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Weird BIAS
Jul 5, 2007

so... guess that's it, huh? just... don't say i didn't warn you.
Regardless Misatowns.

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Zeruel
Mar 27, 2010

Alert: bad post spotted.
:misatowns:

I wonder if the new watchers caught Misato's lifeless body being torn asunder just after she shoves Shinji into the elevator and loving dies

Pyrotoad
Oct 24, 2010


Illegal Hen
Honestly the only dub VA I'm not a fan of in the new one is Asuka. She's severely lacking in the :black101: energy Tiffany Grant had and I can't decide if that was just a direction issue or a lack of experience as a VA.

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.
https://www.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/evywgp/evangelion-wont-stop-leering-as-it-explores-its-characters-sexuality

Nate RFB
Jan 17, 2005

Clapping Larry
That scene basically ruined their enjoyment of Dance Like You Want to Win, which is too bad but I get it. What's a little weird to me is less that they seem to take issue with the sexualization of Asuka as the headline implies, and more that the scene coming so early into Asuka's relationship with the show and Shinji makes the romantic comedy tropes in the episode not work. The actual content warning they give at the start of the whole pod I feel is a bit more pointed at, not to drudge it all up again, the Netflix translator's comments and views on child pornography in anime/manga/fanworks.

They really seemed to enjoy Day Tokyo-3 Stood Still and the Sahaquiel episodes, the former of which makes me happy because I weirdly have a lot of people being critical of that one over the years. They predictably hated Magma Diver which isn't a surprise, but they also only spend like 10 minutes on it so it's whatever. What I was a little surprised about was them being pretty 'meh' on Angel Infiltration, but I guess I just like Ritsuko a lot and always enjoyed the lore dump on the Magi and her getting the spotlight for a change.

I think they bring up the criticisms on those episodes that merit them; maybe some of that stuff with Asuka/Shinji will work better in the context of the overall story once they've finished because I certainly inject a lot of the later stuff into that scene in my rewatches which is a genie in the lamp I can't put back in.

They're doing 14-19 next time, 20-24, and then 25-26-EoE so I feel the next three will be real bangers of conversations.

EthanSteele
Nov 18, 2007

I can hear you
Misato is super fuckin' good at her job and is 100% business when she needs to be and all while being a (just about) functional alcoholic. What she pulls off despite having about 10% of the information she really should have is wild.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!

Pyrotoad posted:

Honestly the only dub VA I'm not a fan of in the new one is Asuka. She's severely lacking in the :black101: energy Tiffany Grant had and I can't decide if that was just a direction issue or a lack of experience as a VA.

Bad voice performance nowadays in dubs is mostly due to the director. VA's have no or little context to the scenes they're doing, so it's entirely reliant on the director having a good enough handle to write and direct.

ChaosArgate
Oct 10, 2012

Why does everyone think I'm going to get in trouble?

I'm finally getting around to poking around the Netflix dub and wow, I cannot stand the way they're pronouncing Fuyutsuki. There's an emphasis on the "su" that really shouldn't be there and its driving me up the wall.

Xander B Coolridge
Sep 2, 2011

Nate RFB posted:

That scene basically ruined their enjoyment of Dance Like You Want to Win, which is too bad but I get it. What's a little weird to me is less that they seem to take issue with the sexualization of Asuka as the headline implies, and more that the scene coming so early into Asuka's relationship with the show and Shinji makes the romantic comedy tropes in the episode not work. The actual content warning they give at the start of the whole pod I feel is a bit more pointed at, not to drudge it all up again, the Netflix translator's comments and views on child pornography in anime/manga/fanworks.

I'm not sure how you're arriving at that conclusion. The first 45 minutes is absolutely full of discussion about how the show participates in sexualizing the underage girls, and how Kaji's sexually harassing behavior is totally ignored.

Not to mention their discussion about the way Kensuke and Toji sell naked pictures of Asuka, yet are treated as perceptive young boys.

Honestly, I myself found a lot of this hard to stomach on this most recent rewatch.

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

Have started watching the Rebuild films. The first one is okay but nowhere near as good as the equivalent episodes of the TV show. I know it goes off the rails in the second film so hopefully that means it'll get more entertaining.

readingatwork
Jan 8, 2009

Hello Fatty!


Fun Shoe

cargohills posted:

Have started watching the Rebuild films. The first one is okay but nowhere near as good as the equivalent episodes of the TV show. I know it goes off the rails in the second film so hopefully that means it'll get more entertaining.

I haven't seen the Rebuild films since they were first released but I recall 2.0 being pretty much exactly what I wanted 1.0 to be. Definitely don't skip it.

Nate RFB
Jan 17, 2005

Clapping Larry

Xander B Coolridge posted:

I'm not sure how you're arriving at that conclusion. The first 45 minutes is absolutely full of discussion about how the show participates in sexualizing the underage girls, and how Kaji's sexually harassing behavior is totally ignored.

Not to mention their discussion about the way Kensuke and Toji sell naked pictures of Asuka, yet are treated as perceptive young boys.

