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Was Get Shorty not a documentary. I thought everyone knew Hollywood is essentially a large money laundering operations for criminal enterprises.
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# ? Nov 20, 2019 22:00 |
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Marenghi posted:Was Get Shorty not a documentary. I didnt know this but I mean if you just told me this was a fact I would believe you without any further clarification or context.
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# ? Nov 21, 2019 07:27 |
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I can't confirm this but someone told me WB has followed Snyder on Twitter.
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# ? Nov 22, 2019 01:24 |
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The MSJ posted:I can't confirm this but someone told me WB has followed Snyder on Twitter.
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# ? Nov 22, 2019 01:48 |
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Roman posted:think you meant this for the snyder thread? but i checked @wbpictures and nope Oh, wrong thread. What I meant to post here is that any news about a sequel that has been reported this week is apparently fake. Phillips never talked to WB about it, nor the other way round.
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# ? Nov 22, 2019 02:12 |
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The MSJ posted:Oh, wrong thread. On the other hand, this was an R-rated comic movie that made a billion dollars. They're gonna want to doing something to wring even more money out of it.
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# ? Nov 22, 2019 16:30 |
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I'm not saying this is the greatest comic book movie ever or whatever but I saw it a couple weeks ago and my mind keeps tracing back to a couple of scenes which is way, way higher praise than I can give most other superhero films The penultimate scene with Arthur wiping his bloody mouth into a Joker smile had some of the best ambiance I've seen in awhile tho
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# ? Nov 22, 2019 19:22 |
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My mind keeps going back to the part where The Joker says “I’m da Joker baby!”
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# ? Nov 22, 2019 19:50 |
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Actually I was referring to when he smugly walks face-first into the glass but close enough
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# ? Nov 22, 2019 21:04 |
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NiceGuy posted:I'm not saying this is the greatest comic book movie ever or whatever but I saw it a couple weeks ago and my mind keeps tracing back to a couple of scenes which is way, way higher praise than I can give most other superhero films That shot of him (that's in the trailers as well) where he's stood there in makeup/suit and smoking a cigarette is incredibly sinister. I can't think of any other comic book movie that's had such a great shot of the villain. That whole scene is superb, especially the string soundtrack and way he slowly starts contorting his body afterwards.
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# ? Nov 25, 2019 01:07 |
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The scene where his coworker has to ask for help to open the door is the greatest and darkest comedy ever put on film.
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# ? Dec 4, 2019 10:45 |
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Some (late and rambling) thoughts: Arthur's mom suffers lots of gendered violence - everything to do with Thomas Wayne (corroborated by the "love your smile - TW" picture), later domestic abuse, and a text fragment from her files implies she had a lobotomy done to her. Her name is "Penny Fleck", two insignificant things, which Arthur calls attention to in the hospital scene ("I always hated that name"). His own name, in comparison, could be read as a grandiose first name (King Arthur) attached to that same insignificant surname - the tension between high and low self-image that's common in narcissism. Subway scene was a reference to the Bernhard Goetz killings, but everyone picked up on that one. If the movie is supposed to be about Fleck's journey into seeing himself as the Joker, then why does he still consider himself "mentally ill" by the time he shoots Murray? By that point in the film, he's already: - killed the subway guys (including the one he chased down and shot in the back) and found that it "hasn't bothered him" - told his therapist that he finally feels like he "really exists, and people are starting to notice" - chosen to identify with his uncontrollable laughter - which wasn't even mental illness, from his mother's files it's heavily implied that it was caused by brain trauma from abuse suffered when he was a child, which makes it a neurological problem. Arthur already knew this, even: the explainer card that he hands to the concerned mother on the bus says "it can happen in people with a brain injury or certain neurological conditions". - killed his mother after delivering the tragedy/comedy line - killed his co-worker, worn the getup, asked to be called Joker. His character development is almost finished - so why "mentally ill", rather than "this is who I was meant to be"? None of Travis Bickle, Rupert Pupkin or Heath Ledger's Joker saw themselves as such; whatever mental illnesses they may have had were egosyntonic, they all saw themselves as the perfectly justified heroes of their own stories. I don't see any indication that we're supposed to disagree with his line, either (although killing Murray is framed as an unjustified response). "Defunding mental health is bad" seems to be one of the few positions the film actually takes, along with "1% strawmen are bad (but angry mobs of proles are bad too)". I understand it's the same scene where he makes his extremely unconvincing claim to be "apolitical", but "my whole character arc was bullshit" seems like a different issue.
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# ? Dec 23, 2019 10:30 |
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I think I'll take the interpetation of an actual leftist film maker about whether Joker is actually leftist or just a dumb comic book movie trying so hard to be Real Cinema.
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# ? Dec 23, 2019 21:35 |
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Was that directed at me? I didn't say it was a leftist movie, I just mentioned gender-coded violence and an unsympathetic billionaire character.
