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nemesis_hub posted:Blood Boils already gave a perfectly clear explanation.
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theblackw0lf posted:This simultaneously impressed me (for how tragic Anakin’s story is in TPM) and angered me in how poorly it was told). Reading this makes me more sympathetic to Anakin saying “gently caress the jedi” This is like the pony in the holocaust picture. If you need the story that is explicitly told this way in the movie to be drawn as anime to understand it, it's not the movie's fault you failed to grasp it.
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Nov 28, 2019 07:24
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There's usually plenty of things to criticize an Abrams story for, but being too complex to understand is a strange angleDoctor Spaceman posted:If Marcus knew what was in the torpedoes why not just kill them immediately (or use them as leverage against Khan, like he was doing originally) rather than going through a convoluted scheme to have Kirk launch them at Kronos. Marcus and Khan very obviously despise each other. Marcus is the head of section 31, those were his people Khan blows up. Even if it wasn't personal between them, it's perfectly in character for either the war-mongering admiral or demonic space lord to be vicious.
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Nov 28, 2019 09:54
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That is literally the plot of those movies. That is Anakins arc. Its things like this that make me certain people who say things like "why does this character need to explain this, we just watched it happen" are grossly overestimating the average movie goers ability to put a story together.
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Nov 28, 2019 12:11
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Honestly Christensens acting is so sketchy in these movies that even if all that were made explicit by Anakin, there’s almost no chance it would have landed.
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Nov 28, 2019 13:29
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No Mods No Masters posted:Leia's blithe, smug assertion that she, someone who can barely walk or speak, has everything she needs to restore herself to power- after ~99.99% of her forces have been killed and the entire galaxy has been conquered by nazis- will remain the most perfect and crystalline expression of a particular political moment once you realize that TLJ is #resistance incarnate it makes a lot more sense and critiques of it can become more coherent the way the movie seems like it's going in an interesting, maybe even revolutionary new direction and then totally fails to commit and backpedals? that's Obamaism. the way it treats the First Order as totally comically ridiculous yet they stomp the Resistance's loving asses into the ground? that's Trump. the way they a save few of the animals to make themselves feel a little better on a personal level but it does nothing to fix any structural problems? that's inspirational stories about someone's grandma still working, plastic straw bans, the individual mandate, debt forgiveness for students who start a business on a Tuesday when the moon is full colored hair woman dressing down a man in a way that looks feminist on the most rudimentary, pandering surface level but is totally empty of meaning. don't make sacrifices for a cause Finn, you the individual are more important and love will save us. yes we lost, but we just need to have hope and keep using exactly the same strategies and we'll win it perfectly, inadvertently depicts a specific historical psychosis through cinema. The Last Jedi is a masterpiece
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Nov 28, 2019 15:37
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Boxman posted:Honestly Christensens acting is so sketchy in these movies that even if all that were made explicit by Anakin, there’s almost no chance it would have landed. Christensen's performance is perfectly effective at conveying everything that’s going on with Anakin; it’s probably the most raw and honest portrayal of any character in the series. However, it’s also off-putting for exactly that reason. Next to gallant, charming Ewan McGregor as Obi-Wan, or even Natalie Portman's idealistic ingenue turned political prodigy (probably the weakest performance in the prequels), Hayden's Anakin is a wreck. He's awkward, he's socially inept, but he's the only one with any sense that what's going on around him isn’t right. The only person who's capable of validating that feeling is, unfortunately, the bad guy.
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Nov 28, 2019 15:52
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I dont know if I should fault Hayden or Lucas for that because Anakin in the The Clone Wars is compelling and deep. It's such a better portrayal of the character.
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Nov 28, 2019 16:00
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Its Coke posted:once you realize that TLJ is #resistance incarnate it makes a lot more sense and critiques of it can become more coherent Yeah, the movie makes a lot more sense viewing it through this lens. It’s very Clintonian.
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Nov 28, 2019 16:11
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In order to make the new trilogy a true parallel for our times, Dexter Jettster should have been elected president of the republic senate.
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Nov 28, 2019 16:13
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I still think the tragic arc of Anakin would have been way better if he were aged up in TPM. Keep literally everything just age him up a bit
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Nov 28, 2019 16:29
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Vintersorg posted:I dont know if I should fault Hayden or Lucas for that because Anakin in the The Clone Wars is compelling and deep. It's such a better portrayal of the character. The Clone Wars is portraying him at the point in his life when he's at his most confident and is allowed a good amount agency, as opposed to when he's anxious and powerless.