Honestly, I myself found a lot of this hard to stomach on this most recent rewatch.
Please don't misunderstand, I'm not suggesting they did not touch upon those points or were particularly soft on them. The thesis that Waypoint touches upon frequently is that it is not bad that these characters are exploring and coming to understand their sexuality, but it is bad that the show uses that opportunity to leer at them in the process. But that's a conversation I feel people have to have if they are going to engage in this story, so when it was called out as a content warning I I suppose I more expected it...well I guess I didn't know what to expect, just that they didn't say anything I wouldn't want to be said nor did they say anything I would want people to have an out to skip over by giving those time stamps at the start. The call out to the translator and his freedom of speech remarks has I suppose what feels like a more real world consequence that is hard for at least me to stomach because it's a familiar conflict with how real people are engaging with underaged characters.

The stuff with Kensuke's photos is definitely crazy for me to think about now in 2019; I would have probably internalized it when I first watched the show like the Back to the Future peeping tom scene they brought up at the time but now it's like, woah what the gently caress?

esselfortium
Jul 19, 2006

Cumulonimbus Antagonistic Posting
https://twitter.com/Spytrue/status/1146798367516897280

Y'all'll

esselfortium
Jul 19, 2006

Cumulonimbus Antagonistic Posting
Given that Asuka is lacking an eyepatch and Kaworu isn't lacking a head, I'm assuming that the second image is just "here is some cool promo art but we're not giving you fuckers any hints about what we're actually doing".

Zeruel
Mar 27, 2010

Alert: bad post spotted.
Are we gonna get some loving Evangelion: Endgame happening?? :supaburn:

grieving for Gandalf
Apr 22, 2008

Asuka's spine is all jacked up

esselfortium
Jul 19, 2006

Cumulonimbus Antagonistic Posting

grieving for Gandalf posted:

Asuka's spine is all jacked up

We don't call things "jacked up" anymore. Now we say they're "the lowest of the low".

Ogmius815
Aug 25, 2005
centrism is a hell of a drug

Weird BIAS posted:

I love reading Eva assuming Misato is far more competant than the show lets her be. I just got to the episode where they all go to a wedding and Misato gets drunk and I honestly think she pretended to get drunk to trick Kaji into thinking she wouldn't be on his rear end when he investigates terminal dogma the next day. Not that she didn't spill her guts about how she felt about Kaji but yeah I think she knew he was trying to gently caress with her to get Nerv's secrets.

Misato is an actual alcoholic. She probably is used to dealing with hangovers and may not even get them at the level of drunk she was that night.

Irony Be My Shield
Jul 29, 2012

Nate RFB posted:

The actual content warning they give at the start of the whole pod I feel is a bit more pointed at, not to drudge it all up again, the Netflix translator's comments and views on child pornography in anime/manga/fanworks.
Is it regarding what avatarskorra wrote about Kanemitsu? I think that tweet was basically straight-up malicious slander, I hope it doesn't get more circulation.

Paracelsus
Apr 6, 2009

bless this post ~kya

Ogmius815 posted:

This is off topic, but Jesus famously didn’t write anything.

Not quite, he is described as writing in the dirt in John 8 while the Pharisees are talking.

readingatwork
Jan 8, 2009

Hello Fatty!


Fun Shoe
Aaaand done with EOE. God drat this movie is gorgeous. I hate that 1.0+3.0 is going to be using lovely CG for everything it looks so bad in comparison.

I'm pretty (read: sort of but not really) sure that the rest of humanity survived and is washing up on other shores of Shinji's newly made hellworld. I mean, that was kind of the whole point of Shinji's choice at the end and I think that's what all the white crosses going everywhere symbolized. It's hard to say for certain though. I AM pretty sure that the "Asuka at the end is Shinji's three crushes in one body" theory is bunk though since those injuries were pretty clearly incurred in the fight with the mass production Evas. Her just being Asuka also makes that moment at the very end where she caresses his face as he chokes her particularly interesting since it echoes her behavior throughout the show where she cares about Shinji despite him being the patron saint of self-absorbed losers and failing her at every opportunity. I think the fact that he stops choking her and instead starts crying may also indicate that he's grown a bit since the scene in the kitchen (and yes, that is super problematic if that was Anno's intent).

Either way I can't think of another series where we'd be having this kind of discussion 15 years after the fact. NGE is so loving good and I'm so happy that a new generation is getting the opportunity to be traumatized by it.

Spiritus Nox
Sep 2, 2011

esselfortium posted:

Given that Asuka is lacking an eyepatch and Kaworu isn't lacking a head, I'm assuming that the second image is just "here is some cool promo art but we're not giving you fuckers any hints about what we're actually doing".

Surprise twist - the movie actually ignores 3.0 entirely and the movie just picks up directly from the end of 2.0 without any timeskip and everyone continues forward like nothing happened

a kitten
Aug 5, 2006

https://twitter.com/ActionZacku/status/1146849449643143168

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant
I thought 3.0+1.0 kind of implied that it was the end of eva but the beginning of a new chapter.

