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Travic posted:Excellent. Betrayer, The First Heretic, and The Master of Mankind added to my list. Have you already got Know No Fear? Because First Heretic, Know No Fear and Betrayer form a sweet little trilogy (I think in that order)
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Dog_Meat posted:Have you already got Know No Fear? I do not. Looked it up and saw the cover. Is...is that Guilliman fighting Chaos Marines on the outside of a battle barge. With no helmet?
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Oct 16, 2019 12:52
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Travic posted:I do not. Looked it up and saw the cover. Is...is that Guilliman fighting Chaos Marines on the outside of a battle barge. With no helmet? Yes 
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Oct 16, 2019 12:57
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Between Abnett and Haley they have made Guilliman the angriest primarch and it's great. For someone who is supposed to be level headed planner guy he is constantly losing his poo poo.
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Oct 16, 2019 13:11
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Travic posted:I do not. Looked it up and saw the cover. Is...is that Guilliman fighting Chaos Marines on the outside of a battle barge. With no helmet? Yes. Yes it is. You're welcome. Guyver posted:Between Abnett and Haley they have made Guilliman the angriest primarch and it's great. For someone who is supposed to be level headed planner guy he is constantly losing his poo poo. He may lose his poo poo, but he loses it in a precise, methodical way and will dilligently document all aspects of the inevitable demigod level rear end kicking for future generations to research the exact efficiency of pulling your skull out through your rear end in a top hat Dog_Meat fucked around with this message at 13:44 on Oct 16, 2019 |
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Oct 16, 2019 13:13
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So i got siege of terra delivered and im real excited
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Oct 16, 2019 13:44
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The extended sequence where the betrayal at calth actually happens is one of the most insane scenes i've ever read in a book. I think I literally said "holy poo poo" out loud a few times while I was reading it.
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Oct 16, 2019 14:28
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hopterque posted:The extended sequence where the betrayal at calth actually happens is one of the most insane scenes i've ever read in a book. I think I literally said "holy poo poo" out loud a few times while I was reading it. The ship falling from orbit was visceral.
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Oct 16, 2019 14:31
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Travic posted:I do not. Looked it up and saw the cover. Is...is that Guilliman fighting Chaos Marines on the outside of a battle barge. With no helmet? We float for Macragge!
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Oct 16, 2019 14:41
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Rowboat Guilliman can hold his breath for a long time, just like Guybrush Threepwood.
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Angry Lobster posted:Rowboat Guilliman can hold his breath for a long time, just like Guybrush Threepwood. No no no. He was so angry he forgot to breathe.
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Guilliman Demiurge4 posted:The ship falling from orbit was visceral. That reminds me. When I was reading Salamanders their ship gets hit by a "solar storm" while in orbit of a planet. The ship is crippled and dead and crash lands on a planet. Then they repair a thruster and...take off again? What? They said their main engines were working, but the ship was pointed down. So I was hoping that when the planet finally cracked in half they'd fly through it a la Lost In Space. Still stupid, but fun. Travic fucked around with this message at 15:22 on Oct 16, 2019 |
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hopterque posted:The extended sequence where the betrayal at calth actually happens is one of the most insane scenes i've ever read in a book. I think I literally said "holy poo poo" out loud a few times while I was reading it. Which one was that? Know no Fear? I need to go back and reread some of the better books, it’s been years and dozens of books. Travic posted:Guilliman Idunno a lot of older ships seem to have antigravity and stuff, so there’s a difference between an engineless crash landing and full on arrowing into a planet. I ain’t never read those books though. Moose-Alini fucked around with this message at 15:31 on Oct 16, 2019 |
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Oct 16, 2019 15:24
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Moose-Alini posted:Which one was that? Know no Fear? I need to go back and reread some of the better books, it’s been years and dozens of books. Yup. The entire style of Know No Fear is fantastic, and it definitely made me think better of the Ultramarines as a chapter.
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hopterque posted:The extended sequence where the betrayal at calth actually happens is one of the most insane scenes i've ever read in a book. I think I literally said "holy poo poo" out loud a few times while I was reading it. Yeah, the sheer scale of the devestation as it just kept escalating was insane and really painted a picture of how bug-gently caress nuts the 30k numbers were. I think the only other book that made me feel the sheer size of the setting was The Solar War when Horus' forces start translating into the system. Really got a sense of "that's a lot of ships... ok, that's a LOT of ships... that's a FUCKTONNE of ships... Jesus Christ... that is a loving. Lot. Of. Ships"
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Technowolf posted:Is there a list of the better HH books somewhere? The OP has one but it's pretty old. Sounds like the first two books of The Siege Of Terra section of the HH are worth reading, though.
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Dog_Meat posted:Yeah, the sheer scale of the devestation as it just kept escalating was insane and really painted a picture of how bug-gently caress nuts the 30k numbers were. I think the only other book that made me feel the sheer size of the setting was The Solar War when Horus' forces start translating into the system. Really got a sense of "that's a lot of ships... ok, that's a LOT of ships... that's a FUCKTONNE of ships... Jesus Christ... that is a loving. Lot. Of. Ships" yeah that scene where the scale and scope of the numbers and combat and devastation keeps expanding and expanding to this point where its basically completely overwhelming definitely has the same type of feel as the calth attack
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When the constant escalation of scale culminates in the dark Mechanicum taking control of the orbital plate gun platforms, I figured "oh poo poo, here goes the next step up in Devastation", thinking I'm prepared for what comes next, i.e. orbital bombardment... ..."and then they turned and started killing the sun." 