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Nov 28, 2019 16:34
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He also slides into believable anger and darkness.
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George H.W. oval office posted:I still think the tragic arc of Anakin would have been way better if he were aged up in TPM. Keep literally everything just age him up a bit It’s maybe the most easily fixable problem in the prequels. Anakin should have been Luke’s age circa the original Star Wars. This would have made Yoda’s ESB comments about Luke being too old more resonant too, given he would have been speaking from experience after seeing Anakin fall after starting his training around the same age.
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Nov 28, 2019 17:34
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Vintersorg posted:I dont know if I should fault Hayden or Lucas for that because Anakin in the The Clone Wars is compelling and deep. It's such a better portrayal of the character. Anakin's fall is a good example of the importance of artistry in cinema. everything about it sounds like a great tragic story in theory, but the way it was actually put to film sucks and falls flat
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Nov 28, 2019 18:10
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Captain Jesus posted:This is like the pony in the holocaust picture. If you need the story that is explicitly told this way in the movie to be drawn as anime to understand it, it's not the movie's fault you failed to grasp it. What the
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Its Coke posted:Anakin's fall is a good example of the importance of artistry in cinema. everything about it sounds like a great tragic story in theory, but the way it was actually put to film sucks and falls flat
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Nov 28, 2019 18:19
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Its Coke posted:Anakin's fall is a good example of the importance of artistry in cinema. everything about it sounds like a great tragic story in theory, but the way it was actually put to film sucks and falls flat theblackw0lf's post suggests the opposite. It's not a matter of the story being poorly told, it's a matter of the story not being understood. The demand isn't that the movies should have more artistry but less. How is the viewer supposed to understand something bad is happening unless there's a close up of a child's unhappy expression?
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Nov 28, 2019 18:22
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I demand a Revenge of the Sith Special Edition where I get to watch newly knighted Darth Vader bisect younglings.
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Nov 28, 2019 18:25
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Schwarzwald posted:theblackw0lf's post suggests the opposite.
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Schwarzwald posted:theblackw0lf's post suggests the opposite. It's not a matter of the story being poorly told, it's a matter of the story not being understood. The demand isn't that the movies should have more artistry but less. How is the viewer supposed to understand something bad is happening unless there's a close up of a child's unhappy expression? Right: the incomprehensible thing in the prequels, for many, is that everyone is really happy. This is why you have these calls to "age up" Anakin, or make him really visibly distraught and crying at everything. The terrifying reality is that Anakin doesn't realize the impact that what he's doing is having on him. He's innocent - he's having fun, he's helping people. He doesn't understand that he's killed like 3 million people, because he's a good guy and good guys don't kill people. Anakin doesn't realize, at the age of 10, just how badly being taken from his mother will gently caress him up - because of course he doesn't. He's a kid. He was always under the illusion that things would be ok - that, at some point, his work as a Jedi would lead to his mother's liberation. And this extends to all the characters: they're good people, they're happy. So how did things go so catastrophically awry? And the only sensible answer is that being a good person isn't enough to beat the dark side. In fact, it clouds your vision to the fact that the dark side is omnipresent.
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Nov 28, 2019 19:11
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TOO BAD THE PREQUELS WERE BAD MOVIES.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjdjyvnOGtg
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Nov 28, 2019 19:18
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AndyElusive posted:TOO BAD THE PREQUELS WERE BAD MOVIES. It is too bad, yeah. Would've been cool if someone made good movies out of this story.
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Nov 28, 2019 19:43
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Robotnik Nudes posted:This is what Baby Yoda is. Paranoia agent was actually about a Japanese man accusing people of avoiding facing their sins and the sins of their country through consumption of cute mascots so it's pretty apt.
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Nov 28, 2019 20:21
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AndyElusive posted:TOO BAD THE PREQUELS WERE BAD MOVIES. It's fascinating just how much star wars fans don't like star wars.
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Nov 28, 2019 20:23
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I don’t blame Christiansen or Jake Lloyd. There are great actors in the prequels and almost everyone sucks across the board. Those two just happened to be the cute face of baby Darth so fanboys threw when straight under the bus. Christiansen plays a great whiny twerp in Shattered Glass.
