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Randler
Jan 3, 2013

ACER ET VEHEMENS BONAVIS

Wengy posted:

The insane pressure on loving third graders to develop ‘presentation skills’ (and make the grade for Gymnasium when they’re ten years old, lol)?

Auf welche Seite des Artikels beziehst Du dich damit?

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Mithaldu
Sep 25, 2007

Let's cuddle. :3:

i like that one better :)


also:

https://twitter.com/PetrBystronAfD/status/1148667002732646401

but despite his claims the like is still there

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

Mithaldu posted:

i like that one better :)


also:

https://twitter.com/PetrBystronAfD/status/1148667002732646401

but despite his claims the like is still there

I like butts and I can't lie.

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

But what did he mean by that?


aphid_licker posted:

Sehe den Nachrichtenwert nicht, we already knew that AfD was full of Wichser

:dadjoke:

Mano
Jul 11, 2012

pidan posted:

Isn't the Swiss military the one that keeps invading Austria by accident?

As others said that's mostly Lichtenstein. It's also pretty unfair, we also invade France regularly (much of the border is in woods), Germany at least by single people (some border crossing routes near Schaffhausen are allowed for civilians without "border crossing" but not for people on military duty. The rest of the border is the Rhine fortunately), shell Italy (who knew that shooting at Alps when you aim too high might lead to the shell flying further? I think they stopped the alp shelling generally though).
The only neighbor I'm actually not too sure about is Austria, most of the border is the Rhine and in the Alps which limits the amount of military people around. But with the proven ability of Swiss military to read maps (i.e. nearly nil. "What's that broad green line on the map? Probably not important"), I'm sure we do that regularly too.

Mithaldu
Sep 25, 2007

Let's cuddle. :3:
Anscheinend hat gestern abend die Polizei Sachsen mal wieder am Rad gedreht:

https://juergenkasek.wordpress.com/2019/07/10/was-geschah-in-der-nacht-in-leipzig-le0907/


https://twitter.com/watch_union/status/1148889683008610305



Ach ja, zum Thema Bystron: Der hat den Tweet immer noch geliked und kann den anscheinend nicht entfernen und hat einfach zum Übertünchen 10 andere Tweets geliked.


E:

https://twitter.com/PetrBystronAfD/status/1148861283510431745

Mithaldu fucked around with this message at 11:17 on Jul 10, 2019

Duzzy Funlop
Jan 13, 2010

Hi there, would you like to try some spicy products?

https://twitter.com/PetrBystronAfD/status/1148858415734808576?s=19

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Mano posted:

As others said that's mostly Lichtenstein. It's also pretty unfair, we also invade France regularly (much of the border is in woods), Germany at least by single people (some border crossing routes near Schaffhausen are allowed for civilians without "border crossing" but not for people on military duty. The rest of the border is the Rhine fortunately), shell Italy (who knew that shooting at Alps when you aim too high might lead to the shell flying further? I think they stopped the alp shelling generally though).
The only neighbor I'm actually not too sure about is Austria, most of the border is the Rhine and in the Alps which limits the amount of military people around. But with the proven ability of Swiss military to read maps (i.e. nearly nil. "What's that broad green line on the map? Probably not important"), I'm sure we do that regularly too.

The Austrian army is mostly kept in check by rampant alcoholism though.

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

https://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/seehofer-interview-internet-bahntrassen-1.4518842

I'm which Horst Seehofer (of CSU and Heimat fame) admits that neo liberalism was a mistake and demands full communism now

Mithaldu
Sep 25, 2007

Let's cuddle. :3:
Hier sieht man Emotions-befreite Polizisten die korrekt ihre Arbeit zum Schutz der Bürger tun:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaL29SCSYwk&t=68s

Mano
Jul 11, 2012

genericnick posted:

The Austrian army is mostly kept in check by rampant alcoholism though.

Show me one that isn't.

Randler
Jan 3, 2013

ACER ET VEHEMENS BONAVIS

Opferwurst posted:

https://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/seehofer-interview-internet-bahntrassen-1.4518842

I'm which Horst Seehofer (of CSU and Heimat fame) admits that neo liberalism was a mistake and demands full communism now

I'm the Horst Seehofer who wants to siphon more money for the rural hillibillies which are the fundament of his nazi party.

