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Who cares if he's a journalist. He can be both a journalist and a fascist, but that shouldn't buy him any special treatment. He should be treated the same as all other fascists. Arguing about whether or not he's a journalist is a red herring.
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There were stories coming out of Charlottsville of peaceful protestors getting attacked by right wing 3% chuds, and Antifa fighting them off to help people, and yet the popular narrative remains that Antifa are the bad guys. Punch all Nazis. Ngo included.
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Aug 31, 2019 03:40
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zapplez posted:from Vietnam. Do people really think he's from Vietnam?
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Aug 31, 2019 03:44
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Munin posted:In part precisely because of the stupid bothsideism that it leads to. Spoilers, they do that whether or not violence is used against fascists. Remember that Op-Ed a few weeks ago about how "Making fun of op-ed writers is like the French Revolution" and Brett "Calling me a bug is like the holocaust" Stephens just today
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Aug 31, 2019 03:59
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Andy Ngo should shut up about his brain injury before his insurance company Pre-existing-conditions him for life on all his future claims since he already had a well established and very unspecific brain injury.
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Aug 31, 2019 04:09
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420 Gank Mid posted:Spoilers, they do that whether or not violence is used against fascists. poo poo, it wasn't that long ago that crazy conservative radicals OCCUPIED A FEDERAL REFUGE AT GUNPOINT, and it was met with a mix of faint boredom by the mainstream media and weepy admiration by conservative sources. And then they were just acquitted by a jury and that was that.
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ErIog posted:Who cares if he's a journalist. Being labeled a journalist gives the impression you are somewhat impartial. That he is someone there to document events. He's neither of those things. He's the public relations arm of fascists in this country.
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Aug 31, 2019 05:23
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Van Kraken posted:His entire MO is to film fascists attacking people and then cut the videos so they look like the victims, when he isn't just making things up entirely. Thats a good thread and obviously shows some stories about Ngo being a poo poo disturber. The problem with antifa punching him in the head for the crime of showing up at a protest is that they made him even more famous and will drive even more moderates or right wing people to follow him now. They didnt take him out, they made him more famous.
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Aug 31, 2019 05:23
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420 Gank Mid posted:Spoilers, they do that whether or not violence is used against fascists. Yeah, but it to call them stupid and disingenuous if they don't have a veneer of substance to hang it on. Shoplifting because "everyone always ends up calling me a shoplifter anyway" is pretty galaxy brain.
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Aug 31, 2019 05:33
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zapplez posted:Thats a good thread and obviously shows some stories about Ngo being a poo poo disturber. The problem with antifa punching him in the head for the crime of showing up at a protest is that they made him even more famous and will drive even more moderates or right wing people to follow him now. They didnt take him out, they made him more famous. Punching Andy Ngo is a good, good thing. If moderates and centrists and other nazi sympathizers were convinced by his bullshit, they didn't need much convincing.
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Aug 31, 2019 05:39
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zapplez posted:Thats a good thread and obviously shows some stories about Ngo being a poo poo disturber. The problem with antifa punching him in the head for the crime of showing up at a protest is that they made him even more famous and will drive even more moderates or right wing people to follow him now. They didnt take him out, they made him more famous. I don't think that mattered. His entire career has centered around playing the victim and idiots on the right eat it up. If it wasn't this, it would be something else. Seriously, he's been doing this poo poo for awhile now. Guy wrote a racist opinion piece for the Wall Street Journal last year. Got kicked off his college paper for editing a video to make a Muslim student seem like he was advocating death for non-Muslims. Every time he would do something racist and get called on it, he'd make the rounds of all the right-wing media outlets playing the victim. He's a grifter plain and simple and they'll always find ways to get attention.
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Aug 31, 2019 05:39
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Also if you join a bunch of violent fascists who plan to get in fights, sometimes you're going to get punched.
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Aug 31, 2019 05:44
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zapplez posted:Thats a good thread and obviously shows some stories about Ngo being a poo poo disturber. The problem with antifa punching him in the head for the crime of showing up at a protest is that they made him even more famous and will drive even more moderates or right wing people to follow him now. They didnt take him out, they made him more famous. Clearly submission to the fascist system is the only way to fight fascism.
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Aug 31, 2019 05:50
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zapplez posted:Yes, Goebbels is a non-crazy comparison for a self-described journalist from Vietnam. Andy Ngo was born in the US you ignorant casually racist Canadian dipshit. I lol at you reporting people for owning you for being an idiot and invite you to stop spouting your garbage centrist opinions if you don’t want to be owned. Otherwise, deal with the fact that people will call you a turd when you’re a turd.
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Aug 31, 2019 07:08
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zapplez posted:Thats a good thread and obviously shows some stories about Ngo being a poo poo disturber. The problem with antifa punching him in the head for the crime of showing up at a protest is that they made him even more famous and will drive even more moderates or right wing people to follow him now. They didnt take him out, they made him more famous. You win some, you lose some. Short term Ngo got money and more fame, but with the fame came actual scrutiny and now he's lost his job because he was caught on videotape conspiring with fascist thugs. Ultimately, these people aren't very smart and tend to self-destruct, but in the meantime we oppose them by any means necessary.
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Aug 31, 2019 08:40
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Lightning Knight posted:Andy Ngo was born in the US you ignorant casually racist Canadian dipshit. I lol at you reporting people for owning you for being an idiot and invite you to stop spouting your garbage centrist opinions if you don’t want to be owned. Otherwise, deal with the fact that people will call you a turd when you’re a turd. FIRST THEY CAME FOR THE TURDS, AND I DID NOT SPEAK OUT...
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Aug 31, 2019 08:47
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how come the media doesn't point out ngo's accent is fake?
