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A few questions, ranged enemies only move if their focus is out of range OR to get immediately out of melee range right? If they start their turn with their focus in range then they just stand still even if it's just 2 spaces away? And for Pull/Push, can you only move the model in a straight line? Or can you make the model follow a path as long as each space is closer/further away than the last?
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DarkAvenger211 posted:A few questions, ranged enemies only move if their focus is out of range OR to get immediately out of melee range right? If they start their turn with their focus in range then they just stand still even if it's just 2 spaces away? quote:And for Pull/Push, can you only move the model in a straight line? Or can you make the model follow a path as long as each space is closer/further away than the last?
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Oh man, we finally beat scenario 72 on the third try. Crazy. Scenario 72/circles/music note We had music note (me), plus circles and mindthief. I think it was a really good combination for this map - we all geared up for it specifically with a big gold reward. Disarming 4 things(got this enhancement right before) then stunning 3 things was really clutch and I often ended up hitting all 4. Circles gets a bum rap but it's been extremely strong for us. I stayed in the middle room, my team built a wall of summons around me, which I could harden with shield song and the "shield 2 all allies within range 3" card. You definitely need some monster action luck here - we got an ooze split on turn 1 but managed to block the spawned one. We also managed to never get the double-curse card for the forest imps. Between all the curses and blessings our summoner had like, a 50-card action deck.
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I have a friend at PAX Unplugged who is going to check out the Frosthaven display and send any new info my way. Either way, inject the Content directly into my veins. We've only had a chance to play once since I unlocked Sun and got to play it and these days I'm really missing our Gloom time because the class is a ton of fun. Dreylad fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Dec 6, 2019 |
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Dreylad posted:I have a friend at PAX Unplugged who is going to check out the Frosthaven display and send any new info my way. Either way, inject the Content directly into my veins. Feels like I missed something with sun because I don’t remember getting bonkers numbers with them, or maybe I didn’t get there yet.
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Looks like some stuff is starting to get posted, heres some galleries with some of the new classes plus some of the level 1s: (spoilers for new expansion obviously) https://imgur.com/gallery/ZsPjJRX https://imgur.com/gallery/qe3zow0
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Doctor Spaceman posted:What do those green hexes mean? Based on the card names, I would assume that it’s a hex occupied by an ally
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So, Envelope X. We opened it a couple weeks ago, and So far no one has really bothered to make any progress with it. I think we kinda just forgot about it after we got it. I know that this envelope is controversial, some people like it and some say it is the worst part of the game. I guess what I want to know is, is the reward for solving it worth trying to do it? I know you have to find a bunch of letters, but we couldn't even tell where to start looking for them. Maybe with some direction things would go easier...
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Heroic Yoshimitsu posted:So, Envelope X. We opened it a couple weeks ago, and So far no one has really bothered to make any progress with it. I think we kinda just forgot about it after we got it. I know that this envelope is controversial, some people like it and some say it is the worst part of the game. I guess what I want to know is, is the reward for solving it worth trying to do it? I know you have to find a bunch of letters, but we couldn't even tell where to start looking for them. Maybe with some direction things would go easier... There was a post earlier that had really good gradually ascending spoiler style that I am going to try and mimic, since it lets you spoil to your level of comfort: First semi-spoiler, the thread's general opinion: it's largely not worth trying to solve "naturally" because it's not well put together and you will waste your time and get progressively more pissed which might affect your appreciation of the eventual reward Concerning the difficulty: if you're waiting for an "a ha!" moment you aren't going to really get a better one than envelope X so if you've just been waiting for more info to pour forth, that's not going to happen so you should be more proactive Concerning the other clues: There's basically 2 types that I recall, specific spoilers below: 1) You may have gotten other puzzles with a code to break; these are (some of) the other letters and specific to envelope X -- I don't think it's specifically spelled out tho. Also assuming you have gotten some, the fact that I said there's 2 types of clues spoils that all the letters aren't from these cipher puzzles. OH! and it's also worth noting that there's a typo in one of the clues that prevents you from solving it so uhh just be aware of that one, its the one that gives you 3 numbers in a row, one of the numbers is wrong so you will have to search for correct number 2) There's stuff hidden in the artwork which, again, there's no clue pointing to this specifically you just need to happen upon one Concerning how cool the reward is: This will largely depend on you/your group. My group was impressed but after reading this thread I explained that the puzzle was mostly BS and nudged them along so they weren't totally burned out and frustrated. FWIW I don't think the act of solving the puzzle will increase your appreciation for the class, its more about if you/your group like solving puzzles Concerning what the reward ACTUALLY is: it's a print and play class
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The typo is fixed in later versions, for what it's worth. Also that initiative stuff in Frosthaven is really not presented intuitively.
