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TV Zombie posted:The doors are locked from the inside right? So how was Leroux's room locked? I'm assuming Leroux locked it with his key after leaving. I was actually thinking during the room search scene that if they found his key inside, I would be so lost about how he got out. (well, i guess the killer could have always taken the key from Leroux's body and then locked his room after the fact, then planted it in the room after they broke the window...?) This still leaves questions though, since it all but confirms Leroux left his room with premeditation and it wasn't just a bathroom trip. TV Zombie posted:Can we check on the bodies to make sure that they are all dead? Well if they aren't then Poe has to be the culprit, right? As far as the text is concerned, Orczy was described as "no longer moving nor feeling any shame", Carr was described as "drawing his last breath" and Agatha was described as "lacking all of the movements indicative of life" all of which can arguably be interpreted as the person being alive with some twists of logic. Leroux however is iirc the only one explicitly described as a "corpse" rather than "body" or some such. I guess that makes sense since he's also the only body with an obvious fatal wound.
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# ? May 26, 2019 06:04 |
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I'm just anxious and kinda want confirmation as a reader that the dead are dead and that it's either someone alive or an outsider doing the killing.
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# ? May 26, 2019 06:11 |
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TV Zombie posted:I'm just anxious and kinda want confirmation as a reader that the dead are dead and that it's either someone alive or an outsider doing the killing. I definitely feel that. And it's exacerbated by the fact that characters in the novel have brought up the trick where a "dead" person was the culprit. I've got to trust Poe on this though, like... even if he is the culprit he couldn't just lie (with the exception of Orczy) that someone is dead when someone else could just go up and feel a pulse/warmth for themselves. The way I see it, the only "corpse" that could possibly be alive is Orczy's.
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# ? May 26, 2019 07:27 |
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Super short update because I've been slacking.quote:4 We're just tidying up after the chaos of the last couple sections. Next update will be more substantial.
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# ? Jun 5, 2019 06:07 |
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I'm thinking it's Ellery or Van. Nakamura Seiji HAS to be a red herring
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# ? Jun 5, 2019 06:48 |
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Ellery stating that Agatha was in her death makeup at the time of her death...is curious since we know that's not the case. Also, Ellery calling Agatha Snow White feels uncomfortable. Why are none of the remaining people mentioning Poe's fishing line tripping up Ellery in the hole near Blue Mansion? Because it raises questions as to whether the Killer searching through everyone's luggage to use? Why doesn't everyone else search through their stuff to notice if things are missing? I wonder if Leroux found evidence or noticed the killer which is why he is headed back to Decagon House. Since there were no footprints near Leroux when he is found, maybe he was pummeled for a bit and then Leroux crawled towards Decagon before succumbing to his injuries. Ellery is also near the crime scene and he definitely could have muddled the crime scene to obscure any footprints in the mud near Leroux's body. I wonder why they don't search for Leroux's murder weapon though they didn't search for Carr's murder weapon either which is strange (I don't remember how the others died but I'm sure they haven't until Agatha with the poison lipstick). You're a mystery club! Why not search for this poo poo, just for your own peace of mind? Agatha's thoughts before death don't seem to suggest suicide as the survivors suggest. Also, who would bring poisoned lipstick for oneself on a trip? Leroux's and Agatha's deaths really have me curious about when they occurred. We don't know about the nameplates for the other victim (Agatha) but I'm feeling like it's being used as a distraction so that the members focus on that...while the murderer carries out their scheme which would point to Ellery since he dabble in magic.
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# ? Jun 5, 2019 07:52 |
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-Well, it's safe to assume Agatha finished putting on her makeup before dying. In her body discovery scene the narration said something to the effect of "the makeup made her look still alive". -Poe left his fishing gear in the entrance hall, so literally anyone could have taken it. -Carr died from poison and Orczy from strangulation with a cord that was still around her neck, so their murder weapons aren't an issue. And I guess they just assumed Leroux was beaten with a random piece of rubble from Blue Mansion. -Ellery suggesting that Agatha's death was a suicide is weird but it might just be him being poetic? -I'm also suspicious of the signs, my first thought being that they would obscure the order of the deaths. But Poe's estimations seem to corroborate the signs wrt Agatha and Leroux, so idk. They seem like an unnecessary risk for the killer to take. Since they're obviously the one putting them up, it's just more ways to find them.
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# ? Jun 5, 2019 08:19 |
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But like, we haven't found the poison that killed Carr nor do we know how the murderer administered the poison.
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# ? Jun 5, 2019 14:08 |
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I think the wording for them describing Agatha’s death is mostly poetic in that she applied her own murder weapon and not necessarily that she committed suicide.
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# ? Jun 5, 2019 16:48 |
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(in the next update, essentially the "class trial" starts. )
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# ? Jun 6, 2019 11:09 |
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I have very little idea who could have done it, honestly.
