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Katt posted:Usually in his interaction with his female human captain I think. Was a while since I read that one but she was kind of cool and had a good handle on him. The nails didn't just go into his brain, they replaced large chunks of it. Removing them would have removed half his brain and made him a drooling invalid if it didn't kill him.
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I think it was also a big deal that Angron never got to save his friends and his planet. Many primarchs saved their planets or at least redeemed them and then took an administrative role. Angron was at the head of some rebel gang fighting for freedom and the emperor just snatched him and left his friends to die and Angron to be remembered as a coward who fled when he had no say in the matter.
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Jul 14, 2019 20:45
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Duzzy Funlop posted:Which book is this info on Emp's original plan for the primarchs (before they got scattered) in? moths posted:If you haven't already, listen to the Malcador: First Lord of the Imperium audiobook by Laurie Golding.
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Duzzy Funlop posted:Wait, Angron was supposed to be a "lawful good paladin"? There’s a few places where Angron’s humanity comes through and you can see that part of him. At one point he says that if he wasn’t nailed up and Horus hadn’t started a rebellion, then he would have rebelled anyway because he sees the emperor as a tyrant.
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Jul 15, 2019 13:51
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It mostly shows up in Betrayer where he says to Guilliman I think that if it weren't for the nails he would've thrown the tyrant emperor off his thrown
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Jul 15, 2019 13:57
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Katt posted:I think it was also a big deal that Angron never got to save his friends and his planet. Many primarchs saved their planets or at least redeemed them and then took an administrative role. Angron was at the head of some rebel gang fighting for freedom and the emperor just snatched him and left his friends to die and Angron to be remembered as a coward who fled when he had no say in the matter. Dude was devastated in his soul that his friends loving died and he was forced to abandon them. All because the Emperor wanted to teach Angron a "lesson" and also because he wanted the industrial element of the planet intact. In the end, the planet didn't change and Angron was surrounded by strangers in his Legion instead of lifelong companions like the other Primarchs.
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Jul 15, 2019 15:24
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I love the evolution of the emperor over the years. When I was a kid (20 years ago now) he was this poor dude that tried to make a better world that got stuck on the golden throne. And the world went to poo poo around him, all his ideals of science and reason fell to superstition and fear. Now it's like hey yo empires are bad and anyone who calls himself literally "The Emperor" is probably a narisitic piece of poo poo. Also turns out if you make a bunch of super soldiers to go on actual loving crusades in the year 30,000 then maybe they might end up proper loving psychos too.
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So I am wrapping up Apocalypse, the new Josh Reynolds novel, and it isn't that bad. I expected straight bolter porn, but it actually has a lot more to it that is done reasonably well. It's nothing special but definitely beat my expectations. I have a question regarding some of the lore from it: Does anybody remember in the lore there being a secret inquisition (or maybe ecclesiarchy) facility that was somehow capturing the words of Lorgar? Like they had scribes/servitors that were somehow receiving the information and writing it down? Or something similar to it? I swear I remember this in something I have read and in Apocalypse the reason the Word Bearers are attacking is because the Ecclesiarchy world has a captive Word Bearer who is loyal and from the time of the Heresy hidden away who provides the teachings of Lorgar when he still worshipped the Emperor and has apparently helped steer the dogma of the Ecclesiarchy since its founding. There is a secret room on one of the other planets in the system where scribes receive his teachings and record everything without knowing the source. The head Word Bearer mentions that it is not the first such facility he has discovered, and I swear there is another book that mentions just such a facility but I don't think it was central to the plot in that book. It seems they took that idea from a previous book and gave it its own story. Someone help me out here And on the subject of more Primarchs returning I found this blurb from Apocalypse interesting: A Word Bearer is speaking with a captured Raven Guard and says: "They say your gene-sire still hunts, somewhere in the Eye,' Lakmhu said, looking up at his captive. "The Eternal Shadow, cast by the light of the Astronomican. The wages of our glorious sins. I myself do not believe it. But that is what they say." I thought this was interesting because I think it is the only time we have seen Corax mentioned in the 40k period as possibly still hunting in the warp. I know the HH short story confirms he has made it his mission to hunt traitors in the warp and embraced the warp primarch nature after the fall of the emperor but as far as I know this is the only mention in 40k. The head Word Bearer also frequently talks about Lorgar returning if he can complete his mission and even claims Lorgar gave him his mission after he prayed in the desert for 40 days and 40 nights. It really does seem like GW is going to start bringing back more Primarchs on both sides. I think it will happen once HH wraps up because they have seen how popular the Primarchs are and recognize the opportunity in generating more book and model sales. D-Pad fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Jul 15, 2019 |
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There’s been talk of a traitor primarch getting redeemed and possibly vice versa as well. I figure Fulgrim is the most likely candidate considering his clone exists, but I’d actually be totally on board with an Angron redemption arc and rebirth. Kharn is probably the single most loyal world eater and it would be a cool twist if the guy everyone nicknamed the betrayer manages to free his primarch from the nails and Khorne.
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I'd go for Magnus or Lorgar because I feel bad for them. Perturabo as well but he let bitterness consume him.
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It's probably Magnus because Janus got one of the loyal shards of Magnus's soul and I get the feeling that didn't disappear when Janus died.
