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Covok posted:https://www.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/evywgp/evangelion-wont-stop-leering-as-it-explores-its-characters-sexuality this piece is great and the whole podcast has some excellent discussion about the show but one of the guys keeps pronouncing Asuka with emphasis on "a-SU-ka" and it bugs me. not quite as much as "Nth Children" but close
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SHISHKABOB posted:Does anyone have any idea what the hell Rei is reading here? It's in episode 9, the one after Asuka is introduced. i only knew about this because my mom, who is a molecular biologist, happened to walk by when i was watching that scene and asked why people were studying rna transcription in my weird japanese cartoon
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The REAL Goobusters posted:This is true. I just still think it’s hosed up since Shinji (who is 14 years old btw) is suffering through some of the most intense mental trauma and this is what he’s told?? catching up with the thread, but i think it should be kept in mind that misato's response to shinji's grief at kaworu is probably heavily colored by her own personal history. someone also sacrificed their own life so she could live and then she went into a catatonic state for a couple of years, and she still can't wrap her head around why her father saved her, or let go of the survivors guilt. she's telling him to just accept things and move on without thinking about it because that's how she copes with an analogous situation.
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get on the loving alpaca shinji
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I wonder if my sackful of Evangelion figures from 2001 buried deep in the back of the closet are drastically increasing in value rn.
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Origami Dali posted:I wonder if my sackful of Evangelion figures from 2001 buried deep in the back of the closet are drastically increasing in value rn. If the show does well on Netflix, they’ll eventually put out a braggy press release talking about how many people watched it. That’s how you’ll know.
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DC Murderverse posted:this piece is great and the whole podcast has some excellent discussion about the show but one of the guys keeps pronouncing Asuka with emphasis on "a-SU-ka" and it bugs me. not quite as much as "Nth Children" but close It's even more frustrating that he continues to do it after they halt the podcast and have a talk about the correct pronunciation of her name
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The Netflix dub uses voices for Asuka’s mother and step mother that are too similar to one another and that causes some problems in episode 22.
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Xander B Coolridge posted:It's even more frustrating that he continues to do it after they halt the podcast and have a talk about the correct pronunciation of her name I think the Waypoint podcast has more interesting discussion about the show, especially when it comes to how much Eva talks out of both sides of its mouth re: sexualization of 14-year-olds and also calling out Kaji for repeatedly sexually assaulting Misato while being the cool guy, but the Ringer podcasts win points for never making me say “please please please stop saying that name wrong” in futility. Not just with Asuka but also Futsuyuki.
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Hi, I watched this whole show and EoE for the first time this week and I’m pretty sure I need a therapist now with how much I recognize myself in Shinji (and by extension 1990s Anno)
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Another NGE success story!
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god dammit those are so loving cute and fluffy I want all threeLuigi Thirty posted:Hi, I watched this whole show and EoE for the first time this week and I’m pretty sure I need a therapist now with how much I recognize myself in Shinji (and by extension 1990s Anno)  congratulations!
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Gif doesn’t include Pen Pen, is bad.
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Ogmius815 posted:Gif doesn’t include Pen Pen, is bad.   fine
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Moose-Alini posted:Another NGE success story! The whole time I watched episode 26 I was thinking the narrator was speaking to me (recontextualizing “why do you pilot the Eva” to my own circumstances of course) and bawling
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Edit: it appears the poster might have been serious and I don’t want to shame him for having feelings.
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Went through this, and I came away surprisingly sympathetic to the angels. Like, no poo poo they want to destroy humanity, we raped and mutilated their mother (the bit where they describe what they did to Adam to initiate Second Impact is deeply  once you grasp the implication), enslaved our children with her, and turned them into weapons against their own kind in order to usurp their power because some rich assholes got all insecure. Despite this, though, they seem strangely, innocently curious about us. Pretty much every Angel from Iruel onwards (except Zeruel, who's just extremely pissed off) just wants to understand us and figure out why we did what we did.Like, SEELE is just spectacularly awful, and I do not believe for a second their line in the reports Misato found about how they just had to forcibly inject human DNA into the sleeping deity they dug up in order to save the world.