Or something, I just know it stopped being Eva Q and am drat happy that's not the case with the Dumb Internet latching on to that letter like Doug Funnie sketching Quailman poo poo all over a notebook.

Ogmius815
Aug 25, 2005
centrism is a hell of a drug

I’ll never stop wondering why he loving chokes her. It’s the weirdest thing in a series full of weird things.

Tuxedo Catfish
Mar 17, 2007

You've got guts! Come to my village, I'll buy you lunch.

Ogmius815 posted:

I’ll never stop wondering why he loving chokes her. It’s the weirdest thing in a series full of weird things.

they're fresh out of being merged into a single collective consciousness and each knows exactly what the other thinks of them

imagine the worst grudge anyone's ever had against you, and then imagine that feeling being injected into your own brain so intimately that you can barely even separate it from your own self-loathing

wouldn't you want to do anything you could to get that feeling out of your head, to deny it, to pin it on someone else, maybe even punish them for thinking it?

that's where I imagine Shinji is at in that moment. and yeah, it's really hosed up and wrong of him, and driven by cowardice and fear. but in the final measure I don't think it's all that strange, just sad.

or if you're feeling less charitable -- "How disgusting." :v:

Agronox
Feb 4, 2005
It's just being the ultimate tsundere at the end of the world.

*caresses cheek* "How disgusting"

The REAL Goobusters
Apr 25, 2008

Finally Evangelion is cancelled

ArfJason
Sep 5, 2011
asuka and shinji are poison to each other but the brief glimmers of them working together or just being dumb kids gives me hope they can understand each other after eoe

Mermaid Autopsy
Jun 9, 2001

Because the movie's kitchen scene takes place directly before 3rd Impact proper, so when Shinji exits the LCL sea all of the feelings of separation he had before come back, replaying his twisted recollection of Episode 15. This is easier to follow in the new translation.

CharlestheHammer posted:

Lol citing a work on translation that was last revised in the 60s

erm kind of irrelevant tbh, the point is that languages can meet halfway

Mermaid Autopsy fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Jul 4, 2019

Zore
Sep 21, 2010
willfully illiterate, aggressively miserable sourpuss whose sole raison d’etre is to put other people down for liking the wrong things
Also Asuka is the first person he's seen come out of the tang. Its been a while too judging by the number of little memorials he's built.

Having a rather extreme emotional reaction after a traumatic experience and extended isolation is probably the most human thing he could have done. He's having PTSD flashbacks and probably a full on mental breakdown.

Ogmius815
Aug 25, 2005
centrism is a hell of a drug

Death (True)^2 has more logos at the beginning than I have ever seen in any other movie.

Expect My Mom
Nov 18, 2013

by Smythe

Ogmius815 posted:

I’ll never stop wondering why he loving chokes her. It’s the weirdest thing in a series full of weird things.
I have honestly never once questioned this.

To add to what everyone else has said, to have everything that Asuka represents to him along with the guilt and shame for what he's done laid right at his feet, it's honestly natural that his reaction is to get rid of it. Base Shinji comes out and tries to run away from dealing with another person again. But there's no where to literally run away to, so he tries to kill her. Asuka's touch reminds him that she's a person and the lessons that he learned in the human soup and he stops choking her. It's the first slow, shaky, step towards Shinji being a more healthy person

Expect My Mom
Nov 18, 2013

by Smythe
questions of why a character in evangelion did something or what is motivating them are almost always answerable on an emotional level. that's kinda the whole point.

ArfJason
Sep 5, 2011

Expect My Mom posted:

questions of why a character in evangelion did something or what is motivating them are almost always answerable on an emotional level. that's kinda the whole point.

character studies, are, in my opinion, fairly win, IMO.

P-Mack
Nov 10, 2007

Just finished EoE. drat that was a trip.

He chokes her cause he's so hosed up then he stops cause he's not quite that hosed up, made sense to me.

ArfJason
Sep 5, 2011

P-Mack posted:

Just finished EoE. drat that was a trip.

He chokes her cause he's so hosed up then he stops cause he's not quite that hosed up, made sense to me.

As expected of someone with that name.

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Expect My Mom posted:

questions of why a character in evangelion did something or what is motivating them are almost always answerable on an emotional level. that's kinda the whole point.

for the protagonists they all have exactly the same answer: teenagers am i right

yes this includes 3.0, wearing an eyepatch doesn't mean you actually aged asuka

DC Murderverse
Nov 10, 2016

"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"

Yinlock posted:

for the protagonists they all have exactly the same answer: teenagers am i right

yes this includes 3.0, wearing an eyepatch doesn't mean you actually aged asuka

hey when a quirk of fate denies you the ability to emotionally mature and stabilize you're allowed to put on an eyepatch to give you some semblance of change

imagine being stuck with not just the body but also the emotional foibles of your fourteen-year-old self forever. it's basically hell on earth

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Weird BIAS
Jul 5, 2007

so... guess that's it, huh? just... don't say i didn't warn you.
Asuka is the kind of person who if their eye was injured in third impact because of Shinji would put on an eyepatch for the next time she sees him just to gently caress with him even if the wound has healed.

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