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# ? Dec 24, 2019 02:15 |
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Sleeveless posted:I think I'll take the interpetation of an actual leftist film maker about whether Joker is actually leftist or just a dumb comic book movie trying so hard to be Real Cinema. What do you think of Zizek’s read of the movie? quote:Critics weren’t sure how to categorize Joker: is it just a piece of entertainment (like other Batman films), an in-depth study of the genesis of pathological violence, or an exercise in cultural theory? From his radical leftist standpoint, Michael Moore called it ‘a timely piece of social criticism and a perfect illustration of the consequences of America’s current social ills’, pointing out that it explores the protagonist’s origin story, examines the role of bankers, the collapse of healthcare and the divide between rich and poor. However, Joker does not only depict this America, it also raises a ‘discomfiting question’ in Moore’s mind: what if one day the dispossessed decide to fight back? ruddiger fucked around with this message at 03:32 on Dec 24, 2019 |
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zizek posted:The paradox is that you become truly violent (in the sense of posing a threat to the existing system) only when you renounce physical violence. zizek you lived through the yugoslav wars
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# ? Dec 25, 2019 01:07 |
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Sleeveless posted:I think I'll take the interpetation of an actual leftist film maker about whether Joker is actually leftist or just a dumb comic book movie trying so hard to be Real Cinema. Boots is a clown sometimes and I really liked sorry to bother you. Joker does have real leftist themes sorry
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# ? Dec 25, 2019 03:33 |
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Joker to me is just white working class Americans that let their lives slide into poo poo via do nothing apathy getting owned by a clown
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# ? Dec 25, 2019 04:16 |
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It would probably be best to not use the word "leftist" because it's incredibly vague and can mean anything from democratic party voters to naxalites.
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# ? Dec 25, 2019 04:17 |
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Zizek posted:at the film’s end, the anti-hero is powerless He seems anything but, given everything that's happened within the city and his own personal life. It seems more like he's taken the reigns of his life for the first time and finally has control. HorseLord posted:zizek you lived through the yugoslav wars Yeah, that stuck out to me as well. Wonder how things would be going for the people of Hong Kong right now if they all just bent over. Maybe they could say "Hi" to the Uighurs.
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# ? Dec 25, 2019 04:38 |
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SUNKOS posted:Wonder how things would be going for the people of Hong Kong right now if they all just bent over. exactly same as it's going now because most of hong kong society is bored and annoyed at what amounts to some teenagers making noise and littering everywhere for obscure reasons
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# ? Dec 26, 2019 00:27 |
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Todd Phillips put the script online in case anyone wants to count how many times he wrote Joker taking a drag from his cigarette. https://pmcdeadline2.files.wordpress.com/2019/12/joker-script-final.pdf
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 08:52 |
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I'm glad they replaced the opening scene, and Joker squirting his flower after he is beaten in the alleyway wasn't in the script.
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 10:44 |
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Yo Sleeveless, you going to comment on that Zizek review or what? On an unrelated note: https://twitter.com/mexicansoflate/status/1190105311337730050?s=21
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# ? Jan 5, 2020 08:57 |
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ruddiger posted:Yo Sleeveless, you going to comment on that Zizek review or what? I can't speak for Sleeveless but will go ahead and speak for myself by telling you to gently caress off.
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# ? Jan 5, 2020 17:22 |
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Prince Myshkin posted:I can't speak for Sleeveless but will go ahead and speak for myself by telling you to gently caress off. It’s called Cinema Discusso, not Cinema Shitpost and runaway like a coward.
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# ? Jan 5, 2020 17:23 |
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ruddiger posted:It’s called Cinema Discusso, not Cinema Shitpost and runaway like a coward. The only way you know whether he's seen your post of the Zizek review is if he posts in the thread, and he hasn't, so send a PM or quit being a weirdo.
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# ? Jan 6, 2020 00:18 |
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There's no real reason to read or pay attention to the dumpster man
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# ? Jan 6, 2020 01:12 |
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E: https://theplaylist.net/bong-joon-ho-parasite-joker-theaters-20191209/ quote:Bong Joon-Ho Compares ‘Parasite’ To ‘Joker’ & Talks His “Obsession” With The Theatrical Experience Kojima has something to say about the movie too. https://twitter.com/alfreid17/status/1177841944845643778?s=21 Del Toro and a few other filmmakers put it in their top ten as well. ruddiger fucked around with this message at 05:07 on Jan 6, 2020 |
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ruddiger posted:E: Yeah the comparison to Parasite seems apt. The biggest difference is Parasite has enough interpretative space that I've met quite a few people who read Parasite as "oh the poor people are parasites preying on the innocent rich people" but Joker has such a bald hatred of the rich that if you aren't willing to go along with "the rich are a destructive force" you wind up unable to interpret a very simple movie. Honestly Joker is so didactic and straightforward I don't know how there's any debate about its themes or content. Literal Maoist propaganda from the Cultural Revolution has more sympathy for capitalists than Joker. The interview with the social worker is so overt about the original sin of the fiction that I'm surprised it didn't have footnotes with page citations about deinstitutionalization.. That I run into professional film critics that call it cynical, confused, and unclear is the sort of thing that makes me think "it is impossible to make a movie immune to willful misinterpretation." I liked the movie but it's incredibly direct and unsubtle.