Dommolus Magnus
Feb 27, 2013

Quite a smart hack. By choosing relatively vanilla but not too vanilla porn they make him lose support in both the spießer and weird fetish lovers demographics which, let's face it, make up 90%+ of the electorate.

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

Randler posted:

I'm the Horst Seehofer who wants to siphon more money for the rural hillibillies which are the fundament of his nazi party.

Genuinely curious to see how putting IT Megabehörden into small villages like Halle will work out. Large companies in the boondocks have already started opening IT satellite offices in large cities just to get anyone with a degree to work for them.(Turns out, no amount of money can get a young eager computer fondler to move to the Land or German Mordor/Halle)

Cingulate
Oct 23, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
I actually took up my current computer toucher job in part cause it’s largely remote, so I can continue living in a swamp and pay 350€ in rent and live close to family and old friends.

But granted I’m perhaps not the smartest Hannes im Dorfe.

Cingulate fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Jul 10, 2019

Gatac
Apr 22, 2008

Fifty Cent's next biopic.

Opferwurst posted:

Genuinely curious to see how putting IT Megabehörden into small villages like Halle will work out. Large companies in the boondocks have already started opening IT satellite offices in large cities just to get anyone with a degree to work for them.(Turns out, no amount of money can get a young eager computer fondler to move to the Land or German Mordor/Halle)

Halle (Saale) or Halle (Westfalen)? Either way I'm with you.

pidan
Nov 6, 2012


I've interviewed with a computer company headquartered in the world famous metropolis of Unna (bei Dortmund), so I guess it's not that absurd. Bosch also lures people to tiny Swabian towns, probably because they pay well.

The central idea isn't that someone will move to Halle though, the idea is that someone has already studied informatics at the TH Halle for some reason and will now accept lower pay so he won't have to move out of mum's house.

Mithaldu
Sep 25, 2007

Let's cuddle. :3:
Sachsenpolizei is echt cool.

https://twitter.com/immer_bereit/status/1149046965331726336

Haramstufe Rot
Jun 24, 2016


Insallah this guy goes to vacation to Berlin or non-East Germany, this car will burn well.


Randler posted:

Ich versuche mich gerade in Musiktheorie einzulesen und ich bin mir ziemlich sicher, dass selbst von den Grundlagen nichts Teil des schulischen Lernplans war.

Kein Wunder, dass die jungen Leute eine Woche lang gegen den Klimawandel protestieren anstatt zur Schule zu gehen. Verpassen tut man da wohl echt nichts. :colbert:


i disagree actually. We had most stuff of music theory in school - I remember starting with Kontrapunkt, all the different Greek scales, Dur/moll, identifying keys of a song, playing off of Dreiklaenge, Quintenzirkel, song structure etc. Everything but Jazz, basically.

But it was utterly non-motivated with regards to "how do I make a song", and only as "let's analyze this boring musical genius of old without any context to making music". Bonus points if your teacher hated modern music.

Years later I picked up a book because I wanted to write a song (the most Germanest of sentence) and I actually knew all the stuff. It just never occured to me that one should use these weird concepts in songwriting.


Edit: Like, imagine a couple of weeks projects where teams would write songs in school using the concepts learned. Seems so obvious, yet probably never occurs.

Haramstufe Rot fucked around with this message at 08:56 on Jul 11, 2019

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

But what did he mean by that?


I also had musical theory in school but couldn't make heads or tails of it, which frustrated my father (a professional musician to whom this stuff is super obvious) to no end. I still always got good grades in music tho despite my pathetic showing at theory exams, because I could play the guitar well :v:

Cingulate
Oct 23, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
My music teacher is the only reason I passed my Abi. Being a dumb idiot at 15 or 20 or whenever you do your Abi, I hated my math teacher with passion and she attempted to give me a failing grade on my oral exam. My music teacher, who I guess vaguely respected that I could sing and play a bunch of instruments and had bands and were ok at music theory, fought her until she gave me a barely passing grade.

Now I have no band, barely play any instrument anymore, but code algorithms for a living.

Still, I need to call him and tell him he’s a cool dude.

Randler
Jan 3, 2013

ACER ET VEHEMENS BONAVIS
Bildungspolitische Heißnahme: Der schulische Musik- sowie Sportunterricht in seiner gegenwärtigen Form gehört abgeschafft, da die Zensuren zu stark von der sozialen Schicht und dem Vermögen des Elternhauses abhängen.

pidan
Nov 6, 2012


Randler posted:

Bildungspolitische Heißnahme: Der schulische Musik- sowie Sportunterricht in seiner gegenwärtigen Form gehört abgeschafft, da die Zensuren zu stark von der sozialen Schicht und dem Vermögen des Elternhauses abhängen.

