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It turns out that Juggalo makeup blocks facial recognition technology Juggalos are doing the good work preventing the tech nightmare world.
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Jul 9, 2019 09:43
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On the other hand, it's really easy to detect someone wearing juggalo makeup.
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Jul 9, 2019 13:18
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9-Volt Assault posted:It turns out that Juggalo makeup blocks facial recognition technology Luv 2 Dazzle my face
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Jul 9, 2019 15:10
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https://twitter.com/DeepBagchee/status/1149501599057760256 https://twitter.com/DeepBagchee/status/1149502367689166849
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Jul 12, 2019 04:06
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The devices will be as popular as ever. I think at this point no one really cares, at least not enough to cut into sales.
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Jul 12, 2019 04:17
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Killer-of-Lawyers posted:The devices will be as popular as ever. I think at this point no one really cares, at least not enough to cut into sales. Anyone at all concerned about this just didn’t buy one of them.
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Jul 12, 2019 07:13
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These devices activating by mistake sometimes, even if someone didn't say the code word, happens relatively frequently and is a risk people should be aware of. It's also how that one family's Echo sent messages of their conversations without their knowledge.
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Jul 12, 2019 07:25
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Doggles posted:https://twitter.com/DeepBagchee/status/1149501599057760256 Seems disingenuous to conflate those two, one is a big that the company squashed almost straight away, the other is a designed process that was hidden from users?
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Jul 12, 2019 07:28
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Total Meatlove posted:Seems disingenuous to conflate those two, one is a big that the company squashed almost straight away, the other is a designed process that was hidden from users? This depends on what you want to talk about. If you want to discuss specific technical details about always on microphones, they look different. If you want to talk about how the tech industry as a whole doesn't give a single poo poo about consumer privacy, and in fact preys upon it, then they look like two sides of the same coin.
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Jul 12, 2019 08:21
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Observation: Siri Sucks, Alexa way better. On my iPhone, Siri is nearly unusable ... but if I run Amazon Music (on the phone), Alexa is dammed near perfect. There is no comparison. It's particularly bad in terms of hands-free driving so I simply won't even try.
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Jul 12, 2019 18:09
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Why not have passive data refreshers included inside of storage drives There is no way to make a "passive" data refresh, but modern drives do actively go and read then re-write old data to mitigate it's gradual degradation. This is mainly done so that stability and track spacing specs can be relaxed, allowing for higher capacity. Obviously, this doesn't work for a drive that is powered off, though. And that's the concern when it comes to the suitability of digital media for archival purposes. The magnetic patterns written on drives or tapes, or the stored charges in flash, inherently have lifetimes on the order of decades. This isn't a problem so long as the data is actively maintained and re-copied in some way, but what happens if i.e. an artist dies and leaves original works stored on a personal disk drive that end up being long forgotten, or a software firm goes out of business and the only place original source code exists is on abandoned and aging digital media, or if there is some kind of societal collapse. We're kind of in a historically unique position in that our records are thermodynamically assured to be completely wiped out after 50+ years of sitting around, with no hope of recovery. That just wasn't the case for most earlier physical media.
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Jul 12, 2019 19:08
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Morbus posted:We're kind of in a historically unique position in that our records are thermodynamically assured to be completely wiped out after 50+ years of sitting around, with no hope of recovery. That just wasn't the case for most earlier physical media. It was though. Why the hell do you think we're missing so much ancient writing? Many forms of writing could become useless in as little as 5 years (for instance, tons of cultures wrote on broad leaves which didn't last very wrong at all; and papyrus documents deteriorate very rapidly in moist environments), and there was tons of stuff that you needed to be transcribing on a generational schedule just to stay ahead of the game. And you know, just look back at mid-century mass publishing with ink and paper formulations that chemically attack each other even in ideal storage conditions, much less out around people's homes.