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Nov 28, 2019 20:26
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I mean both things can be true, there are bad performances across the board in the prequels but even by the standard set there Christensen is really bad
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Nov 28, 2019 20:36
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Bad acting?? In an outer space fantasy movie!?
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weekly font posted:I don’t blame Christiansen or Jake Lloyd. There are great actors in the prequels and almost everyone sucks across the board. Those two just happened to be the cute face of baby Darth so fanboys threw when straight under the bus. In order for us to take these kind of assertions seriously, given the context, you need to be way more specific. Even in these last couple pages, we've seen people define the very concept of acting as inherently bad. The basic thesis of that twitter cartoon is that the prequels shouldn't have acting. The people onscreen should instead provide studio-audience style reactions to the concepts evoked. In Phantom Menace, Anakin the character has mixed feelings about leaving his mother but ultimately trusts her decision to send him away. He's nervous, but believes it's for the best. Now, according to that cartoon, Jake Lloyd should not have acted here. He instead should have started yelling that Anakin is making a bad decision, like an outside observer in Anakin's life. "Don't go into the basement, Anakin!"
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AndyElusive posted:I demand a Revenge of the Sith Special Edition where I get to watch newly knighted Darth Vader bisect younglings. funny you should ask https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZ8mwFiXlP8&t=790s
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weekly font posted:I don’t blame Christiansen or Jake Lloyd. There are great actors in the prequels and almost everyone sucks across the board. Those two just happened to be the cute face of baby Darth so fanboys threw when straight under the bus. McGregor's good, McDiarmid's very good, because they both have the ability to sell crappy dialogue and Portman, Neeson, Jackson et all just don't (but give them a good script and they're fine).
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:In order for us to take these kind of assertions seriously, given the context, you need to be way more specific. Sure! Most of what you said is about Jake Lloyd and other than the weird yippee which isn’t on him he’s a child actor and does what he does. People get salty cause the Plinkett reviews showed an audition with a kid who was mildly less precocious and people latched onto it as LUCAS BAD - gently caress that. There’s a real disconnect with Christensen for me. When looking at Clones Anakin film only, he comes across as a stunted weirdo with no social skills and his disdain for the volcel no nut November Jedi bullshit. I like that! But there are a couple deliveries of lines - sorry I don’t have the movie in front of me shrug emoji - I can’t be specific but watching it from the perspective of “this is a movie and those are actors” there are some very clunky deliveries and not just from him, Portman and Jackson too, where I wonder if they were directed to deliver the lines in a stilted way that sounded like high school drama to get across the artificiality of the space opera world. If so, ok they did the thing right, but there are lines that actively pull me out of the movie cause I’m suddenly reminded this is an actor doing acting. It’s minimal. Largely I think it’s difficult to act against a tennis ball on a stick, something McGregor has been open about, which is why I think disdain for an actor in the prequels is smooth brained poo poo (other than ya know being a human). But there is an artificiality, a play acting, that is more prevalent in the prequels than the OT and I’d argue when people talk about poor acting it’s that. I’m gonna be honest I don’t remember what my original point was and I may have even ended up arguing against myself but I’m with family for thanksgiving which means I’m enough into the day that I’m trying to type while seeing two phones.
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Blood Boils posted:It's fascinating just how much star wars fans don't like star wars. I'm just taking the piss. I actually love the prequel trilogy regardless of the flaws.
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Nov 28, 2019 22:05
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Blood Boils posted:Bad acting?? In a room 95% green screen?
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Nov 28, 2019 22:07
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People have acted without movie sets for literally thousands of years
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multijoe posted:People have acted without movie sets for literally thousands of years Tell that to Ian McKellen on the set of The Hobbit.
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The difference between minimalist theatre and what Ian McKellen had to deal with on the Hobbit is he's in this small space surrounded by electronics and lights with people bustling around, a director barking orders, a tennis ball being shoved in his face
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Couple of shots in here that match up with the leaks, which doesn't bode well for the finished product. Also they really waste Oscar Isaac in these flicks.
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Mat Cauthon posted:Couple of shots in here that match up with the leaks, which doesn't bode well for the finished product. nearly everyone is wasted in these movies. because theyre bad.
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