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Played one of the new frosthaven chars this morning. May have been the first non-playtester to touch it honestly Got through 5 rounds as the pink one, saw a ton of new mechanics and then gushed about it for the rest of the day
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Kalli posted:Played one of the new frosthaven chars this morning. May have been the first non-playtester to touch it honestly That looks like the most busted class of all of them.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:The typo is fixed in later versions, for what it's worth. Yeah LMAO it's one of those " no real ux person would have let this get past the very first revision"
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Guy A. Person posted:Looks like some stuff is starting to get posted, heres some galleries with some of the new classes plus some of the level 1s: Are these the starter classes or are some of them unlocks?
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Holy poo poo I want to play that Necromancer like right now. The skeleton summoning cards are non loss  Oh, and the Drifter looks like tons of fun. Selecta84 fucked around with this message at 09:32 on Dec 7, 2019 |
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Some Numbers posted:Are these the starter classes or are some of them unlocks? Some are pretty complex so this is a surprising development. Color me shocked. Kalli posted:Played one of the new frosthaven chars this morning. May have been the first non-playtester to touch it honestly dwarf74 fucked around with this message at 14:23 on Dec 7, 2019 |
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Selecta84 posted:Holy poo poo I want to play that Necromancer like right now. The Drifter looks stupid good. That rewind mechanic is really cool.
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Control Volume posted:Scenario 5: Funny to see a bunch of really scary sounding demons only for the most dangerous enemies to be the elite skeletons. The poor fire demons got a single attack off before I murdered them with their own traps and cragheart true damage. The only retaliate a frost demon got off was against another frost demon, and the only damage they did was to a summon because our mindthief kited them so well. An elite skeleton otoh got the "all attacks hit one target" card and proceeded to destroy our poor tinkerer with lucky rolls, doing a total of 11! damage across three attacks Also, you do know that you can lose (not discard, lose) a card from your hand or two cards from your discards to prevent damage from an attack, right? I can’t tell if “destroy” means “exhausted” or “forced to lose several cards” in your account.
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:Oh man, we finally beat scenario 72 on the third try. Crazy. You cannot block spawns, only summons: Pg 34, spawning. “When a monster is spawned, it is set up on the map at its spawning location or the nearest empty hex to that location.” Note that the word “adjacent” is not used here.
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Elephant Ambush posted:The Drifter looks stupid good. That rewind mechanic is really cool.  The one with the Shadows seems like it needs more ability to make them, but I'm guessing that'll be handled by higher level cards.
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Elephant Ambush posted:That looks like the most busted class of all of them. Felt powerful but with clear restrictions on ending up in the form you don't want or being dangerously low on cards for damage avoidance most of the time. Seemed like some higher level cards were at lvl 1 for the demo Currently waiting in line for the 10 am keynote
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dwarf74 posted:I guess despite the complexity these all seem to be base classes. Yeah, my assumption is that they leaned into it being an expansion and decided to go hog wild, especially with the fact that they are already releasing a simpler stand alone aimed entirely at newer players. They are expecting people who have played at least one of those to pick this up. dwarf74 posted:The one with the Shadows seems like it needs more ability to make them, but I'm guessing that'll be handled by higher level cards. I think the idea is that you're supposed to get the top half of Call to the Abyss out to generate most of them (with the option to instead generate a few with the bottom first). It's basically a 10 card class that has that buffer card for your loss.
