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Re: the lost and the damned malacador mentions they hid the warp from all the primarchs save one who had the mettle to resist. who was it? Magnus? They dont say
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Lion? Didn't he land in a forest with chaos monsters and his home world was sort of overrun with chaos monsters and didn't even mutate an additional pinky or anything.
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Oct 18, 2019 04:33
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Polgas posted:Lion? Didn't he land in a forest with chaos monsters and his home world was sort of overrun with chaos monsters and didn't even mutate an additional pinky or anything. O poo poo I think you may be right
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Oct 18, 2019 04:36
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It's definitely not Magus, on account of not even being aware of the Chaos Gods and also, this is important to note, famously not having the mettle to resist.
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Oct 18, 2019 14:31
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It's actually one of the two lost Primarchs who had the mettle to resist, because he's a blank. He's still knocking around the Imperial Palace with the Legion made from his geneseed but part of the process means literally nobody is able to notice them so they're just all wandering around pretending to be ghosts these last 10k years or so.Dog_Meat posted:He did it after the heresy so no single commander would ever have the power of an entire legion again.  with the implication that only Guilliman was left and he was on his way out due to mystery illness/injury.
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Oct 18, 2019 14:41
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Waroduce posted:Re: the lost and the damned It's gotta be Russ right? As the executioner he would need to know what he is potentially dealing with, plus he continued to openly use ruin priests after Nikea and nobody said a thing Arquinsiel posted:
At least some of the primarchs were still around because several sources talk about resistance from them to break up their legions. Dorn specifically had a big problem with it and it was a factor in the fight he disappeared in.
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Oct 18, 2019 15:17
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D-Pad posted:
Russ, Jaghatai, Dorn, Vulkan and Guilliman were the 5 who 'survived' the Heresy. Ferrus and Sanguinus died during it, Jonson was MIA after the fall of Caliban, and Corax went into the warp just afterward to atone for making mutant Space Marines.
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Oct 18, 2019 15:35
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Technowolf posted:Russ, Jaghatai, Dorn, Vulkan and Guilliman were the 5 who 'survived' the Heresy. Ferrus and Sanguinus died during it, Jonson was MIA after the fall of Caliban, and Corax went into the warp just afterward to atone for making mutant Space Marines. Yep, from Dorn's article on the wiki: quote:Dorn, Leman Russ of the Space Wolves and Vulkan of the Salamanders all refused the dictates of the Codex, and the Imperium seemed poised to tear itself apart in civil war again. The Imperial Fists Strike Cruiser The Terrible Angel was even fired upon by the newborn Imperial Navy for the Fists' supposed heresies against the Imperium's new order.
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Oct 18, 2019 16:00
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D-Pad posted:
In ~1989 when they were writing the Second Founding first they just assumed they were all dead and implied that Guilliman was the last living one who wrote the order on his deathbed.
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Oct 18, 2019 17:03
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Waroduce posted:Re: the lost and the damned
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Oct 20, 2019 18:31
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Lost and the Damned was ok, but it didnt do much for me. No super cool reveals but it was fun to see the set up for the coming war.
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Oct 20, 2019 18:54
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Raldoron's duel near the end was worth the price of admission 
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Oct 20, 2019 23:25
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So there is a squat in the first story of the new Inferno that came out this weekend. First one I have seen in any new stuff for a very long time.
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Oct 21, 2019 00:47
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Itd be super cool if Talos and others made a cameo especially since we got to see some other night lords we know
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Oct 21, 2019 13:44
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Waroduce posted:Itd be super cool if Talos and others made a cameo especially since we got to see some other night lords we know Out of anyone I'm really surprised malcharion hasn't gotten a mention, the war sage seemed to have the respect of the whole legion.
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Oct 22, 2019 16:40
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Listening to Plague War. Is old-type, year 40k space marines not believing in the emperor as god a retcon? I feel like they were plenty religious in all the pre-Guilliman books I read. Though maybe it just wasn’t really mentioned explicitly.
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Oct 22, 2019 20:51
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Marines and their religious views differ from chapter to chapter, with some being hardcore Cult Imperialis worshippers and others being pragmatic secularists.