It really depends on whether you want schools to be some sort of teenage daycare where students get to develop their personality and grow into full rounded adults (but not too rounded, hence the sport), or whether it should be an ice cold assessment center where students are sorted by ability from future neurosurgeon to future Hartzer. When I went to school, music lessons were where you got to relax a bit and bang on some cymbals, while sport was the weekly hour of brutal body shaming and not being picked for the Mannschaft.

We did learn the Quintenzirkel and chords at some point though.

Mithaldu
Sep 25, 2007

Let's cuddle. :3:
Tbh, sports lessons are cool and good. Give kids options to learn stuff that'll help them. I would've loved to learn about Gewichtheben earlier than i did.

However grading that is pure Folter.

Personally i siedel an the reason somewhere else than class struggle though:

Music, arts and sports are HIGHLY subjective. Every person develops tastes for a host of different reasons in a lot of different categories and thus will have different amounts of energy to bring to any given topic that has zero correlation to skill or discipline.

And judging people for their tastes is some primo inhuman swine behavior.

Cingulate
Oct 23, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
The most important factor underlying eg math grades is probably genetics, ie, an unearned privilege. But what is the point of grades: a reward for those who by the magic of their free will decide to do the right thing? A method for rank ordering pupils by performance? A tool for motivating everyone to do their best?

They probably fail on all these metrics, although perhaps the least on #2.

I have no idea what the alternative should be. But depriving students who are not so fortunate as to be brought into contact with music and the fine arts as one of the nice consequences of enjoying the privilege of a decent Elternhaus does not sound right to me either.
Although maybe the focus should be put on “here is
something many find rewarding, let’s try it out”. And ok, maybe drop the grades.
I don’t know.

Goa Tse-tung
Feb 11, 2008

;3

Yams Fan

Randler posted:

Bildungspolitische Heißnahme: Der schulische Musik- sowie Sportunterricht in seiner gegenwärtigen Form gehört abgeschafft, da die Zensuren zu stark von der sozialen Schicht und dem Vermögen des Elternhauses abhängen.

ne nur die Zensuren müssen weg, Sport an sich hat ja schon eingebauten Erfolgsdruck, und Musik soll Spaß machen

Cingulate
Oct 23, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Mithaldu posted:

Tbh, sports lessons are cool and good. Give kids options to learn stuff that'll help them. I would've loved to learn about Gewichtheben earlier than i did.

However grading that is pure Folter.

Personally i siedel an the reason somewhere else than class struggle though:

Music, arts and sports are HIGHLY subjective. Every person develops tastes for a host of different reasons in a lot of different categories and thus will have different amounts of energy to bring to any given topic that has zero correlation to skill or discipline.

And judging people for their tastes is some primo inhuman swine behavior.
Some parts of grading music - ie theory - are quite objective. Even how well one can sing is at that level largely objective - a computer can measure how well you hit the notes. It’s just that it’s largely the roll of the genetic dice that determines how well you can hit a note, with some minor parent-side influence when it comes to playing instruments.

pidan posted:

It really depends on whether you want schools to be some sort of teenage daycare where students get to develop their personality and grow into full rounded adults (but not too rounded, hence the sport), or whether it should be an ice cold assessment center where students are sorted by ability from future neurosurgeon to future Hartzer. When I went to school, music lessons were where you got to relax a bit and bang on some cymbals, while sport was the weekly hour of brutal body shaming and not being picked for the Mannschaft.

We did learn the Quintenzirkel and chords at some point though.
pidan again expressing much better what I am going for.

Randler
Jan 3, 2013

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Goa Tse-tung posted:

ne nur die Zensuren müssen weg, Sport an sich hat ja schon eingebauten Erfolgsdruck, und Musik soll Spaß machen

Die Benotung ist das was größtenteils mit "in seiner gegenwärtigen Form" meine. Insbesondere beim Sportunterricht müsste aber m.E. auch der Lehrplan umgestrickt werden und man sollte den Schülern da auch mal Verständnis zu Themen wie Ernährung, Bewegungslehre und Fitness beibringen. Gegenwärtig scheint Sportunterricht immer noch mit Masse "Lass die Kinder mal [Ballsportart] spielen" und "6 Würfe auf den Korb, jeder Treffer eine Notenstufe" zu sein.