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Demiurge4 posted:There’s been talk of a traitor primarch getting redeemed and possibly vice versa as well. I figure Fulgrim is the most likely candidate considering his clone exists, but I’d actually be totally on board with an Angron redemption arc and rebirth. Kharn is probably the single most loyal world eater and it would be a cool twist if the guy everyone nicknamed the betrayer manages to free his primarch from the nails and Khorne. This is too awesome to be true. It's going to be like... One of the Alpharius twins
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Would be better if some traitor and loyal primarchs just went "the imperium and chaos are both poo poo, we are going to make the empire daddy spoke of" and introduce a third faction. Have them ally with the Tau or Eldar too just to stick it to both of their previous factions.
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Jul 16, 2019 06:54
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Y'all might want to spoilertag that one development for those that haven't read / listened to the Fabulous Bike series
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Jul 16, 2019 09:15
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Lorgar is my second pick because it’s deliciously ironic.
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I just can't see a daemon primarch coming back into the fold.
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Jul 16, 2019 11:56
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Even loyal members of the traitor legions weren't welcome back. And that was when the emperor was in charge.
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It’s going to be alpharius and omegon switching sides. No one will notice or be able to tell the difference.
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Demiurge4 posted:There’s been talk of a traitor primarch getting redeemed and possibly vice versa as well. I figure Fulgrim is the most likely candidate considering his clone exists, but I’d actually be totally on board with an Angron redemption arc and rebirth. Kharn is probably the single most loyal world eater and it would be a cool twist if the guy everyone nicknamed the betrayer manages to free his primarch from the nails and Khorne. The ultimate vindication of good guy Kharn would also be hilarious.
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Preechr posted:It’s going to be alpharius and omegon switching sides. No one will notice or be able to tell the difference. Nah, it'll be Alpharius just going "Oh, hey, I was against Chaos all along. I'm just a tremendous rear end in a top hat."
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Randalor posted:Nah, it'll be Alpharius just going "Oh, hey, I was against Chaos all along. I'm just a tremendous rear end in a top hat." The twins take off their masks and they were Gork and Mork all along. They beat up the celestrial form of the Emperor, let the gate fall, headbutt chaos and start da biggest ruck EVA!!!! Turns out that due to warp time fuckery, the ultimate punch-up was actually the big bang that created the universe and it all starts again. This time the Emperor swears he'll do it differently before getting distracted by something shiney Dog_Meat fucked around with this message at 16:25 on Jul 16, 2019 |
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Rogal Dorn killed Alpharius though right? There is just Omegon left.
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Miguel Prado posted:Rogal Dorn killed Alpharius though right? There is just Omegon left. Or did he? *dum dum dum*
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Demiurge4 posted:There’s been talk of a traitor primarch getting redeemed and possibly vice versa as well. It's going to be the Lion and Luthor, and will make no sense or difference.
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Guilliman will speak to The Lion and tell him that he knows about the Dark Angels' secrets and that he forgives him. Then the Lion will stab Rowboat and run away because he's a paranoid nut.
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joke option, Fulgrim slithers back "I'm really bored with endless slaughter, time to sort out 10,000 years worth of Administratum errors and mistakes."
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I think you mean that Fulgrim will discover the overwhelmingly intense joy of hardcore accounting book keeping, and renounces Slaanish for denying him such pleasures.
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Fulgrim discovers VLOOKUP
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The Adminstratum has been using one enormous spreadsheet this entire time, Fulgrim's greatest challenge awaits.
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Miguel Prado posted:Rogal Dorn killed Alpharius though right? There is just Omegon left. That’s what they want you to think 
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Crazy options are Ferrus Manus and Rogal Dorn
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Jul 16, 2019 23:36
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Ferrus Manus should come back as a floating skull who headbutts his opponents into oblivion. Ferrus Caput.
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I'm about to head on vacation and as is tradition, I buy a BL book to read. What's out in bookstores that's good?
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VanSandman posted:I'm about to head on vacation and as is tradition, I buy a BL book to read. What's out in bookstores that's good? Spears!
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SardonicTyrant posted:Crazy options are Ferrus Manus and Rogal Dorn If they bring back Ferrus Manus as the leader of the Legion of the Damned, I won't even be mad.
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MMAgCh posted:Ferrus Manus should come back as a floating skull who headbutts his opponents into oblivion. Ferrus Caput. Quiet, Skhost! The real Ferrus Manus would not say such things!
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It'll never happen, but I'm still throwing in the hat for Perturabo finally realising that Chaos played him in a moment of grief and dragging the Iron Warriors back over to the Imperium just to prove Roboute wrong about him and his own in one giant middle finger to everyone. (Particularly seeing as he'd likely know if Dorn really died aboard that Chaos battleship with a hearty "screw you, I lived longer".) (Yes, I am aware this will never happen.)
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As an even more unlikely answer: After 10,000 years of being the plaything of the four Chaos Gods, the soul of Horus manages to escape and returns to the Imperium by following the light of the astronomicon. As an act of repentance, His soul merges with the withered husk of his father, revitalizing the spirit of the Emperor and giving the corpse-god the strength to begin mending his withered corpse. After another millennia, the Emperor is fully reborn, but Gulliman believes it to be a trick of the forces of Chaos and declares was on the forces of the "false" Emperor.
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I was under the impression that the Emperor straight up obliterated Horus' soul so instead of being tortured forever he just doesn't exist, period.
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So does the emperor sit on the throne or is "throne" like metaphysical and he's entombed inside a big golden coffin? All the original artwork looks more like covers for an Iron maiden album than 40k stuff.
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