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Oct 22, 2019 20:56
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Arcsquad12 posted:Marines and their religious views differ from chapter to chapter, with some being hardcore Cult Imperialis worshippers and others being pragmatic secularists. Theres a bit of mysticism that hangs over every chapter with their rites and hymns and such but generally speaking the closer you are to the codex the less religious you are. Ultramarines and their successors venerate heroes but are pretty secular, Salamanders and Templars are hella not. Blood Angels have their own thing going on because of their personal relationship with the primarch and their flaw. To be extra fair though, in a universe where psychic powers and demons are just plain real theres really not much functional difference between seeking guidance from the psychic remnant of your all powerful forefather to protect against interdimensional entities and praying to god to save you from demons. It's more a difference of attitude between the chapters. Sharkopath fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Oct 22, 2019 |
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Oct 22, 2019 21:18
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peanut- posted:Listening to Plague War. Is old-type, year 40k space marines not believing in the emperor as god a retcon? I feel like they were plenty religious in all the pre-Guilliman books I read. Though maybe it just wasn’t really mentioned explicitly. There were 'secular' chapters in canon before the Horus Heresy series was written, ones that "venerate" rather than worship the Emperor. Others chapters were/are fully into the God-Emperor thing though.
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peanut- posted:Listening to Plague War. Is old-type, year 40k space marines not believing in the emperor as god a retcon? I feel like they were plenty religious in all the pre-Guilliman books I read. Though maybe it just wasn’t really mentioned explicitly.
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Oct 23, 2019 01:35
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SardonicTyrant posted:It's a little complicated. They acknowledge the Emperor's supernatural powers, but explain them as being the ultimate human, the very best humanity can be. But at the same time they still worship the Emperor, just not in the same way and with the same subservience the rest of humanity does. All Hail the Man Emperor!
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Oct 23, 2019 07:44
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You know how Odin is a god, but also a king? And how his followers like the Valkries serve him faithfully but probably don't worship him like mortals do? It's kind of like that.
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Oct 23, 2019 16:34
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I just want to share how wonderful "Hamilcar, Champion of the Gods" is. Imagine a Danny McBride, illiterate, dumb as hell stormcast who has erotic dreams featuring Ikrit Klaw, and you're only halfway there.
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Oct 23, 2019 17:21
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"bloke can punch on but can't handle his piss" - a space wolf,
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Oct 23, 2019 21:48
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Dont doxx me
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Immanentized posted:I just want to share how wonderful "Hamilcar, Champion of the Gods" is. It was a really fun book. Also it was funny seeing Chaos Warriors being used as fodder by beastmen, when normally it's the other way around.
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Oct 23, 2019 22:34
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So I mentioned them after I read them, but I haven't seen much discussion in here regarding the more recent books. The Hollow Mountain, The Great Work, Rites of Passage, Celestine, The Solar War, The Lost and the Damned. Let's get some recent lore discussion going. What are y'all's thoughts on any of these you've read. Celestine was lackluster, but I really enjoyed all the others. Or if anybody has questions about these or their lore I can answer.
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D-Pad posted:So I mentioned them after I read them, but I haven't seen much discussion in here regarding the more recent books. The Hollow Mountain, The Great Work, Rites of Passage, Celestine, The Solar War, The Lost and the Damned. Reading through The Great Work after recently reading through The Devestation of Baal and Plague War. Guy Haley is great in the sense he can smash out ok books consistently but I never come away from one of his novels absolutely blown away like I do with Abnett or Demski-Bowden and occasionally Wright. I feel he's the go to guy to forward the plot because he can write it in 3 months to a good standard and include all the latest model releases without kicking up a fuss. I've said this before quite a lot, especially about Abnett. But I'd like to see Haley given his own little corner of the universe to write about and give him a decent page length rather than the 400 odd pages every 40K book is. I wish we saw more variety of novel length from BL, its rare I don't read something and think it could do with another hundred pages. It's a good sign he's been given a Siege of Terra book though which I haven't read yet.
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ed balls balls man posted:Reading through The Great Work after recently reading through The Devestation of Baal and Plague War. Guy Haley is great in the sense he can smash out ok books consistently but I never come away from one of his novels absolutely blown away like I do with Abnett or Demski-Bowden and occasionally Wright. Having about a dozen books and shorts read now from a bunch of various authors I have to say Haley's space marine writing is what sticks with me more than anything else I've read in black library. They're given emotion in a way I appreciate which is the style of old heroic epics where heroes burn with an intensity that's hard to match. They aren't all stoics who can only show no fear: they smolder with fury and weep openly at their losses, but most importantly they question and doubt and even despair at their place in the glaaxy as it burns around them and they feel they can barely keep up. They're ancient and tired and their emotions are larger than life as their sense of duty stretches them beyond the breaking point because of it. I'm going through Eisenhorn and despite being a very different genre of action and still also being very entertaining and good to me it feels really cartoonish compared to the emotional height I felt at the end devastation of baal.