Und wenn ich an meinen Sportunterricht zurückdenke, dann bin ich immer noch erstaunt, dass es nur mäßige Verletzungen gab, so unsicher und unprofessionell wie das aufgezogen war. Mal ganz abgesehen davon, dass ein Fünftel des Kurses vom Sportlehrer Strafnoten gekriegt hat, weil der seinen Sportkurs früher als geplant beginnen ließ, sodass alle Leute, die vorher noch Spanisch hatten sich entscheiden mussten, welchen Kurs sie nur teilweise besuchen konnten.

Mithaldu
Sep 25, 2007

Let's cuddle. :3:

Cingulate posted:

Some parts of grading music - ie theory - are quite objective. Even how well one can sing is at that level largely objective - a computer can measure how well you hit the notes. It’s just that it’s largely the roll of the genetic dice that determines how well you can hit a note, with some minor parent-side influence when it comes to playing instruments.

I understand that it can be objectively measured, my argument settles around how interested any given person is going to be. And like, particularly in music: You first divide the pupils into those who care about making music and those who don't. And then you subdivide that further into those who care about the music the teacher put into the lesson and those who don't.

There is no gradiation here from easy music to hard music, it's all entirely taste.

Then you weigh that up against how likely it is to make a significant impact on your life. For any given student that settles around 0.


Or to give a more concrete example: My parents gave me zero appreciation for visual arts, and i have very little interest in producing drawn art. Subsequently my grades went something like 4 4 4 3 4 4 2 4 4 3 3. That 2 in there? When we went over dada, which was interesting.



Now compare that to math, which is literally sorted from easy to hard, and which for any given student will have a moderate influence on their life.

Mithaldu
Sep 25, 2007

Let's cuddle. :3:

Randler posted:

Mal ganz abgesehen davon, dass ein Fünftel des Kurses vom Sportlehrer Strafnoten gekriegt hat, weil der seinen Sportkurs früher als geplant beginnen ließ, sodass alle Leute, die vorher noch Spanisch hatten sich entscheiden mussten, welchen Kurs sie nur teilweise besuchen konnten.
Na das mal n genialer Assi.



Apropos Assi.

Hallo Deutschlandfaden, wer von euch hat persönliche Erfahrungen mit Homöopathie?

Randler
Jan 3, 2013

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Mithaldu posted:

Apropos Assi.

Hallo Deutschlandfaden, wer von euch hat persönliche Erfahrungen mit Homöopathie?

Homöopathen stehen für mich auf einer Stufe mit Nazis. Don't @ me. :colbert:

Ich war mal bei einem Neurologen, der gleichzeitig Homöopath war. Hat mir Kügelchen mitgegeben und dann meine Befunde vier Wochen lang bei sich liegen gelassen und weitere Kügelchen verschreiben wollen, bis er dann einräumen musste, dass es überhaupt keinen Befund/Behandlungsbedarf gab.

(Fairerweise möchte ich übrigens darauf hinweisen, dass es anscheinend bei der Grünen Jugend gerade die Stimmung hart gegen Homöopathie zu kippen scheint, und man versucht die Pro-Homöopathie-Positionen der Grünen kaputtzuhauen.)

Cingulate
Oct 23, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Mithaldu posted:

Na das mal n genialer Assi.



Apropos Assi.

Hallo Deutschlandfaden, wer von euch hat persönliche Erfahrungen mit Homöopathie?
I was raised homöopathisch. I first took real medicine (pain killers, penicillin) in my thirties and it still seems like magic to me that medication can actually DO THINGS.

Mithaldu
Sep 25, 2007

Let's cuddle. :3:
"I was raised homöopathisch. I first took real medicine (pain killers, penicillin) in my thirties and it still seems like magic to me that medication can actually DO THINGS.
/


Well i'm glad you managed to survive in spite of that.


Randler posted:

Homöopathen stehen für mich auf einer Stufe mit Nazis. Don't @ me. :colbert:

Ich war mal bei einem Neurologen, der gleichzeitig Homöopath war. Hat mir Kügelchen mitgegeben und dann meine Befunde vier Wochen lang bei sich liegen gelassen und weitere Kügelchen verschreiben wollen, bis er dann einräumen musste, dass es überhaupt keinen Befund/Behandlungsbedarf gab.
Tbh agreed on the Nazi thing. It's pure capitalism with profits derived from the suffering and death of actual people.

