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https://twitter.com/khara_inc2/status/1153557766457327616?s=19 https://twitter.com/khara_inc2/status/1153564819187892224?s=19 https://twitter.com/khara_inc2/status/1153566393582804993?s=19 https://twitter.com/khara_inc2/status/1153571817283416064?s=19 The mech design for Eva 3.0+1.0 seems to be "we took half of an eva and duct taped some bullshit to it" and I for one love it
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Well Manicured Man posted:The mech design for Eva 3.0+1.0 seems to be "we took half of an eva and duct taped some bullshit to it" and I for one love it Oh man, so much the same. The, "We used some Eva legs, and uh...put guns on them? I dunno, poo poo's busted, and we're running out of parts," is a fantastic bit of WTF.
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Jul 23, 2019 23:00
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It reminds me of Sid's toys from Toy Story.
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Jul 23, 2019 23:02
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The designs of the 44 series make it seem like the angels are actively mocking shinji trying to solve things alone in 3. The drones are wearing his plugsuit and they're all running around with lances. 44Bs are jet alones dancing together while carrying a mystery box and reminding us we don't get those episodes in the movies. Then you got the big team that looks like the evas reaching up together at Sahaquiel. https://twitter.com/ikuto_yamashita/status/1153649117270179840/photo/1 Seems like working together cooperatively is more effective and lets you fire a cool cannon w an eyeball for a sight.
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Jul 23, 2019 23:03
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those are cool robots as much as i love the question of "why do we make giant killing machines in our own image", sometimes robots just gotta look weird
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Jul 23, 2019 23:25
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like whatever those arm pylons used to be attached to got melted ages ago so lets make a crown out of them
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Jul 23, 2019 23:27
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Whatever scientist NERV is keeping in their basement designing these things is just dropping huge amounts of acid
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Jul 24, 2019 00:28
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Charlatan Eschaton posted:The designs of the 44 series make it seem like the angels are actively mocking shinji trying to solve things alone in 3. Holy poo poo good catch on the plug suit thing
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Jul 24, 2019 00:32
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Well Manicured Man posted:The mech design for Eva 3.0+1.0 seems to be "we took half of an eva and duct taped some bullshit to it" and I for one love it that stuff is gonna be really interesting to see in motion, but I'm honestly having a hard time telling what I'm looking at for a couple of those. I like how it seems like they ran out of whole eva bodies and they're just haphazardly cobbling poo poo together from spare parts like with eva 5 back in 2.22 also 44a looks like that fuckin taxidermy cat quadcopter but with sachiel noether fucked around with this message at 00:39 on Jul 24, 2019 |
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Jul 24, 2019 00:34
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Charlatan Eschaton posted:The designs of the 44 series make it seem like the angels are actively mocking shinji trying to solve things alone in 3. i think it's more of a partial-instrumentality thing since it was aborted partway twice now you have all these weird unfinished amalgams
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Jul 24, 2019 00:45
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Tae posted:You're so easily baited by his gimmick, it's sad What's interesting is that there's always a kernel of truth and good analysis even if the rest is against the text itself. For example, the whole idea of the machines not being the people they're made of is the kind of cynicism that you can imagine was part of SEELE's original plan. Manipulating children like Asuka to machines that are made of their mothers but still under SEELE's control seems right up their alley. But this is what makes Yui an even cooler giant angry mom, because she actively rebels against Gendo's orders multiple times and successfully takes over SEELE's plot. She gave up her physical form, her literal body and the most superficial symbol of her womanhood, to transcend to actual godhood and school a bunch of cynical men on how to mastermind properly. She even rejects known sexist and lovely dad Gendo wanting to rejoin her in the afterlife and kills him. Yui is pretty much the single person with the most agency in the entire conspiracy. There's also the whole "Gendo uses his wife's surname" thing too which goes to show how high in the totem pole she really is. Basically I appreciate that the posts make me think of new ways in which I love the show, even if that's only because of what they get wrong.
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Jul 24, 2019 00:46
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GimmickMan posted:What's interesting is that there's always a kernel of truth and good analysis even if the rest is against the text itself. For example, the whole idea of the machines not being the people they're made of is the kind of cynicism that you can imagine was part of SEELE's original plan. Manipulating children like Asuka to machines that are made of their mothers but still under SEELE's control seems right up their alley. being king of the shitters isn't something she should be proud of but she undoubtedly is anyway like she is the root of that cynicism, all of this horseshit comes from her
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Jul 24, 2019 00:50
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Yinlock posted:being king of the shitters isn't something she should be proud of but she undoubtedly is anyway Right? Like, the idea that an eternal proof of man's existence is even necessary belies a fundamental cynicism that humanity is incapable of moving beyond its conflicts and thriving. She sees that the world is in bad shape and she is a brilliant scientific mind and her response, rather than to try to engineer solutions to the world's problems and bring about peace and prosperity, is to transform herself into a golden calf with a RIP HUMANS 6000BC-2014AD plaque on it.