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Link to the stream: https://www.twitch.tv/team/pax (may need to select PAX2). Should be starting in a few minutes.
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Guy A. Person posted:I think the idea is that you're supposed to get the top half of Call to the Abyss out to generate most of them (with the option to instead generate a few with the bottom first). It's basically a 10 card class that has that buffer card for your loss.
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Guy A. Person posted:Yeah, my assumption is that they leaned into it being an expansion and decided to go hog wild, especially with the fact that they are already releasing a simpler stand alone aimed entirely at newer players. They are expecting people who have played at least one of those to pick this up. Yeah I think this being an expansion, you're expected to have played Gloomhaven already so they're making the starter classes more advanced like the unlockable classes in GH.
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Last I heard the Necromancer was going to be one of the starting classes for the smaller box intro campaign/expansion. Don't know if that changed or not.
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Dreylad posted:Last I heard the Necromancer was going to be one of the starting classes for the smaller box intro campaign/expansion. Don't know if that changed or not.
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dwarf74 posted:It got moved to this box because, frankly, summon-centric classes are not even remotely beginner-friendly That makes perfect sense!
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Rush transcript from the PAX stream below (I haven't edited this aside from breaking it into sections, in case you don't want to be spoiled). Introduction can play gh before or start with this, it's standalone characters are more complicated, might be challenging if it's your first time characters can be brought over both ways new set of items, mechanic for bringing items from gh to fh starting character has $ for bringing gh items over, can't freely buy gh items but there's an importer that lets you buy limited supply resources are more valuable than $ so there's a crafting system to build items 6 starting characters banner spear - tank of the group. mostly melee, some ranged, has formation attacks (aoe attacks where you need allies to be) can make her own non-lost allies necromancer - now an aesther, not human. summons that aren't lost, lose hp when summoning. (many characters have their own "resource") deathwalker - creates shadows on the board, kind of shamanistic class that ushers things to death. kills monsters and creates shadows that she can use for abilities drifter - survivalist, lives off the land so all about keeping himself alive. lot of persistant abilities with charges, has abilities to recharge them harrower - 2 forms, ranged caster form and melee tanky, 7 cards in each deck, token that represents the form. some actions in each deck force you to switch forms. probably the most complicated (designed by marcel) blinkblade - manipulates time, speeds up or slows down. going fast is better but has to use a counter to do it, and goes slow to recharge. many abilities have benefits or detriments depending on speed New playable races takes place in the world of gloomhaven but different location. 3 new races, start out as threats in the game. as you go through the game and work to befriend/subdue them they will be added as classes olgox, distant primitive inox cousins. like to punch! live in mountains, very territorial, when the fh outpost springs up they attack. have a religion where they're in 2 sects, icespeakers and snowspeakers. looking at ice/snow will relay divine messages from their god. you get in the middle and choose a side new lurkers, live in the northern sea, invade from the sea (fh is on the coast) - example is wavethrower, has ranged attacks and summons lightning eels. will be a playable race (doesn't talk, communicates psychically) robotic race, looks like a walking 4-sided die (very quiet on details here) Crafting/town building go up to fh at start of summer, mercenaries to keep town safe initial story is protect the town from threats, develops from there very small outpost, mostly destroyed from olgox attack you get to build up the city how you want resources can be used to build items and build buildings, will unlock town mechanics craftsman area, has more recipies for items, lets you combine items to make new ones alchemist, when you find herbs you can create potions by trial and error (combine 2 ingredients, can be good and bad ones) walls, barracks - town has a defense rating calendar system - enter in summer but going to scenarios takes time, different event decks for summer and winter (winter is all bad things) olgox and other things attack the city in winter, defense rating affects outcomes plenty of items can be found in chests Loot system changes loot system has been changed. will still collect tokens that monsters drop but not money. (money isn't as valuable as resources here) tokens are exchanged for a card from a loot deck build