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Haven't thought too much about it before, and I'm sure it's basic "thinking about Eva" stuff, but it's interesting that the Angels still seek out communication despite being completely self-sufficient.
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Darth Walrus posted:Went through this, and I came away surprisingly sympathetic to the angels. Like, no poo poo they want to destroy humanity, we raped and mutilated their mother (the bit where they describe what they did to Adam to initiate Second Impact is deeply That’s always kind of the sticking point with NERV and SEELE. They’re awful and they deserve everything that happens to them, but that’s why they have to pick on 14 year olds since a full fledged adult is likely to tell them “you all suck and you’re shady as hell, I refuse to take part.” In a sense though Instrumentality is its own punishment. You’re no longer separated from others but you also don’t have any personal safety, you are now blended with everyone else, and they know you too. I doubt the rest of humanity was all that impressed with SEELE once they got into the soup together, and since Instrumentality peels back your insecurities, well. If 4.0 goes into what everyone else went through during Instrumentality that would be supremely awesome (and it most likely won’t happen.)
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klapman posted:Haven't thought too much about it before, and I'm sure it's basic "thinking about Eva" stuff, but it's interesting that the Angels still seek out communication despite being completely self-sufficient. also that their attempts at communication and connection hurt the kids waaaay more than all the acid, tentacles and laser beams
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Eh, I wouldn't say the angels after Iruel are all innocently curious and trying to communicate. Leliel I can buy that for, but Bardiel makes no attempt at communication and literally tries to eat/possess the EVAs, Arael rips open Asuka's brain and rubs her nose in all her insecurities, and Armisael is straight up malicious with what it says to Rei and tries to use her for.
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I think the angels are basically the same as the humans, except probably in a bit more of a post-instrumentality sort of existence. I mean can you imagine a whole world full of each kind of angel? I mean obviously the interests and motivations of the angels are probably almost completely alien to us, but at the same time they must be similar in some sense. Take for instance Kaworu. Sort of similar but fundamentally different because he really does decide to end his entire existence for the sake of Shinji's. But I think you could say that Kaworu had some "human" elements, like love. But what I think is the most important thing in the show to consider about the angels is the way Shinji juxtaposes them in his mind alongside his dad Gendo.
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Heavy Sigh posted:Eh, I wouldn't say the angels after Iruel are all innocently curious and trying to communicate. Leliel I can buy that for, but Bardiel makes no attempt at communication and literally tries to eat/possess the EVAs, Arael rips open Asuka's brain and rubs her nose in all her insecurities, and Armisael is straight up malicious with what it says to Rei and tries to use her for. Bardiel attempts to physically merge with an Evangelion much like Iruel tried to physically merge with the Geofront and the Magi, and that was definitely motivated at least in part by curiosity - it didn't need to read all those files before mashing the self-destruct button. EVA-03 behaves very much like it's gone berserk in the normal Evangelion way (strangulation is a very human form of violence throughout the series), so it's hard to say which party is more at fault for that. As for Arael, Asuka's so fragile and repressed that I can genuinely buy that opening up her mind and bringing down her barriers so you can look at what's inside would have that sort of effect, no malicious intent required. Armisael, meanwhile, seems to be trying to bring about a sort of baby Instrumentality with itself as the Lance of Longinus, and breaking down the physical and psychological barriers between yourself and humans in order to figure out how they tick is a lot more understandable and reasonable when you're a bona-tide alien with incredibly weird biology rather than just another insecure, maladjusted human. Then, of course, there's Tabris, who seems to genuinely like and be interested in the Lilim, but is too desperate to get back to his mum to be able to protect them from himself.