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ed balls balls man posted:Reading through The Great Work after recently reading through The Devestation of Baal and Plague War. Guy Haley is great in the sense he can smash out ok books consistently but I never come away from one of his novels absolutely blown away like I do with Abnett or Demski-Bowden and occasionally Wright. His siege book follows the trend of me finishing not thinking it was bad but not having any pull to think about. Him and french got the short end of the stick having to set everything up drags both siege books down a bit.
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I burned a bunch of Audible credits to do Dante, Devastation of Baal, Dark Imperium, and Plague War (the last of which I just finished yesterday). And over all my feelings are quite mixed. I liked Dante quite a bit for the character work and it succeeded in making me care about Dante in a way that I rarely do about 40k characters, particularly ones who have the kind of Hero of the Imperium resume that he does. Devastation had the best action and most impressive story beats, but I missed the mono-focus on one character. Still, it was nice the way things dovetailed from Dante to give the guy something approaching a resolution, though it might have been more powerful if he'd actually died rather then been forced to carry on. But that's a line-wide problem, since if a character has a miniature, and especially a popular one, then GW is loathe to let them die and stay dead. Anyone remember Eldrad being marked for death at the end of the Eye of Terror Campaign because Order lost? What d you know, the guy's still around. And let's not even talk about how many named characters from Fantasy managed to survive the literal end of the world to make it into AoS. The DI books felt like a step back to me, especially Dark Imperium. I enjoyed seeing the 40k universe through Guilliman's horrified eyes, but a lot of the rest had me waiting to get back to Bobby G. Having the infected guardsman as a PoV character in Imperium was a decent trick, but doing so sort of spoiled the effect for Plague War because it was no longer surprising when other PoV characters came to bad ends. In particular, I thought that killing off the young saint girl was a waste, because having Bobby be mad that she died was one thing, but having him have to deal with her presence in his army would have been a much more interesting thing.  All told, I enjoyed all four books to various degrees, and I'll read the next ones in the series as well.
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Oct 24, 2019 19:05
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New fan made film coming out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11SFXwA4ahU Not on Astartes level but looks worth following to see how it does.
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So I have seen speculation that Valdor: Birth of the Imperium limited edition goes on sale tomorrow. This is definitely one LE I am very interested in picking up. Does anybody know what time they go on sale? I have heard 10am, but 10am in what time zone? Any tips or tricks for snagging one? I believe these tend to go fast.
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D-Pad posted:New fan made film coming out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11SFXwA4ahU This just reinforces how utterly spoiled we are by the Astartes guy. That said Warhammer by way of up-ressed Black Isle era cinematics isn't entirely bad. Certainly can't be as bad as that Inquisitor thing from a while back, nevermind that I was the only one who didn't like it and I will shout that into the void forever. E: Or No John Hurt, You Are The Demons. Orv fucked around with this message at 12:32 on Oct 26, 2019 |
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Oct 26, 2019 12:23
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Which book has the cool lady captain that even Angron likes in it?
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Oct 26, 2019 17:15
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Betrayer
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Oct 26, 2019 17:28
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She's also in the short story A Rose Watered with Blood read it after Betrayer. Edit: Speaking of shorts just read Prince of Crows and it explains how/why Lion has Cruze loose on board his flagship in Unremembered Empire. Guyver fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Oct 26, 2019 |
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Oct 26, 2019 17:36
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Guyver posted:She's also in the short story A Rose Watered with Blood read it after Betrayer. I’m never gonna read that any chance I can get a short recap?
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Rose watered with Blood is about the Conqueror trying to get to Terra for the party but part of the crew want off because it's evil now and they try to get Lotara to help She lets them get off then blows them up in space and sics Kharn on the rest. Prince of Crows is about Sevatar trying to reorganize the Night Lords fleet so they can get to Terra after they got their poo poo pushed in by the Dark Angels and Lion put Curze in a coma. There are flash backs to both Sevetar and Curze's upbringings. Curze wakes up extra crazy and rams his ship into the Dark Angels flag ship for round two with Lion on top of a man-pile Also Sevatar is pretty awesome. Guyver fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Oct 26, 2019 |
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I started the new Cawl novel, and it's bad writing even for BL standards. Actually unreadable. As I can't force myself to wade through the loose stool water to find out what Cawl is doing, is there a good synopsis?
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