loot deck at the start of a scenario (lumber in the forest, etc.) draw a card for tokens, could be money/resources/items New monsters/status effects new map, will be adding stickers some stickers are bigger to represent newly explored parts of the world stickers to add to the city, you get to choose how it looks more new monsters, some repeat monsters new frozen undead (frozen olgox corpse), has frost breath, retaliate new status, brittle - super cold. next time you suffer damage it's doubled some characters can do that too living doom, most powerful undead can summon living spirits based on its hp new status, bane - deals w/ instant kill mechanic. when you are baned, at end of next turn, if not removed by healing you suffer 10 hp. basically the replacement for instant kills, delayed and damage cap. polar bears, like cave bears but even more dangerous fish men (fish king invades the docks was a popular card from forge war, brought over to this) Puzzles kind of spoilers at some point you will gain access to a book, like town records extra side story to get more game lore, might be things to unlock how you go through is by solving puzzles like an exit game that you play over the course of the campaign gives clues that lead you to parts of the game artwork, etc unlock certain building to solve, eg gives you a number to turn to (cyoa?) based on feedback from envelope x puzzle, that didn't have feedback that you were doing it right/wrong so this is based on feedback from that combat mechanics are all the same town mechanics are introduced over time forgotten circles, tried new thing of breaking up scenarios into sections like the surprise aspect but didn't like how little info was given up front more info will be up front, give you all the monsters/overlays you'll need so there's no surprise setup kickstarter in march hope to deliver within a year of ks, by early 2021 Q&A q-is fh too cold for oozes? a-wouldn't assume that! love oozes! q-there is a thing you can do in main story where it seems you're bad but rewarded... a-there's always moral ambiguity, sometimes you get away with bad things. q-one issue is reputation, choices feels like really evil or really good. never feel tempted by evil option. sometimes surprised by outcomes a-working on events to make them more dynamic, better options q-relative to original gh, where is fh on the map? a-world is extended. copperneck mountains (northern border of gh) is south of fh. go through dead pass to reach fh q-will we get another pie eating video? a-not out of the question q-coming from gh, time put into massive box, what are you taking from that for fh? lessons learned, how to improve, etc a-more features, town building, etc q-why are bears so strong, how have they not taken over gh? a-can't climb walls q-is trading of items a thing? a-still can't trade items, but when you create items you decide who gets it q-necromancer is in this instead of jotl, what was that process a-designed jotl, playtested, summoning seemed too complicated for what that product was. more for casual gamers. have to understand monster mechanics and summons can be a negative experience if not done well, if they die right away q-bane mechanic replacing instant kill, retroactive to gh classes? a-maybe, talking about it q-loot tokens represent resources, will there be more on the ground (wood on the ground makes more sense than money) a-maybe a little more q-will elements be more common? frost? a-want to keep it balanced, lots of frost monsters so want them to use ice, but also want to keep it balanced so all elements are equally represented q-process of transitioning from physics to designing board games a-got tired of physics, was designing games as a hobby, decided to try kickstarter w/ forge war and it went well. fw was put on kickstarter in last year of grad school, so when he graduated he decided to try game design q-any tweaks to combat rules, such as retaliate a-other than new status effects it's the same q-metal loot coins, added 3 loot coin. will there be a 3 damage token? a-yes! q-seems harder, more cards and health? a-no! q-any changes to personal quests, some were hard or didn't feel connected to characters a-system will be changed, not just a big deck to draw from. start with much smaller deck of things to accomplish, as things are unlocked more cards are added that are now reasonable to do. still not tied to specific character classes, lets you combine the class story and the quest story to make your own story q-changes to modifier decks? a-same system, perks let you swap cards in and out some changes to events. characters have traits which can effect event outcome q-battle goals changes? a-yes, new balanced goals q-summons, didn't feel like they scaled well at higher difficulties a-new summons can be resummoned when they die, taking feedback q-will enhancement system stay the same now that there's less money a-yes, stays the same, unlocked over the story (you'll still have some money) q-when is fh campaign set related to gh? a-set afterwards, but doesn't really matter. new cypher set will be in the game to continue that story q-new to the game, looking to get into it. seems to be hard to learn all at once. is this as