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Zeruel posted:I missed the bit wrt Adam... What did they do to it? Second Impact was triggered when they forcibly injected her with human DNA - you hear them discussing it in the cold open to Episode 21. They then proceeded to cut her apart and use her genetic material combined with their own to make the Evangelions (except Unit 01, which was made by raping and mutilating Lilith in much the same way, because humanity doing that to its own mother is extremely on-brand for Evangelion). Darth Walrus fucked around with this message at 09:36 on Jul 6, 2019 |
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Rei and Yukiko were my waifus and having their VA dunk on shitlords just confirms I was right. I thought Lee was easily the best performance in the dub outside of Gendo. I loved her Rei and was very annoyed they replaced her in Rebuild.
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the picture selling in eva was definitely a trope of the time, lots of series depicting horny men did it, or had characters talking about doing it. i'm struggling to remember some but ranma 1/2 definitely did for example. not that it isnt bad
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Anyone got a translation for Marie's little speech at the end when she mentioned Shinji?
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I'm right there in Paris, it was bonkers. Slightly sad that Anno couldn't come in person. Pierson> she says when she promised she'd come and get Shinji wherever he is, she meant it. Chev fucked around with this message at 14:29 on Jul 6, 2019 |
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Darth Walrus posted:Then, of course, there's Tabris, who seems to genuinely like and be interested in the Lilim, but is too desperate to get back to his mum to be able to protect them from himself. Maybe I misunderstood, but doesn’t Kaworu/Tabris literally choose death in order to save humanity from destruction?
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Ogmius815 posted:Maybe I misunderstood, but doesn’t Kaworu/Tabris literally choose death in order to save humanity from destruction? He does, but he's unable to turn back before things escalate to that point thanks to Adam's call, and only goes 'yeah, you can kill me now' once he realises he's got the address of the wrong god.
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Zeruel posted:
um , because he's the protagonist??? I have to say as someone who just kinda shrugs at a lot of the more internalized mental stuff in Eva, the density of crazy kaiju battles, technobabble, and huge explosions in that teaser are very promising 
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Yeah I'm fairly certain this movie isn't gonna be something I enjoy. That was the most boring 10 minutes I've spent in a long time Also, I know it's probably been said or argued about before, but boy does cgi in anime look really off-putting to me.
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It's weird. The rebuild's diverged so much from what I "know " as Eva it's essentially a foreign thing now. It's kind of like meeting up with an old friend and then realizing yeah 10 years have passes and all those old memories are footnotes to your lives now. But I'm jazzed about them actually doing stuff with the world, since they deploy an Anti-Lilith/Anti-AT Field Nullifier device there I'm both interested and annoyed that they're up to Angel Series 42 and Eva unit Xx. but it looks like Fuyutsuki is playing mad scientist and grafting Eva and Angel parts randomly the way we're rebuilding Eva through the films and that's adding an interesting side to the character Xander B Coolridge posted:Also, I know it's probably been said or argued about before, but boy does cgi in anime look really off-putting to me.
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FilthyImp posted:It's weird. The rebuild's diverged so much from what I "know " as Eva it's essentially a foreign thing now. It's kind of like meeting up with an old friend and then realizing yeah 10 years have passes and all those old memories are footnotes to your lives now. Remember, Fuyutsuki is implied to have made the Reis, and was probably a major player in making the Evangelions, considering his qualifications. This side of him was always there.
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Xander B Coolridge posted:Yeah I'm fairly certain this movie isn't gonna be something I enjoy. That was the most boring 10 minutes I've spent in a long time I dunno, that music got me pumped and the part where Mari drove the loving Eiffel Tower spire into the enemy was kickass (and she apologized to Eiffel during it, lol). It was also really cool once the point of their mission was revealed and the city was restored with Nerv rising up. Yes, Mari is sort of a bland, perfect "I'm never in danger and I know more than the audience about what's going on" character, but I'm up for anything Anno delivers at this point.
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