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Jul 12, 2019 20:33
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fishmech posted:It was though. Why the hell do you think we're missing so much ancient writing? Many forms of writing could become useless in as little as 5 years (for instance, tons of cultures wrote on broad leaves which didn't last very wrong at all; and papyrus documents deteriorate very rapidly in moist environments), and there was tons of stuff that you needed to be transcribing on a generational schedule just to stay ahead of the game. And you know, just look back at mid-century mass publishing with ink and paper formulations that chemically attack each other even in ideal storage conditions, much less out around people's homes. There are, of course, loads of ways a paper document or clay tablet or whatever can become unusable. Some paper formulations last longer than others, as do some inks, paper may corrode, get wet, etc. The vast majority of paper documents were surely lost--many due to fire. But this kind of loss is circumstantial--i.e. it depends on the circumstances of storage, preparation, etc. It is conceivable (and demonstrably the case) that under favorable circumstances, even documents hundreds of years old may be recoverable. And let's not undersell the archival viability of paper documents--there is a huge amount of records, books, etc., from the 19th century that are still preserved. There are at least some written artefacts left from virtually every society since the dawn of writing. Digital media is also susceptible to all kinds of circumstantial losses. Obviously a disk drive isn't going to do any better in a fire than paper. Or information about an encoding scheme might be lost, or there may be mechanical failures etc. But in the case of digital media there is an intrinsic limitation to data retention that is limited to decades or maybe a century. Like, it's conceivable that I can find an original paper document from 200 years ago still in readable condition--even if most other documents from that long ago weren't so lucky. But it is strictly impossible for the data on a disk drive to still be there 100 or 200 years from now.
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Jul 12, 2019 20:55
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Morbus posted:But in the case of digital media there is an intrinsic limitation to data retention that is limited to decades or maybe a century. This is what you aren't getting. There's no such thing. Not least because we have so many different ways to store digital media. This shouldn't be hard to understand. Morbus posted:And let's not undersell the archival viability of paper documents--there is a huge amount of records, books, etc., from the 19th century that are still preserved. There are at least some written artefacts left from virtually every society since the dawn of writing. And the only reason there aren't digital artifacts that old is because we didn't invent them long enough ago for that to happen - outside of if you call things like loom cards digital media. Which brings up the point again, that digital information is capable of being encoded... on paper, if you have some sort of fetishistic belief that only paper will survive. It pre-dates any of the other "long term" storage methods for digital computing. You can carve it or mold it from stone (like the M-discs do using commodity optical drives). You can dump it into audio on a golden record and send it to alpha centauri if you want.
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Jul 12, 2019 21:21
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The thing is, there has never ever been a coherent system for reliably storing your data for hundreds of years after your own death. Or a reason to do that. Like it's a historical or archeological interest to find one guy's diary or work log from hundreds or thousands of years ago, but as a culture we generate enough STUFF in general I don't think it's gonna ever be an issue of not generating enough grain shipping manifests because we digitized them too much that future generations can't know things about us. We are pretty set if our entire culture can generate like, 100 or so documents that make it to the year 6000AD or whatever. I don't think there is any real danger of our actively maintained stuff disappearing for a long long time, once all the original copies of alice in wonderland are gone we are going to have no risk of the text itself being gone for like, hundreds or thousands of years at least because we copy it so much to so many formats. My single copy fanfic about alice in wonderland might not make it 500 years, but when would it ever have? I think it has at least as good odds finding it's way into a zip file archive that gets replicated on some backup servers somewhere so someone someday can read it in the far future as it does falling into a cave somewhere in the middle ages. (read: not great odds either way)
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Jul 12, 2019 21:45
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I dont know about you guys but I cant see anyone changing anything I wrote on Facebook between now and 6000 A.D. Truly, our culture is safe.
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Jul 12, 2019 21:55
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Morbus posted:Like, it's conceivable that I can find an original paper document from 200 years ago still in readable condition--even if most other documents from that long ago weren't so lucky. But it is strictly impossible for the data on a disk drive to still be there 100 or 200 years from now. Not just "conceivable", its quite common. My university library's history section had huge numbers of books printed in the 1800s. And they weren't a special collection or anything, they were loanable to undergrads. Any decent university thats been around for a few centuries will have rooms full of ancient books that have survived in decent condition.