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Something just occurred to me...more loyalists died at Calth than at Isstvan V, and it was all Ultramarines.
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Oct 16, 2019 20:15
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Oct 16, 2019 20:17
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Duzzy Funlop posted:Something just occurred to me...more loyalists died at Calth than at Isstvan V, and it was all Ultramarines. Did Gulliman cap chapters at 1000 because the Ultramarines were disproportionately weakened?
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Technowolf posted:Is there a list of the better HH books somewhere? The good ones are A Thousand Sons by Graham McNeill along with all of the ones written by Dan Abnett and Aaron Dembski-Bowden. I've never read the ones Christ Wraight wrote about the White Scars, but his other 40k books are great so those are probably good, too. The others are mediocre to bad, IMO. Personally, I'd rather just read the Lexicanum summaries for those books and save my time, money, and attention.
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Duzzy Funlop posted:Something just occurred to me...more loyalists died at Calth than at Isstvan V, and it was all Ultramarines. I don't think thats true, i think ultramarines casualties were ~150k (which is insane), but 3 loyalist legions got almost completely culled at Isstvan. For instance, 80000 raven guard were deployed and there were 3000 survivors, and they were the smallest loyal legion there. quote:The main sources for the Drop Site Massacre contradict the numbers of Astartes present at the battle. Fulgrim by Graham McNeill gives 30,000 marines for the traitor legions total and 40,000 marines for the first wave loyalist total, resulting in total involvement of 70,000 Astartes from 7 legions before the second wave drops. Obviously Know No Fear is after they scaled up the sizes of the legions in canon. hopterque fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Oct 16, 2019 |
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Khizan posted:The good ones are A Thousand Sons by Graham McNeill along with all of the ones written by Dan Abnett and Aaron Dembski-Bowden. I've never read the ones Christ Wraight wrote about the White Scars, but his other 40k books are great so those are probably good, too. I agree with the above, but lately I've been pretty impressed with John French too. I don't think he's on the Abnett/ADB tier yet, but I've definitely enjoyed his last 3-4 Heresy books.
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Paddyo posted:I agree with the above, but lately I've been pretty impressed with John French too. I don't think he's on the Abnett/ADB tier yet, but I've definitely enjoyed his last 3-4 Heresy books. His Horusian War series is really good as well.
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https://regimental-standard.com/2019/10/16/befriend-a-space-marine/amp/ Befriend your space marines, Guardsman, lest you be nerve stapled.
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:Did Gulliman cap chapters at 1000 because the Ultramarines were disproportionately weakened? He did it after the heresy so no single commander would ever have the power of an entire legion again. Which is kinda horseshit really, because if Guilliman says "to me, my Ultramarines!" do you really think some off-shoot chapter run by Chapter Master Genericus is going to say no? I like how the HH shows what a devestating, galactic scale weapon the legions were. Only Guilliman looked beyond the crusade to what else they could do for the Imperium. His vision was that planets would eventually have superhuman, borderline immortal warrior statesman to steer them. Probably the only time a book has acknowledged that the marines have gene enhanced brains that can be used for more than aiming really big guns.
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Dog_Meat posted:Which is kinda horseshit really, because if Guilliman says "to me, my Ultramarines!" do you really think some off-shoot chapter run by Chapter Master Genericus is going to say no?
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Guyver posted:Just ask the Night Lords. Been a while since I read it, but I love how one of the Night Lords is almost laughing at the absurdity of the situation as more and more upstart thinblood chapters keep dropping in, but they may as well be fighting a legion I really should re-read that book, actually
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Dog_Meat posted:Only Guilliman looked beyond the crusade to what else they could do for the Imperium. His vision was that planets would eventually have superhuman, borderline immortal warrior statesman to steer them. Probably the only time a book has acknowledged that the marines have gene enhanced brains that can be used for more than aiming really big guns. Magnus did too, not necessarily to such a Utopian ideal as Guilliman, who seemed to envision true and lasting peace at some point. I mean, Lorgar would probably tell you he also knew Astartes could be more than trigger pullers but well...
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A lot of the legions dabbled in stuff outside of warfare. Dorn's like the only one who focused exclusively on being a military force.
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SardonicTyrant posted:A lot of the legions dabbled in stuff outside of warfare. Dorn's like the only one who focused exclusively on being a military force. Angron and Russ didn't seem to have many interests outside that sphere either.
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Inspector_666 posted:Angron and Russ didn't seem to have many interests outside that sphere either. Death match arenas Versus sitting around getting drunk and telling stories tho.
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Inspector_666 posted:Angron and Russ didn't seem to have many interests outside that sphere either. Wouldn't Russ's focus just be on making the best beer in the universe? And then maybe moving on to making the best mead?
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The very worst thing you can do in 40k is tell a Night Lord to get a hobby.
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Randalor posted:Wouldn't Russ's focus just be on making the best beer in the universe? And then maybe moving on to making the best mead? Got the hipster beard already, and a penchant for DIY modding.
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Randalor posted:Wouldn't Russ's focus just be on making the best beer in the universe? And then maybe moving on to making the best mead? He grew succulents actually
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