind.
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SHISHKABOB posted:This kind of feels like we're getting into the "tactical realism" frame of mind. Why does Pen-Pen appear inside the human instrumentality project in episode 26 when he isn't a Human?
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Having read more on Anno's past I'm inclined toward the takes I've seen that say it's less a mecha deconstruction and more tokusatsu with depression. Shin Godzilla seems like it was a real fun opportunity for him, considering.
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Just watched ep 24 and man it really feels like Kaworu should have been introduced earlier.
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Misato did (nothing) wrong.
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:Why does Pen-Pen appear inside the human instrumentality project in episode 26 when he isn't a Human? Pen-pen is the 19th Angel.
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P-Mack posted:Just watched ep 24 and man it really feels like Kaworu should have been introduced earlier. It would make him feel like more of a character, but it wouldn't get across how desperate Shinji is for connection if Kaworu was around for longer.
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bare bottom pancakes posted:It would make him feel like more of a character, but it wouldn't get across how desperate Shinji is for connection if Kaworu was around for longer.
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The role he plays in the last 2 episodes and EoE helps I guess.
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Kind of a shame we never got to see Kaworu (probably) hanging out and fighting the 11th and 12th angels in between the 2nd and 3rd rebuilds
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Ogmius815 posted:Freud is very interesting even if you think he’s full of poo poo. The text you mention specifically should be on literally everyone’s must read list. Death drive, motherfucker. Evangelion as hell.
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:Why does Pen-Pen appear inside the human instrumentality project in episode 26 when he isn't a Human? You think the Third Impact can tell Pen-Pen what he can and can't do? Don't tell the penguin what to do. It never ends well.
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lets hang out posted:Kind of a shame we never got to see Kaworu (probably) hanging out and fighting the 11th and 12th angels in between the 2nd and 3rd rebuilds I still want to see the whole movie between 2 and 3.
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The poster for Rebuild 1 showed Kaworu hanging out with the other children when we don't see him interact with anyone until 3. Now I'm not complaining about it being misleading but it could have been cool if that had been a thing.
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The Instrumental Extras fan disc from 2006 that had a bunch of AMVs, promos, and parodies is available once again. I had been after this particular white whale for the better part of a decade. I don’t think this counts as  but I’ll remove the link if so:https://nyaa.si/view/1144131
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EthanSteele posted:Anno doesn't hate otaku, just a certain type of otaku. Being a nerd that focuses on their hobbies more than interacting with people is fine. Being someone who does that and then blames other people for rejecting you when you're the one making the choice of shutting yourself off from others is not. He's also not a huge fan of the wow cool robot crowd iirc, but again, you can like the robot and the tech it's when you do that while also ignoring the message that he doesn't like. He's a man that visibly shakes with fervour when talking about how the movie Char's Counterattack is a "cultural heirloom for future generations" because despite not knowing what was going on when he was working on it he basically had a religious experience when he saw it in theatres so he is under no illusions that he is not a huge nerd. Yeah, this is more of what I was trying to get at it earlier. Anno's accepted the label of "otaku king" himself, and besides any guy who takes a break from his magnum opus animated film series to direct a Godzilla movie is definitely an otaku king. However, in being that guy, Anno had long run into the "wow cool robots"-types, and so at the very least, he had no problem lightly lampooning that kind of otaku a bit in Kensuke, which is maybe a little underappreciated in the midst of everything else happening in Eva. Peacoffee posted:Having read more on Anno's past I'm inclined toward the takes I've seen that say it's less a mecha deconstruction and more tokusatsu with depression. Shin Godzilla seems like it was a real fun opportunity for him, considering. Yeah, Eva itself feels a bit less radical in it's approach the more it's considered through toku lens than a mecha lens, which Shin Godzilla should put a renewed emphasis on considering how much Anno grounded both with the same kind of bureaucratic trappings and practical considerations of that scale. That is to say, Eva is structurally a toku monster of the week show, but Anno's realism and embrace of the message over just eye-candy brings him to an approach where of course it would be hell to have to fight monsters who are literally trying to end all mankind when you're just a teen, and even the city itself would be burdened in myriad ways to support that mess.
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