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Jul 12, 2019 22:15
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Unoriginal Name posted:I dont know about you guys but I cant see anyone changing anything I wrote on Facebook between now and 6000 A.D. Truly, our culture is safe. I mean, how much should anyone care about picking a data format based on worrying about someone in the year 6000AD? We can laser print some documents and put them in a stable cave somewhere and it'll be fine. There was not a system in the past where your personal facebook posts would last 4000 years. Some CD somewhere some random guy burned will be stuck in an argon pocket in a landfill or something crazy and unlikely and the year 6000 will get data from that on random dude's porn habits or whatever, while stuff like the text of harry potter or the film the matrix will just be things they have because now that stuff is digital and there is zero reason to not just copy that stuff forward and forward and forward forever at little or no cost.
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Jul 12, 2019 22:30
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There are 21 complete (more partial) copies of the Gutenberg Bible, the first movable-type book in the West, printed 1450. Paper can last a long long time, if somebody cares enough to preserve it.
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Jul 12, 2019 22:31
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Or maybe they won't be able to decode that data because the way the video or picture compression algorithm works has been lost with time. Also, the way we're burning resources now, seems unlikely there will be equipment to decode anything in the year 6000.
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Jul 12, 2019 22:33
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Arsenic Lupin posted:There are 21 complete (more partial) copies of the Gutenberg Bible, the first movable-type book in the West, printed 1450. Paper can last a long long time, if somebody cares enough to preserve it. Out of 180 printed? That is a survival rate of 11% for like one of the the most important book in human history. The text of the bible however has survived for thousands of years because people copy it from media to media over and over which used to be a real hard process but isn't anymore!
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Jul 12, 2019 22:37
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Lambert posted:Or maybe they won't be able to decode that data because the way the video or picture compression algorithm works has been lost with time. Also, the way we're burning resources now, seems unlikely there will be equipment to decode anything in the year 6000. but what if i write the instructions on paper and on how to do it huh?
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Jul 12, 2019 22:59
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LOL if anything we recorded today means poo poo in 6000 AD. quote:Out of 180 printed? That is a survival rate of 11% for like one of the the most important book in human history. Let me tell you about the true heroes of data retention, Jazz Drives!
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Jul 12, 2019 23:08
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absolutely love to see the huge communication disconnects in this argument as people wildly fire arguments past each other like a pack of blind gunfighters, in a discussion about the best methods to preserve the written word
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Jul 12, 2019 23:26
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luxury handset posted:absolutely love to see the huge communication disconnects in this argument as people wildly fire arguments past each other like a pack of blind gunfighters, in a discussion about the best methods to preserve the written word Some things, like this thread, are best left to rot. 
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Jul 12, 2019 23:37
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LOL that bad faith poster and OOOC are starting up again? And even on the same subject they got ruthlessly keelhauled about last week?MickeyFinn posted:If you want to talk about how the tech industry as a whole doesn't give a single poo poo about consumer privacy, and in fact preys upon it, then they look like two sides of the same coin. Pretty much this. Tech companies make a godawful amount of money off user data and these "mistakes" they keep making .... yeah well you could have in good faith argued it was honest mistakes a few years ago but given it keep happening over and over again, it's either incompetence on a level that is pretty much unbelieveable or it's completely deliberate and the tech companies are scrambling to find excuses
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Jul 13, 2019 00:18
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Lambert posted:Or maybe they won't be able to decode that data because the way the video or picture compression algorithm works has been lost with time. Also, the way we're burning resources now, seems unlikely there will be equipment to decode anything in the year 6000. Knowledge of reading hieroglyphics was also missing for a good millennium. Tons of cuneiform documents are still unread due to their quantity in comparison to the amount of people who can translate from it. Many writing systems are still completely opaque or only attested in fragments too small and apparently unrelated. You're not coming up with any sort of thing that only applies to digital media, or which applies more to digital media than other media. And if you're trying to hinge on a total civilization collapse argument, I assure you you're going to have a hard time reading regular books from now too. luxury handset posted:absolutely love to see the huge communication disconnects in this argument as people wildly fire arguments past each other like a pack of blind gunfighters, in a discussion about the best methods to preserve the written word Yeah it's obviously digitally, easy-peasy.