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It's weird. People are always assuming he's an immigrant because of it, I suppose that makes him more sympathetic.
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zapplez posted:Thats a good thread and obviously shows some stories about Ngo being a poo poo disturber. The problem with antifa punching him in the head for the crime of showing up at a protest is that they made him even more famous and will drive even more moderates or right wing people to follow him now. They didnt take him out, they made him more famous. Literally arguing that resisting fascism only makes the fascists stronger. Meanwhile street violence is the only proven way of resisting fascism. I realize moron cowards with no skin in the game struggle coming to grips with basics facts about human evil; but the only way to stop a fascist is to make them believe that they will be physically harmed for speaking their beliefs in public. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiZFyYkcnf4
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Aug 31, 2019 11:07
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Prester Jane posted:Meanwhile street violence is the only proven way of resisting fascism. I’m not actually sure about that, at least in the long term. Actively resisting the far right in the streets is good, but in Nazi Germany it didn’t work. The only proven way of resisting fascism was overwhelming military force by the largest coalition of nations in human history.
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Aug 31, 2019 11:46
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Niwrad posted:Also if you join a bunch of violent fascists who plan to get in fights, sometimes you're going to get punched. Assuming hanging around with those people ~so that he will get punched~ wasn't his goal all along.
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Lightning Knight posted:I’m not actually sure about that, at least in the long term. Actively resisting the far right in the streets is good, but in Nazi Germany it didn’t work. my second Snopes link of the fiscal day! It's not enough to merely "actively resist" being the takeaway.
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Aug 31, 2019 14:32
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What fantasy novel did this come from? Edit: obvious answer is the Norman Spinrad.
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Aug 31, 2019 14:36
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Munin posted:Yeah, but it to call them stupid and disingenuous if they don't have a veneer of substance to hang it on. historically the same people will believe it regardless of how ill-founded the claims are, look how quickly the mainstream press rallied around fascist provocateur Andy Ngo and how quickly credulous rubes ate it all up.
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Aug 31, 2019 14:40
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The original Nazis complained about their controversial speakers (i.e. Nazis) being deplatformed.
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420 Gank Mid posted:historically the same people will believe it regardless of how ill-founded the claims are, look how quickly the mainstream press rallied around fascist provocateur Andy Ngo and how quickly credulous rubes ate it all up. They're pretty desperate for a horse-race narrative right now.
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Ague Proof posted:The original Nazis complained about their controversial speakers (i.e. Nazis) being deplatformed.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joVLPWGiHUY
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What i'm saying is that time is 4 balls on the edge of a cliff...
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FFT posted:my second Snopes link of the fiscal day! I'll admit that I think there is some merit to what he said when you read the full quote, but at the same time, I've never understood why people just take that poo poo at face value, either.
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420 Gank Mid posted:What i'm saying is that time is 4 balls on the edge of a cliff... 5, but 4 of them are very small.
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Prester Jane posted:Literally arguing that resisting fascism only makes the fascists stronger. loving hell, not actively playing into their hands by giving them a brawl when they want one is not the best way to resist fascism. Also, I would dispute the success of previous historical examples, say one of the key inspiration of the current branding: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion Part of the issue is that there are more variously privileged angry white men able to street brawl than there are of us able to street brawl. They can more easily make a play on numbers here, we can better do so in other fields. Frankly, I would be worried if the strength of the antifa movement was in its capacity for brutality and vicious violence. All this doesn't mean we should give up the streets. We should also be there to counterprotest, ridicule them, stand in there way, and shield the more vulnerable member of our coalition. It's just that they come for a brawl, we give them a brawl and somehow that isn't straight playing into their hands. 420 Gank Mid posted:historically the same people will believe it regardless of how ill-founded the claims are, look how quickly the mainstream press rallied around fascist provocateur Andy Ngo and how quickly credulous rubes ate it all up. Yeah, historically a set of people will believe any poo poo that is put in front of them. They aren't the ones we should be worried about. The ones we should be worried about are the ones adjacent to them who are somewhat favorable and can tell that the propagandists are having to stretch their material more and more. Munin fucked around with this message at 18:02 on Aug 31, 2019 |
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Fascists come looking for a brawl -> no antifa show up to the brawl -> fascists seek minorities and attack them -> media falls all over themselves to claim the minorities were the aggressors So same as if antifa showed up but the fascists also feel powerful because they didn't get punched
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Aug 31, 2019 18:04
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Zanzibar Ham posted:In the context of him joining in the activities of violent right-wing groups as they commit their violence yes, gently caress'em. It's self defense. Agreed. Violence against fascists is always self defense.
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Zanzibar Ham posted:Fascists come looking for a brawl -> no antifa show up to the brawl -> fascists seek minorities and attack them -> media falls all over themselves to claim the minorities were the aggressors Who cares about how the loving fascists feel. And yeah, always be present when the fash shows up. Document fash shittery. Make sure people are as safe as they can be. Defend people. Don't go out there with the simple aim of bashing the fash. Also, unfortunately the fash have plenty of soft targets out there if they want to increase morale after a beating. Even aside from the fact that the fashbash brawls will be win some lose some.
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You do understand that 'bashing the fash' is done with the aim of making sure people are as safe as they can be, defending people?
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Zanzibar Ham posted:You do understand that 'bashing the fash' is done with the aim of making sure people are as safe as they can be, defending people? If that was true we wouldn't have just had a big argument over whether attacking fascist-alligned journalists was acceptable and also people trying to outline increasingly convoluted reasons for why Ngo didn't count.
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Or maybe that argument doesn't have to do with the aims of bashing the fash. Especially when the argument is between us who aren't the ones out there.
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"This dude coordinates with fascist nazis and edits footage to make them appear sympathetic" "this is all so convoluted!"
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