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# ? Jun 6, 2019 11:13 |
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I am doubling down on Ellery being the culprit based on nothing but my feelings towards him. I wonder what the people on the mainland are doing.
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# ? Jun 6, 2019 20:36 |
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My hope for the characters on the mainland (and I have no clue) is that between now and the solution, they actually come to the island, meet up with the survivors, and then continue solving all the mysteries with everyone there.
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# ? Jun 12, 2019 04:17 |
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Very sorry for the delay!quote:5 Mr. Steak fucked around with this message at 20:03 on Jun 18, 2019 |
# ? Jun 18, 2019 15:57 |
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What the heck. Now everyone has to make sure that everything only has ten sides.
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# ? Jun 18, 2019 19:07 |
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I wonder if that cup was with the house all along or if the killer prepared it and brought it with them. If the latter, how did they know what the originals looked like? Maybe I need to reread from the beginning to see if I'm forgetting anything important.
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# ? Jun 19, 2019 03:19 |
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If the cup was brought by the killer, then they would have had to have visited the island before, and made plans for how they wanted to execute the killings. The killer visiting previously made explain the basement door found in the blue mansion with the floor looking clean/recently swept. If the cup was already there, then that cup....is a coincidence?
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# ? Jun 19, 2019 05:15 |
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I'm trying to remember if poison or a person being drugged figured into the prior murders, which is part of why I need to reread. Coincidences can't exist in mystery books
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# ? Jun 19, 2019 05:32 |
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Prior murders like when Seiji Nakamura's time? Carr was poisoned from drinking a cup of coffee and Agatha was poisoned by poison on her lipstick, from what I remember.
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# ? Jun 19, 2019 05:36 |
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Yeah, the Nakamura ones.
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# ? Jun 19, 2019 05:47 |
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The wife and the servants were apparently drugged with something strong enough to last a couple of days,if I recall correctly. Servants were killed first and then wife had hand chopped off days apart.
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# ? Jun 19, 2019 05:53 |
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Mr. Steak posted:"This cup isn't ten-sided at all. It is... eleven-sided." That really merits an exclamation point, don't you think? I can almost hear the musical sting. *DUM DUN DUUUUUUN!* I like that they're going through now and shooting down some of our theories. I have no idea how this is gonna shake out now.
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# ? Jun 19, 2019 10:23 |
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quote:6 I know I haven't been giving a lot of my comments lately. My main one here is, wow there was a lot of poo poo dragged up about Poe and Van! Between the two of them I like Van's potential motive more. It also fits the whole thing in the prologue where the culprit (im assuming?) has been biding his time for a while just to get revenge...
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# ? Jun 19, 2019 16:13 |
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quote:7 * quote:Once they'd changed out of their wet clothes, the three quickly reconvened around the table in the hall. Fig.3 "Sketch of Scene" (This is self-explanatory so I'm not gonna edit the text.)
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# ? Jun 24, 2019 10:03 |
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Just found and finished the first page of the thread! Not gonna read any comments yet but wanted to thank you for the effort! Will read regularly and comment once I’m caught up. Edit: Love shimada a weird amount Is Morisu a boy or girls name? Or unisex? Edit edit: Nevermind on morisu - next chapter has that info. Thought morisu was one of the people on the island and wanted to guess. Fritzler fucked around with this message at 06:47 on Jun 30, 2019 |
# ? Jun 30, 2019 06:20 |
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OK caught up. Two things of note to me: 1. The New Years party - obviously important but I'm interested at the timeline. At some point this night Van said his uncle bought these islands, a light plan was made to visit and also this night Chiori died. What order? Did one lead to the other? It is kind of wild that the main characters have not really acknowledged the party more. I'd still be thinking about it a bunch a few months later. Orczy dying first makes sense if she is the only one (other than the killer) knowing Chiori's connection to this place. 2. I am wondering if the there are secret tunnels in the Decagon house. Obviously they were kind of hinted. I wonder how they would work in such a symmetrical house. With everyone's rooms being identical I feel like if any room had a secret tunnel, then every room would have to have a tunnel. Whether that goes straight across or somewhere else I don't know. Early on I thought it would be important to match club names to real names. I don't think that's true anymore.
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# ? Jun 30, 2019 18:45 |
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Ellery seems to have already solved the mystery or is the murderer based on his attitude towards getting some food in light of everything that's happened. ...Are updates coming soon?
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# ? Jul 3, 2019 19:25 |
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TV Zombie posted:Ellery seems to have already solved the mystery or is the murderer based on his attitude towards getting some food in light of everything that's happened. yes, please forgive the delay! ive been unproductive this week across the board. i'm not reading ahead and i'm just as invested in the mystery as you, so you don't have to worry about me losing interest in this thread. about ellery, i think he's already concluded that the killer is a 3rd party (nakamura seiji) and keeping it to himself out of spite because of how Poe dismissed the theory. so he's being all "welp, it looks like it was impossible for any of us to do it. i guess theres no other possibilities..." probably after this footprints thing he's gonna bring up the seiji=culprit thing again.