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Jul 13, 2019 00:22
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fishmech posted:Knowledge of reading hieroglyphics was also missing for a good millennium. Tons of cuneiform documents are still unread due to their quantity in comparison to the amount of people who can translate from it. Many writing systems are still completely opaque or only attested in fragments too small and apparently unrelated. If you're into that sort of thing, I highly, highly recommend Lost Languages: The Enigma of the World's Undeciphered Scripts . Sad and fascinating and thought-provoking. It starts cheerfully, with the decoding of the Egyptian hieroglyphs, Mayan glyphs, and Linear B. I'm still peeved about Etruscan, myself.
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Jul 13, 2019 02:29
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Boot and Rally posted:Anyone at all concerned about this just didn’t buy one of them. A lot of tech nerds are actually going back to flip phones and refusing to have PC microphones. At my last job we all developed a loathing for the internet of things as that's what's causing the constant record-setting DDOS attacks. There have been people complaining about mentioning something and then getting adverts for that thing within minutes all over their internet. The surveillance from Facebook is so massive that it has internal profiles for people who have never, ever created a Facebook profile. None of this crap will ever be secure and it blows my mind that people are just willingly filling their homes with all of these devices.
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Jul 13, 2019 03:23
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A person I know thinks having an additional power drain somewhere else in the same circuit will slow down the charging of a tablet. The vast majority of people using these devices don't actually understand anything about these problems. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHJbSvidohg
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Jul 13, 2019 04:05
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ToxicSlurpee posted:A lot of tech nerds are actually going back to flip phones and refusing to have PC microphones.
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Jul 13, 2019 05:15
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Arsenic Lupin posted:I'd like to know where they get them. I'm trying to find a flip phone for my demented mother, and all the devices I can find are just crippled smartphones (they have menu buttons, and poo poo.) If I could find a Razor equivalent, I'd be in heaven. And, yes, I know all about Consumer Cellular (that's what my mom has) and Jitterbug, which gets equally bad reviews. You don't get them anywhere, and all the original ones will stop working in 5 years due to 3g shutdown. No ones really developing such phones beyond being lovely smartphones, there's no demand and just running Android or Tizen slowly is cheap for the oem to handle.
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Jul 13, 2019 05:39
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Reddit has a list of dumb phones.
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Jul 13, 2019 05:58
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fishmech posted:This is what you aren't getting. There's no such thing. Not least because we have so many different ways to store digital media. This shouldn't be hard to understand. I've been reading you posts and I have a serious question. Are you autistic or do you have some other sort of disabiltiy? I don't mean to be insulting I'm just trying to understand your posting.
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Jul 13, 2019 06:18
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WorldsStongestNerd posted:I've been reading you posts and I have a serious question. Are you autistic or do you have some other sort of disabiltiy? I don't mean to be insulting I'm just trying to understand your posting. Here's how to understand it: your fetish for paper doesn't make it magic.
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Jul 13, 2019 06:21
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Arsenic Lupin posted:I'd like to know where they get them. I'm trying to find a flip phone for my demented mother, and all the devices I can find are just crippled smartphones (they have menu buttons, and poo poo.) If I could find a Razor equivalent, I'd be in heaven. And, yes, I know all about Consumer Cellular (that's what my mom has) and Jitterbug, which gets equally bad reviews. Nokia is selling one of its brick phones again: https://www.nokia.com/phones/en_int/nokia-3310/ Battery standby for up to a month Four colors to choose from Play the classic Snake 
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Jul 13, 2019 07:17
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lol if you don't carve everything into tungsten tablets.Sundae posted:Let me tell you about the true heroes of data retention, Jazz Drives! I dunno, we're still making references to the graffiti of Pompeii.
