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Aeolius posted:A fair riposte! ingoonitably goonsire  Lightning Knight posted:this makes sense and I agree with it but also seems impossible and against the grain of all of established human history. How can we do this if most people won’t cooperate with it? gulag
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:ingoonitably goonsire I support prison abolition and oppose the death penalty so I guess I am useless and will be first against the wall.
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Getting a critical mass of humanity to buy into the idea that our existential purpose is to steward life is a political project in itself, and at some point you would have to use some force to overcome the contradiction. Like how do you resolve the differences between people who want to use a section of land to seed a rainforest or to use as a parking lot? Somebody has to win in the end.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Getting a critical mass of humanity to buy into the idea that our existential purpose is to steward life is a political project in itself, and at some point you would have to use some force to overcome the contradiction. Like how do you resolve the differences between people who want to use a section of land to seed a rainforest or to use as a parking lot? Somebody has to win in the end. I don’t know. But also there are degrees of force. I acknowledge that my position is seemingly morally superior (to me) and yet your point is a compelling one, it’s why I keep reading this thread even though I have some objections to the conclusions of its regular participants.
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Aug 22, 2019 20:38
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typical american chauvinism 
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Lightning Knight posted:I don’t know. But also there are degrees of force. Of course those disputes would have to be resolved democratically, but still when some people are violating the law to destroy protected habitats for their own gain you're going to need something more than a slap on the wrist and a stern talking to. It's impossible to prefigure these kinds of social and political conflicts anyway. It's a far future problem when the immediate concern is wresting control of political economy. Although, having a far future ideology like stewardism may also help promote communism in the here and now, because there's a whole spectrum of future developments which won't be possible under capitalism.
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Restructuring society in a way that obviates a hundred and fifty years of toxic discursive liberalism and material capitalism will necessarily require violence. however, the whole point of that restructuring is that afterwards, conflicts will theoretically exist outside our current parameters and understandings of the use of force, and thus violent state repression of opposing ideologies will be an irrelevant concept, despite it having been necessary to establish a context where it could become irrelevant that’s the dialectic, baby
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Aug 22, 2019 21:01
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Lightning Knight posted:Things like this make me genuinely question what the point is, and what good human preservation actually does for the world if any. a core tenant of marxism as I see it is never accepting 'good enough' as an answer. its about changing and evolving and always moving forward. giving up and letting ourselves die in a mass extinction of the bourgeoisie's creation is antithetical to that outlook
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Aug 22, 2019 23:24
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Lightning Knight posted:I support prison abolition and oppose the death penalty so I guess I am useless and will be first against the wall. also, gulags arent the same as like, San Quentin. we can talk all day about whether Soviet gulags worked or not but im under the impression that the concept was less outright vengeance like the American justice system largely is and more about reeducation through labor. so the idea isnt to lock people up forever but force them to be a member of the working class and hopefully change their attitude from individualistic to something more collectively minded
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quote:A new monument in Chicago celebrates US-born Lithuanian Nazi collaborator Adolfas Ramanauskas “Vanagas,” who led a fascist militia that massacred Jews in the Holocaust. EU and NATO member Lithuania heroizes him for fighting the USSR.
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can anyone recommend a book about the years of lead
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https://twitter.com/SaltyStalinist/status/1165206368745218048?s=20
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https://twitter.com/mikehesselmial/status/1165413113237319680
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i liked reading this article about imperialism: https://monthlyreview.org/2019/07/01/late-imperialism/ quote:With the rise of monopoly-finance capital, the world has entered a new phase of imperialism, late imperialism, rather than a superseding of imperial relations. Late imperialism, as we have seen, represents an epoch in which the global contradictions of the system are revealed in ever starker forms and in which the entire planet as a place of human habitation is now at risk—with the catastrophic effects falling disproportionately on the most vulnerable of the world population. All of this is bound to generate greater geopolitical conflict as capitalism’s failure as a society becomes evident. Finicums Wake fucked around with this message at 15:16 on Aug 29, 2019 |
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The most bizarre part is how the guy is trying to defend places like North Korea and Venezuela for not 'fulfilling a utopian wetdream of what socialism is supposed to look like' or something. And I'm just thinking "Dude, Norway and Sweden are far closer to socialism than Venezuela and North korea; in fact Venezuela and North Korea actively harm the cause by saying they are socialist but then enabling all the worst fears of its critics through their many despicable actions while tankies eagerly embrace them and trumpet their 'socialism' to the world."
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R. Guyovich posted:The most bizarre part is how the guy is trying to defend places like North Korea and Venezuela for not 'fulfilling a utopian wetdream of what socialism is supposed to look like' or something. Lmao
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Olof Palme would probably qualify as a deranged tankie moonbat by the standards of that extremely cursed thread
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Aug 31, 2019 23:10
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Which thread is that?
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My very first guest, PYF tankies, was correct
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StashAugustine posted:Which thread is that? https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3788502 praxis is posting right-wing authoritarians in this thread
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R. Guyovich posted:The most bizarre part is how the guy is trying to defend places like North Korea and Venezuela for not 'fulfilling a utopian wetdream of what socialism is supposed to look like' or something. Those worst fears being non-white people with political power
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R. Guyovich posted:The most bizarre part is how the guy is trying to defend places like North Korea and Venezuela for not 'fulfilling a utopian wetdream of what socialism is supposed to look like' or something. I will admit, I fell for it at first and was going to post like “bwuhhhhh”
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i wish to subscribe to this hoi4 mod
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R. Guyovich posted:The most bizarre part is how the guy is trying to defend places like North Korea and Venezuela for not 'fulfilling a utopian wetdream of what socialism is supposed to look like' or something.
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dude, wheres my socialism
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3788502 That thread is insanely cursed, and not just because Hamprince & Vincent Van Goatse post in it.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:That thread is insanely cursed, and not just because Hamprince & Vincent Van Goatse post in it. norm macdonald voice: all the stars are here!
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3788502 What a gross fuckin thread
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Doctor Jeep posted:norm macdonald voice: all the stars are here! 9/11
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"the more I hear about this hamprince guy the less I like him!"
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3788502 its a miracle that people arent just quoting cspam posters they dont like in that thread
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RIP Immanuel Wallerstein
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Poniard posted:its a miracle that people arent just quoting cspam posters they dont like in that thread don't give them ideas
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3788502 Do a big post on how Pol Pot was propped up by the US
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Stalin is a land of contrasts
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