Also, just so i understand this right. You didn't actually have anything wrong with you, but he made you spend money on sugar balls? Did you eat them?

Randler posted:

(Fairerweise möchte ich übrigens darauf hinweisen, dass es anscheinend bei der Grünen Jugend gerade die Stimmung hart gegen Homöopathie zu kippen scheint, und man versucht die Pro-Homöopathie-Positionen der Grünen kaputtzuhauen.)
That's why i ask, i see a lot of anti homöo hype on twitter and i wonder what that looks like outside the filter bubble.



Also my personal story, which is only very lightly connected: My ma had an undiagnosed hernia for 5 years, and after 7 specialists couldn't find out what's wrong, and one doc sent her to a therapist, the last one told her the address of a ~heilpraktiker~, because clearly a woman with abdominal pain is a whiny femoid and not a sick person.

Randler
Jan 3, 2013

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Mithaldu posted:

Also, just so i understand this right. You didn't actually have anything wrong with you, but he made you spend money on sugar balls? Did you eat them?

Der erste Satz war noch kostenlos und ich habe das ganze dann noch vor Ende der Anfixphase abgebrochen.

Leider war ich damals noch finanziell von meinen Eltern abhängig, sodass ich daran gehindert war, das ganze "Ach ihr Befund, dass sie nichts haben? Den haben wir hier einfach mal liegen lassen, weil so wichtig war das nicht. Schlucken Sie ruhig weiter die ~Medizin~."-Zeug an die Kammer zu melden. :smith:

Haramstufe Rot
Jun 24, 2016

My Grundschul sport was pretty good, my teacher always called me "fat sack of potatoes" and then everyone made fun of me and i got beaten up for a couple of years. Fun times.
And in high school, sport was 99% running and gymnastics, which I was not good at, so I got bad grades up until the very end, when we visited a Gym and I deadlifted 180kg and the teacher, who of course hated me, had to give me an A.

Overall, school sports is good because you can learn how to hate sports and fight well.

Cingulate
Oct 23, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
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Goa Tse-tung
Feb 11, 2008

;3

Yams Fan

Mithaldu posted:

Na das mal n genialer Assi.



Apropos Assi.

Hallo Deutschlandfaden, wer von euch hat persönliche Erfahrungen mit Homöopathie?

meine Mutter trinkt Schnaps mit Kräutern weil das gesund ist

Perestroika
Apr 8, 2010

Ding Dong der Asi is raus:

quote:

Die SPD-Schiedskommission im Berliner Bezirk Charlottenburg-Wilmersdorf hat entschieden, dass ihr Parteimitglied Thilo Sarrazin aus der SPD ausgeschlossen werden darf. "Heute hat uns die Schiedskommission mitgeteilt, dass dem Antrag stattgegeben wird", sagte SPD-Generalsekretär Lars Klingbeil.
https://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschland/2019-07/spd-thilo-sarrazin-darf-aus-partei-ausgeschlossen-werden

Mithaldu
Sep 25, 2007

Let's cuddle. :3:

Randler posted:

Der erste Satz war noch kostenlos und ich habe das ganze dann noch vor Ende der Anfixphase abgebrochen.

Leider war ich damals noch finanziell von meinen Eltern abhängig, sodass ich daran gehindert war, das ganze "Ach ihr Befund, dass sie nichts haben? Den haben wir hier einfach mal liegen lassen, weil so wichtig war das nicht. Schlucken Sie ruhig weiter die ~Medizin~."-Zeug an die Kammer zu melden. :smith:
Ach kostenlose Probe, interessant. Aber bei den Herstellungskosten auch easy.

The feeling of parents who have no energy for anything is familiar to me, but also, even then reporting doctors for bullshit they did is EXTREMELY difficult, because nobody really gives a drat.


Unrelated:
:toot:
https://twitter.com/larsklingbeil/status/1149241996348932096

caps on caps on caps posted:

I deadlifted 180kg and the teacher, who of course hated me, had to give me an A.
drat how tall are you.

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Cingulate
Oct 23, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
I pulled 180 at 183 :smug:

Although it took me forever to work up to it.

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