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# ? Jul 3, 2019 19:43 |
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Mr. Steak posted:about ellery, i think he's already concluded that the killer is a 3rd party (nakamura seiji) and keeping it to himself out of spite because of how Poe dismissed the theory. so he's being all "welp, it looks like it was impossible for any of us to do it. i guess theres no other possibilities..." probably after this footprints thing he's gonna bring up the seiji=culprit thing again.
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# ? Aug 12, 2019 19:53 |
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Ah yes, this thread is still a thing. Back when I stopped updating there was a lot of life stuff getting in the way of everything, but now I'm back on top of... pretty much everything except finishing this novel. Don't worry though, I'll most likely do it within the next couple days.
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# ? Aug 12, 2019 19:57 |
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Mr. Steak posted:Ah yes, this thread is still a thing. Back when I stopped updating there was a lot of life stuff getting in the way of everything, but now I'm back on top of... pretty much everything except finishing this novel. Don't worry though, I'll most likely do it within the next couple days. That's good because I ended up going and getting the book in the meantime, though I'm eager to watch the discussion.
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# ? Aug 12, 2019 20:01 |
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Kchama posted:That's good because I ended up going and getting the book in the meantime, though I'm eager to watch the discussion. Oh cool. I'm glad I was able to introduce the characters and stuff properly cuz the official translation doesn't bother haha. I'm sure if it got one thing fine it's the description of the solution, so I can rest easy about that.
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# ? Aug 12, 2019 20:06 |
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Mr. Steak posted:Ah yes, this thread is still a thing. Back when I stopped updating there was a lot of life stuff getting in the way of everything, but now I'm back on top of... pretty much everything except finishing this novel. Don't worry though, I'll most likely do it within the next couple days. Kind of meta but I wonder if this will have a similar solution to And Then There Were None where one of the characters we thought was dead is alive and actually the killer. You have seemed to be leaning that way if I remember correctly.
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# ? Aug 12, 2019 20:12 |
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Mr. Steak posted:Oh cool. I'm glad I was able to introduce the characters and stuff properly cuz the official translation doesn't bother haha. I'm sure if it got one thing fine it's the description of the solution, so I can rest easy about that. Yeah I'm absolutely waiting to see your translation of the rest. You aren't wrong, I really understood more thanks to you.
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# ? Aug 12, 2019 20:16 |
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I'm glad things improved enough for you to finish this!
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# ? Aug 12, 2019 23:43 |
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ok i will update this tomorrow on my day off or e: ok frick, i didnt finish it. it's the first thing on my agenda after work though Mr. Steak fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Aug 17, 2019 |
# ? Aug 16, 2019 02:41 |
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Hey! Sorry for the super long hiatus! From now until the end of the novel (which is pretty soon) I'll be updating similarly to how I was before.quote:8
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# ? Aug 18, 2019 22:40 |
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Assuming death by poisoned cigarette, Van is the obvious choice since he had the case last.
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# ? Aug 19, 2019 04:08 |
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Oh man, it's been so long that I've forgotten everything about who got killed and such. For the poisoned cigarette, everyone is smoking.I think that Poe just became a victim by chance by the killer...which would mean Ellery would be the Killer. Why did Leroux go outside the house in the first place? What was he running from?That's bouncing around my brain. I wish that they had, as a group, walked in the direction of where Leroux was running from, to see what might have caused him to run. For the killer to be someone outside of the group, they would have to know when this group was going to head to the island...which would suggest that someone in the group is helping the killer...right? I seem to remember that there was a pair of people scanning the island and looking at Cat Island and floated a theory that the past killer could have been hiding out there but that was quickly denounced as ridiculous. Are either people in that conversation still alive in that passage? Ellery's obsession with Seiji is ridiculous. His suggestion that Seiji killed someone, brought them to the island to be used as his body double is crazy and it still leaves the detail about where the missing gardener is, untouched. I feel like Ellery is trying to cause misdirection(which is what magicians do) with continually posing the idea of an outside killer. Could Poe have faked his "death"...he's the only one with medical training left right? Does one of the adults from the prior murders have children?
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# ? Aug 19, 2019 04:48 |
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# ? Jun 6, 2024 05:39 |
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im so sorry i didnt keep my promise to update regularly! however that will end today. as soon as i get back from dinner i'm translating the rest of chapter 9, and then there are only like 60 pages left in the novel so i'll make sure i finish within the week. sorry again! e: im not reading ahead, so im still just as anxious as y'all to see the ending! ive just been working on other stuff and the time flew by Mr. Steak fucked around with this message at 23:03 on Sep 22, 2019 |
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