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Jerry Cotton posted:Nah as in nah it doesn't kill the miners? Apparently not in the modern Canadian mines. It was a big deal to get those last two mines closed down. Nobody was worried about mesothelioma, they were worried that it was unethical to sell to third world countries with lower safety standards.
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Huge shocking plot twist: they lied and it will kill the miners.
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Jerry Cotton posted:Huge shocking plot twist: they lied and it will kill the miners. RIP 
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Dirt Road Junglist posted:It's not that the shingles are dangerous, it's that mining the material to makes them kills the miners. its definitely a horrendous industry for the workers, but i don't think anybody in living memory fitting the descriptor of "captain of industry" has knowingly and of their own volition shuttered a factory or industrial site specifically because of the damage done to workers' health. the horrendous toll asbestos mining took on miners working without asbestos-suited PPE was well-known for many decades prior to legislation being tabled to protect ~~~consumers~~~ from its impacts. seriously, the british government commissioned a national investigation into workplace safety and identified asbestos as one of the chief injurious substances in the 1890s, and medical reports on the hideous pulmonary damage it does were published prior to that. informal recognition amongst miners of the dangers of asbestos are likely far older than that, as asbestos has been deliberately mined and made into fireproof products for almost 1000 years, albeit not on an industrial scale so yes, the asbestos industry killed a shitload of workers for essentially the entire time it existed, but industry has overwhelming leverage over its workforce and falls back on "if you don't like it, get another job" unless collective bargaining or labour laws protecting workers forces their hand. nobody who could have taken action lifted a finger no matter the body-count until it was clearly hurting the general public, their customers, where the leverage dynamic is ostensibly reversed. workers not destroying their bodies mining asbestos is a happy side-effect of the industry's decline, definitely not the primary driver (or even a particularly major one, imo, although we like ot think otherwise) of that decline Ambrose Burnside fucked around with this message at 02:17 on Sep 25, 2019 |
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Ambrose Burnside posted:its definitely a horrendous industry for the workers, but i don't think anybody in living memory fitting the descriptor of "captain of industry" has knowingly and of their own volition shuttered a factory or industrial site specifically because of the damage done to workers' health. the horrendous toll asbestos mining took on miners working without asbestos-suited PPE was well-known for many decades prior to legislation being tabled to protect ~~~consumers~~~ from its impacts. seriously, the british government commissioned a national investigation into workplace safety and identified asbestos as one of the chief injurious substances in the 1890s, and medical reports on the hideous pulmonary damage it does were published prior to that. informal recognition amongst miners of the dangers of asbestos are likely far older than that, as asbestos has been deliberately mined and made into fireproof products for almost 1000 years, albeit not on an industrial scale I know. My dad worked in the mines in Libby, and large swathes of my family are part of the class action lawsuit(s).
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Super Soaker Party! posted:But I don't understand why you wouldn't get the longest lasting material possible for your drat roof. Unless you live in Florida and expect to be replacing it every year anyway. Basically, Ambrose Burnside posted:capitalism creates perverse incentives that are frequently not in the end-user's best interests If I spend double to get a metal roof, I do not add double the value to my house's sale price. This means that if I am going to sell my house in the next 30 years, spending extra on a metal roof just costs me extra money for no benefit. This is because the buyers of houses do not pay the seller a price that goes up directly proportional to what they spent on upgrades, even though in theory they will benefit by those upgrades and so ought to value them higher. Part of the reason for that is because of the real estate cartel, part is because the catch-22 loop of appraisal (which is almost entirely about comps, and if you do something to your house that isn't also done by the comps, an appraiser can't really find a market reason to increase their value) which in turn means a buyer that is financing the purchase will find your appraisal comes in low and the bank denies them the loan. Part is because in a seller's market like we have around here, buyers are desperate for anything so home prices are already inflated - essentially the inflated value comes first and foremost from the fact that it's a house in which humans can live, and "how good are the upgrades and materials in this house" are such a distantly third-consideration thing that they just cannot have a significant affect on the pricing. (The "second" thing is location, poo poo like school district and neighborhood safety and commute access.) So, yeah, the capitalism, and especially the perverted brand of capitalism that is the california housing market, in which the supposedly amelioratory power of the state to regulate the market has been bent over the opposite way to actually make all the relevant problems of capitalism even worse rather than tone them down. I don't intend to spend my retirement in this house, so putting a bunch of money into a metal roof is just giving a free gift to the next owner out of my own pocket, and gently caress that guy, I'd rather keep my money.
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My family's house has clay tiles that are 40 years old without any work needed, they still look great. But I think those things are heavy as hell so you can't just decide to toss them on your shingled roof.
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Dirt Road Junglist posted:I know. My dad worked in the mines in Libby, and large swathes of my family are part of the class action lawsuit(s). welp, srry, you know what's up then; my grandpa still gets silicosis + whitefinger comp cheques, and he mined for silver, not "Mining: Basically Digging Up Poison edition" can't let a perceived claim of mining companies being benevolent actors go unchallenged Ambrose Burnside fucked around with this message at 04:05 on Sep 25, 2019 |
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Please do not let harlequin kitchens become a trend. Also, what the heck is that ceiling?