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Jul 24, 2019 01:13
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one thing i will always appreciate about evangelion misato: Shinji kun Rei: Ikari kun Asuka: Baka Shinji Gendo: ...
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Jul 24, 2019 01:34
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Wark Say posted:The only "bad Eva clone" type show that I feel can kinda still stand some of the test of time is RahXephon, which I'm probably rewatching after I'm done rewatching this, because it's also been a while (probably not as long as EVA, though!) Rah isn't bad at all, excuse you.  It's still prolly the best of the obvious Eva rips out there, one of my fave anime period.
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Jul 24, 2019 01:35
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it's interesting that they're all based on unit 04. Seems like they even had a little more accurate coloring at some of the showings  
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Jul 24, 2019 01:43
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i just remembered all the cg animation on the teaser and im getting bummed out
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Jul 24, 2019 01:49
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i've actually been pretty impressed with some of the cg in stuff running this season, i'm willing to see if they can back it up with direction that plays on the strength of cg
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Jul 24, 2019 02:02
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jit bull transpile posted:Right? Like, the idea that an eternal proof of man's existence is even necessary belies a fundamental cynicism that humanity is incapable of moving beyond its conflicts and thriving. a scientific mind whose only degree is in giant robot building. Not much you can fix with that.
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Jul 24, 2019 03:05
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Heavy Sigh posted:a scientific mind whose only degree is in giant robot building. Not much you can fix with that. evangelions aren't really robots so I think there's quite a few things you can fix if you're good enough to grow a giant monster out of a basement alien jit bull transpile posted:Right? Like, the idea that an eternal proof of man's existence is even necessary belies a fundamental cynicism that humanity is incapable of moving beyond its conflicts and thriving. yeah Gendo's plan may have been dumb as hell in retrospect but it was something also that she considers herself a shining final monument of humanity(that she has decided beforehand is doomed to extinction) is some a+ arrogance Yinlock fucked around with this message at 03:22 on Jul 24, 2019 |
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Jul 24, 2019 03:19
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Yinlock posted:evangelions aren't really robots so I think there's quite a few things you can fix if you're good enough to grow a giant monster out of a basement alien Seriously once unit 01 ingests the s2 engine earth is functionally a post scarcity society because they now have free unlimited energy. Just figure out what 01 considers fair compensation for turning a big crank labeled ELECTRICITY for 18 hours a day and a whole bunch of problems are solved overnight.
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Jul 24, 2019 03:25
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Humanity isn't extinct at the end of EoE and Yui is the reason they aren't.
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Jul 24, 2019 03:26
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Also they functionally only kill the angels because the dead sea scrolls say they have to to instrumentality. Who's to say they couldn't have formed a peaceful and fruitful alliance with the angels if they made any attempt to talk to them first?
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Jul 24, 2019 03:27
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Humanity isn't extinct at the end of EoE and Yui is the reason they aren't. This is only pedantically true though. In reality there's only two humans on a really hosed up planet that we see. The point is they did not have to gently caress up the earth as bad as they did to solve the world's problems. That was just pure arrogance on the part of everybody thinking their particular flavor of instrumentality was the only answer.
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Jul 24, 2019 03:28
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jit bull transpile posted:Also they functionally only kill the angels because the dead sea scrolls say they have to to instrumentality. Who's to say they couldn't have formed a peaceful and fruitful alliance with the angels if they made any attempt to talk to them first? they probably could've, at least with some of the less hostile, more talkative ones like leliel and kaworu I think most of the rest were either immediately violent or actively tried to traumatize the pilots as soon as they made contact, though
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Jul 24, 2019 03:30
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jit bull transpile posted:This is only pedantically true though. In reality there's only two humans on a really hosed up planet that we see. The point is they did not have to gently caress up the earth as bad as they did to solve the world's problems. That was just pure arrogance on the part of everybody thinking their particular flavor of instrumentality was the only answer. Everyone with the will to live will be able to return. That's most of the human race, millenial jokes about wanting to die aside. Also, the Dead Sea Scrolls aren't instructions. They're a prophecy.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Humanity isn't extinct at the end of EoE and Yui is the reason they aren't. she's not Rei & Shinji are basically the ones who managed to pull humanity back from the brink, Yui just hosed off to the moon to make a big shrine to herself e: she's probably going to be real mad that humanity will go on without her though which is kind of funny
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Jul 24, 2019 03:32
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Everyone with the will to live will be able to return. That's most of the human race, millenial jokes about wanting to die aside. You're side stepping my point though. Which is that this is still a majorly disruptive and destructive solution to problems that are much more easily solved with the tech they developed to get there. She did not do instrumentality to save humanity. She did it as a monument to her own hubris. This show is riddled with themes of people doing things that they convince themselves are righteous but in reality are quite destructive if the could see past their own egos.