hard to get into as gh? a-it's about the same scale as fh. there may be a tutorial but that's the reason for jotl q-original gh was semi-cooperative: can't trade items, etc. with the town building up will this be more collaborative? a-the town will be collaborative (can pool resources to build the building) but characters still do their own things q-any plan going forward for a reset mechanic to build the town again after finishing? a-talking about it, can't give specifics but may do a recharge pack later on q-any thoughts to make it more asymmetrical/antagonistic between characters, just to shake things up a-toyed with pvp mode during original game, didn't really work. initiative was too important. haven't revisited since then. q-update on merch store, mindthief plush? a-getting that up asap, been focused on pax but that's the next focus. no plushies  will have pins/coins/shirts/pint glassesq-calendar has summer/winter, is this just one year? how far does time pass per scenario? a-multiple years, cycles between good/bad things happening. currently every time you do a scenario (or set of linked scenarios) advances one time unit, 15 units per season, but still playtesting Phelddagrif fucked around with this message at 17:12 on Dec 7, 2019 |
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I am so hype for this and it sucks that the Kickstarter begins in March and release probably won't be until early 2021. My group is definitely going to bootleg the level 1 cards and try them out.
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Sounds like it'll be much less important which characters loot, and it's a relief to hear that they're revamping personal quests; both of those feel very welcome. That complexity creep is scary, though. FH status effects: Bane feels pretty dodgy. I get that Execute was sometimes overpowered, but I really hope they don't follow through on going back and turning all the old characters' executes into "maybe do 10 damage after the enemy's next turn". Brittle seems weird, especially since it sounds like it's going to be primarily caused by monsters; applied a player it'll often do nothing since you still only lose one card to negate all the damage.
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NRVNQSR posted:Sounds like it'll be much less important which characters loot, and it's a relief to hear that they're revamping personal quests; both of those feel very welcome. That complexity creep is scary, though. FH status effect: I just got that part in the stream, maybe he talks about retroactively applying later? but for now it sounds like its mostly a way for monsters to have a similar mechanic as a way to fight back and maybe use it in places they would have previously given a new class an execute. It seems like a pretty big change to the existing executes, and you'd obviously need to reprint all those cards to avoid massive confusion (and probably rebalance like adding another attack to make them as worthwhile). I do think the "maybe" is not necessary, since monster heals or typically so rare and unwieldy that it would be super rare for a monster to not suffer that damage (plus I assume bane would be a "suffer" and thus not blocked by shields or subject to misses, which would still be huge) EDIT: oh he does in the Q&A portion say "maybe". Again I would be surprised if they just flat out replaced any current execute with just a bane without doing any other kind of balancing, since there's obviously some higher level losses that can execute elites, so going "okay this is also just a bane loss" would be unbalanced Guy A. Person fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Dec 7, 2019 |
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Come to the LP thread https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=3877469&perpage=40&pagenumber=97#post500593341 and help us pick the replacement for our retired Cragheart! SPOILER NOTE: the link contains spoilers for Scenario 81 and Two-Minis and spoiled text for the last unlocked class Angry Face.
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Narsham posted:Also, you do know that you can lose (not discard, lose) a card from your hand or two cards from your discards to prevent damage from an attack, right? I can’t tell if “destroy” means “exhausted” or “forced to lose several cards” in your account. Yeah, tinkerer was forced to lose two hand cards in that attack due to low health. The multi attack on one target is brutal
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Thanks for the PAX reports! Looks awesome, I can't wait.
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New expansion characters all look really fun. A little more complicated, but very interesting. I'm also trying to determine value of bless. Obviously situational, like everything. I just haven't been able to decide if I should judge it as doubling a characters Crit chance, or if it's much more marginal since it's only one card in a potentially large combat deck.
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Lemony posted:New expansion characters all look really fun. A little more complicated, but very interesting.
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