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Youth Decay posted:Please do not let harlequin kitchens become a trend. I just noticed the colors of the cabinets.  While the color of the cabinets suck, if they got rid of that industrial-style ceiling the kitchen will come together a lot more nicely. Space Kablooey fucked around with this message at 05:14 on Sep 25, 2019 |
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Ambrose Burnside posted:metal roofs are incredibly fuckin loud when it rains, like shockingly loud in my experience, has anybody solved that yet (to be fair i assume an attic as a sound-damping buffer would help a lot) It's shockingly loud when it's just a metal roof. Like until you get used to it you think there is a driving rainstorm when it's just sprinkling a bit. A metal roof with double bubble under it, attached to the purlins with R-30C insulation under those and then sheetrock in a cathedral ceiling isn't loud at all (that's how I built the office extension off off the pole barn at my old house).
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HardDiskD posted:
Cabinets, countertops, hardware, appliances, they even did mismatched covers on the wall outlets.
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the covers arent even a problem because it takes 1 dollar to replace them, it's the fact that they are inconsistently aligned and at different heights.
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Youth Decay posted:Please do not let harlequin kitchens become a trend.   
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Someone design me a Cabinet of DR. Calligari house, I find my way much too easily.
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I have to admire someone who knows what they like and just goes for it.
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Motronic posted:It's shockingly loud when it's just a metal roof. Like until you get used to it you think there is a driving rainstorm when it's just sprinkling a bit. A metal roof with double bubble under it, attached to the purlins with R-30C insulation under those and then sheetrock in a cathedral ceiling isn't loud at all (that's how I built the office extension off off the pole barn at my old house). Growing up in rural Australia, everyone had corrugated metal roofs and the sound of rain on one is still magical to me. Corrugated iron is cheap and plentiful and, in a dry desert climate, lasts for decades. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s61TmfE3zY4
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I’ve only ever lived in one has that hasn’t had a tin roof. They’re loud in a downpour but with anticon and insulation in the ceiling it’s not that bad and almost comforting. In addition to that most older houses round my area are weatherboard cladding with timber lining and zero insulation. It’s not too hard to do the upgrade but not many do cause 100 year old weatherboard tends to be fairly brittle given they’re often made of cedar.
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I see less Alice in Wonderland and more Borderlands. Don't tell me those cabinets aren't cel shaded.
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Enos Cabell posted:I see less Alice in Wonderland and more Borderlands. Don't tell me those cabinets aren't cel shaded. Procedurally generated interior decoration.
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Nenonen posted:Procedurally generated interior decoration. .kkriegerhouse.
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Looks like someone came through and scent-marked every surface with their anus
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Modus Pwnens posted:I have to admire someone who knows what they like and just
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HAPPINESS is a KITCHEN full of ~~~--~~~~- zzzxxzzxxxxxz SMILES
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Youth Decay posted:
Those are plastic mesh tiles. Normally, they're used in places where the space above the drop ceiling is being used as the return plenum for the HVAC. Even then, you only use one or two for a room and the rest are normal solid tiles. Making an entire roof those tiles eliminates the energy savings of a drop ceiling.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Growing up in rural Australia, everyone had corrugated metal roofs and the sound of rain on one is still magical to me. One of the rain options in the "Storm" app I use to get to sleep sometimes uses rain on a tin roof, and it's my go-to. Then again, I'm the guy who sleeps like a baby through a Texas thunderstorm. My parents put a steel roof on their house (North Texas, house from the '30s, added on to several times) some years ago, but they intend to live there the rest of their lives. In the town where I live, I don't think I even have the option, unless I use the expensive coated stuff that looks like normal asphalt shingles. That may have changed from the last time I looked, but since my roof is now only 3 months old, irellevant. Amazingly, no crappy construction was found during the shingling, just a few pieces of decking had to be replaced. I was stunned.
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kid sinister posted:Those are plastic mesh tiles. Normally, they're used in places where the space above the drop ceiling is being used as the return plenum for the HVAC. Even then, you only use one or two for a room and the rest are normal solid tiles. Making an entire roof those tiles eliminates the energy savings of a drop ceiling. Nah, I don't think those are open grille tiles. They're just textured to be fancier than your average office white fiber tiles.
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We got a metal roof a year or so ago and I was disappointed it wasn't noisier in the rain. Like, can't even tell a difference from the old shingle roof. It's not like I've got the best insulated attic in the world either, so I dunno.
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lets do a 180° from roofs, to stairs
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Zipperelli. posted:lets do a 180° from roofs, to stairs imagine the smell
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Zipperelli. posted:lets do a 180° from roofs, to stairs Do you have stairs in your hair? I am disgusted.
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Jerry Cotton posted:.kkriegerhouse. Woof, that's a deep cut. A+
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Megillah Gorilla posted:
You also see it a lot in Scandinavia, like in Iceland or Denmark, and I've always been curious why. Personally I love the brightly colored roofs and brightly colored homes in those countries!
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Snow. You also see metal roofs in areas of New England and other snowy parts of the US that have enough money.
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Bruce Hussein Daddy posted:We got a metal roof a year or so ago and I was disappointed it wasn't noisier in the rain. Like, can't even tell a difference from the old shingle roof. It's not like I've got the best insulated attic in the world either, so I dunno. There's some sound insulation material that can be put between the trusses and the roof
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Pigsfeet on Rye posted:Looks like someone came through and scent-marked every surface with their anus The anal smears really hide the dirt!
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Zipperelli. posted:lets do a 180° from roofs, to stairs I had no idea you could make stairs out of Cousin Itt.
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