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Jul 24, 2019 03:35
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noether posted:they probably could've, at least with some of the less hostile, more talkative ones like leliel and kaworu See I read most of these as attempting to communicate but not quite having a handle on human physiology and hurting them instead. Like the one that really messes up Asuka stays in space to keep a safe distance and try to talk before the humans can kill it. It just really hosed up its attempt to talk. I can't recollect if we see a single angel actually attack until the humans attack first. Maybe the one on the ocean?
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Jul 24, 2019 03:38
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jit bull transpile posted:Seriously once unit 01 ingests the s2 engine earth is functionally a post scarcity society because they now have free unlimited energy. Just figure out what 01 considers fair compensation for turning a big crank labeled ELECTRICITY for 18 hours a day and a whole bunch of problems are solved overnight. hell just studying the s2 engine itself would do a hell of a lot more than turning the planet into tang jit bull transpile posted:You're side stepping my point though. Which is that this is still a majorly disruptive and destructive solution to problems that are much more easily solved with the tech they developed to get there. She did not do instrumentality to save humanity. She did it as a monument to her own hubris. it's kinda interesting how the people most into instrumentality in-universe are all self-absorbed dickheads
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Jul 24, 2019 03:39
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Yinlock posted:she's not Yui is the one who orchestrated that. Unit-01 refuses to activate with just the Dummy Plug System (despite it being designed precisely to replace the pilot); she, as much as anyone, insists on having Shinji in the cockpit (to Gendo's frustration). Rei, Yui, and a third, Rei-like apparition (presumably Lilith) appear as a trio multiple times during EoE; Yui already knows what Rei is going to do during the Instrumentality process (as she literally explains it to Shinji) and the three finish each other's sentences during her confrontation with Gendo. Fuyutsuki, who repeatedly throughout the series talks about how badly he wants humanity to survive no matter how petty or wicked we may be, is 100% behind Yui's plan, witnesses Instrumentality, and is satisfied that his work is done. She's not mad about humanity surviving. She's the reason they survived; exactly why she needed Shinji as a key element is a mystery but no more so than why the Evangelions need child pilots at all.
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Jul 24, 2019 03:40
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Depending on your interpretation of events there are many degrees of fault possible in Yui's actions for for the events of the series but we have zero reason to think things wouldn't have been worse if she'd left everything up to SEELE. Second Impact is more on them than the Katsuragi Expedition. Third Impact would've still happened and most likely it would've been worse. Like Yui is still a dysfunctional person that treats lives like numbers but this is Evangelion so
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Yui is the one who orchestrated that. But why did she need to do all of this at all instead of focusing her effort on actual real problems. What is supposed to prevent the humans who come back from just having all the same dumb wars and conflicts and poo poo again?
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Jul 24, 2019 03:42
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i dont think the authorial intent about instrumentality being awful is necessarily the final word though. all things considered, a world in which all your flaws are compensated for, where you're basically in permanent bliss (well, as much as "you" exist anymore) sounds kinda great? the opposite at this time is a loving hellworld in every respect and despite anno telling us its STILL worth it idk if i quite believe him
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Yui is the one who orchestrated that. and all this insane suffering and trauma just happens to make her a shining golden god in the process
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jit bull transpile posted:But why did she need to do all of this at all instead of focusing her effort on actual real problems. What is supposed to prevent the humans who come back from just having all the same dumb wars and conflicts and poo poo again? She's not trying to create world peace, although she's broadly optimistic about humanity's capacity to be happy as long as we're not all dead, but what she's actually trying to stop is the seemingly-predestined end of the world via either Unit-01 or Lilith (neither of which are likely to be an issue again after the end of EoE.) Yinlock posted:and all this insane suffering and trauma just happens to make her a shining golden god in the process Wrong. All this suffering and trauma makes her a lonely prisoner aboard an inert giant robot for the rest of eternity, a fate she is resigned to, rationalizing to herself, telling her son not to worry.
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Jul 24, 2019 03:47
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:but what she's actually trying to stop is the seemingly-predestined end of the world you could easily argue it wouldn't have been predestined until she helped bring it about Tuxedo Catfish posted:All this suffering and trauma makes her a lonely prisoner aboard an inert giant robot for the rest of eternity, a fate she is resigned to, rationalizing to herself, telling her son not to worry. being the inert robot was the goal, she wants to be a monument watching over a dead planet because she is a crazy person e: also the reason Rei was rapidly shifting between herself and yui is because shinji just learned the truth about that and it was loving with his head
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Jul 24, 2019 03:51
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Sure, if you ignore everything about the delivery of the lines in question, what she's actually saying, and the people she's saying them to.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Sure, if you ignore everything about the delivery of the lines in question, what she's actually saying, and the people she's saying them to. Sure, if you ignore everything except the words spoken by a monster who happily ruined everything just to be a living extinction goalpost
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Yinlock posted:Sure, if you ignore everything except the words spoken by a monster who happily ruined everything just to be a living extinction goalpost This is circular logic.
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