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Jul 13, 2019 07:18
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VideoGameVet posted:Nokia is selling one of its brick phones again: The versions of that which will still work on mobile networks after 3g shutoff run an older Android version. The 2g versions of the new release don't, but they also no longer function in most of the world, including the US.
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Jul 13, 2019 07:23
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Arsenic Lupin posted:I'd like to know where they get them. I'm trying to find a flip phone for my demented mother, and all the devices I can find are just crippled smartphones (they have menu buttons, and poo poo.) If I could find a Razor equivalent, I'd be in heaven. And, yes, I know all about Consumer Cellular (that's what my mom has) and Jitterbug, which gets equally bad reviews. you can get crappy 4g compliant prepaid phones from any best buy or grocery store or whatever and then take it to your provider to swap out the sim card and get the phone registered. that's what i do. $20 a phone, i use one of these but if you go through the att retail they tack on another $25 as a lazy tax
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fishmech posted:This is what you aren't getting. There's no such thing. Not least because we have so many different ways to store digital media. This shouldn't be hard to understand. There is absolutely such a thing. In disk drives, the magnetic 1s and 0s are are comprised from individual nanoscale magnetic domains. These magnetic switching units, due to their size, are inherently metastable. They have a chance to randomly switch from 1 to 0 or 0 to 1 just due to thermal fluctuations. You can get around this by making the magnetic domains larger, but that sacrifices capacity. Thermal stability is essentially a design constraint, where we are told "OK this product needs a data retention time / thermal decay rate of X, meet that minimum criteria and then optimize for capacity". Since capacity is far more important than data retention, no HDD product has a data retention time more than one to few decades (and the only reason we don't make it lower for even more capacity is that this decades-long data retention in zero magnetic field is necessary to ensure data retention of more than a few dozen hours when it comes to protecting already-written data from the stray field of the write head as it writes nearby adjacent tracks--this is an issue since thermal instability amplifies the ability of stay fields to erase). There is a similar problem in flash, where information is stored by trapping charge in the floating gate of floating gate MOSFETs. In order to write information, you need to inject charge via quantum tunneling through the gate dielectric, and to make this feasible you want to use a material that doesn't have too high of a potential barrier to tunneling. But if the barrier is too low, the charge will just leak back out. Also, if the dielectric has too high of a barrier, it will be more damaged each time you write, minimizing the write endurance of the memory. So there is inherently a tradeoff between data retention and endurance / maximum allowable current density for charge injection, and you are left to simply decide how much charge leakage is acceptable, vs. how many other penalties you are willing to incur to prevent it. So, again, data retention is a design specification, and you meet that limit while optimizing for specs that people will actually pay for (i.e. capacity, speed, endurance, cost). For reference, the current JEDEC specs for flash data retention (for an unpowered device at the end of its useful service life) are ~1 year for client, ~3 months for enterprise. So in the case of HDD and flash, which hold by a huge margin the vast majority of the world's total data (with extremely little of it replicated on other media), there are indeed intrinsic thermodynamic limits to data retention--at least for the devices as they are and have been designed. This doesn't mean you can't design devices with potentially far better data retention. And it doesn't mean there aren't alternative forms of digital media with better prospects (some forms of optical media and even magnetic tape could potentially survive a long time). And it certainly doesn't mean that digital media is inherently inferior to paper etc. when it comes to longevity (the opposite could be true if we actually designed media to last longer). What it does mean is just that the vast, vast majority of our digital information is written onto devices from which recovery is hopelessly and fundamentally impossible after they have been left dormant for many years. That may be 5 years, it may be 30, it may even be 50 it is not and can not be 100 or 200. This is very different from the situation that existed 50, 100, or 150 years ago, when the near totality of mankind's records weren't guaranteed to evaporate in a few decades if not actively maintained or transferred to special archival media.
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