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# ? Jan 7, 2020 05:54 |
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ruddiger posted:E: Wrap it up Jokerailures it's time to acknowledge this was a great movie
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# ? Jan 7, 2020 06:04 |
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Tulip posted:Yeah the comparison to Parasite seems apt. The biggest difference is Parasite has enough interpretative space that I've met quite a few people who read Parasite as "oh the poor people are parasites preying on the innocent rich people" but Joker has such a bald hatred of the rich that if you aren't willing to go along with "the rich are a destructive force" you wind up unable to interpret a very simple movie. There were people in this very thread who thought "he's just imagining being in a romantic relationship with his neighbour!" was ambiguous or straight up didn't get that they weren't actually dating. You could hit people in the face with a sledgehammer that says "KILL THE RICH - JOKER (2019)" and someone would go nah I think maybe the film sides with the capitalists???
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# ? Jan 7, 2020 07:00 |
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CROWS EVERYWHERE posted:There were people in this very thread who thought "he's just imagining being in a romantic relationship with his neighbour!" was ambiguous or straight up didn't get that they weren't actually dating. You could hit people in the face with a sledgehammer that says "KILL THE RICH - JOKER (2019)" and someone would go nah I think maybe the film sides with the capitalists??? I wonder if the superhero baggage lead to some of this? Like, the movie really, truly hates Thomas Wayne, but if you're thinking of this as a "Batman movie" you have this meta-textual information that Thomas Wayne is a good guy because, hey, Batman's dad. The Batman stuff felt pretty tacked on and non-essential. Thomas Wayne felt like this unholy Ed Koch-Michael Bloomberg-Jeff Bezos character, and he's very comprehensible as a representation of "financiers who got into politics as a means of hurting poor people," but the superhero elements didn't add a lot.
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# ? Jan 7, 2020 08:18 |
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I finally saw this movie and... I thought it was fine. It was okay. As a reverential sendup of better movies like Taxi Driver and King of Comedy with a supervillain twist, it mostly delivered. The cinematography was good and Joaquin Phoenix is the best actor alive, so it's got all that going for it. But in terms of dialogue and themes I found it all way too on-the-nose. Way too many instances of characters just saying exactly what ~the message~ was, self-indulgent slo-mo scenes with music track choices that reminded me of Suicide Squad with how painfully obvious they were. It's no wonder I see Hideo Kojima loved this film, he could have written it lol. Would have worked much better with half the dialogue and cutting that bad Beautiful Mind twist.
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# ? Jan 7, 2020 11:07 |
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I'm looking forward to the first Joker Universe Batman movie where Batman rescues Gotham from craziness with modest reforms and rational third wayism.
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# ? Jan 7, 2020 11:51 |
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Tulip posted:Honestly Joker is so didactic and straightforward I don't know how there's any debate about its themes or content. Literal Maoist propaganda from the Cultural Revolution has more sympathy for capitalists than Joker. The interview with the social worker is so overt about the original sin of the fiction that I'm surprised it didn't have footnotes with page citations about deinstitutionalization.. That I run into professional film critics that call it cynical, confused, and unclear is the sort of thing that makes me think "it is impossible to make a movie immune to willful misinterpretation." Trying to argue this with people who read one scorching hot take about incels from someone who hadn't seen the movie and made up their mind was exhausting. Weirdly I remember doing the exact same thing with Starship Troopers back in the 90s when people thought it was straightforward fascist propaganda rather than a blindingly obvious satire.
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# ? Jan 7, 2020 12:13 |
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I'm very curious about how the movie's dialogue was translated for various international audiences. Being that it was a huge success abroad, I mostly assume is based on the appeal of it's class warfare themes and revolutionary escapist fantasy.
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# ? Jan 7, 2020 16:06 |
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upgunned shitpost posted:hollywood budgets and revenue are distorted to help facilitate crime, they're not to be taken seriously. They also have a lot of other baggage assigned to them. Like the astronomical cost of Superman Returns was largely down to failed rewrites and other crap being put onto the ledger to write them off.
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# ? Jan 7, 2020 19:18 |
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Finally re-watched it today. Still so good. Noticed a couple things: - In the Wayne murder scene, an Excalibur poster with "RESIST" spray painted on it (BvS had an Excalibur poster in its scene) - In the scene with Bruce standing over his dead parents, a Wolfen poster on the wall. Maybe a reference to when Arthur says "They just think we'll just sit there and take it like good little boys, and we won't werewolf and go wild." Roman fucked around with this message at 03:24 on Jan 14, 2020 |
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Also it seems like Phoenix is right handed (he uses it to open doors, etc.) but writes with his left hand, which is why his journal writing looks so goofy.
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