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I was always a little confused by fuel in Mobile Suits. Like... They run on reactors right? That doesn't scream to mind for liquid fuel, and yet there's plenty of examples of mobile suits gushing the stuff (not to mention South Burning's stupid death)
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Onmi posted:I was always a little confused by fuel in Mobile Suits. Like... They run on reactors right? That doesn't scream to mind for liquid fuel, and yet there's plenty of examples of mobile suits gushing the stuff (not to mention South Burning's stupid death) Even if you're using a nuclear thermal rocket, you need an exhaust mass to push your craft. An NTR gets its thrust from pushing a gas (ideally hydrogen) through a reactor to heat it up and get it really energetic so it has more energy when it leaves the nozzle. If you look at suits like the Gerbera Tetra, or the RX-78-5 [bst], you'll see additional propellant tanks to extend the amount of time they can fight before coming back to refuel. (Or in the Gerbera's case probably to have enough fuel to gas those giant engines.) Even if the suits aren't using chemical propellant, they still need propellant. fake edit: This post brought to you by way too many hours in Kerbal Space Program.
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Dec 12, 2019 17:24
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Caros posted:The out of series data describes them as semi-perpetual energy machines. Given what we know from the series, there has been some delving into the theoretical sci-fi behind them, and the best guess is that they work off of catalyzing proton decay by way of magnetic monopoles. When they decay they create gamma photons which are fairly high energy and can be captured by high efficiency solar panels inside the reactor. Hence why it would be called a solar furnace. The actual fuel for the reactor is molecular hydrogen, which is basically everywhere, which is why it can run more or less infinitely. The short version is they generate a broad spectrum of particles, and can contain and harness the nastier parts of the output within the reactor to sustain its own ongoing power generation using a particle 'blanket' as a filter. All that escapes is harmless GN particles. The mass-production drives lack the blanket, so they fundamentally burn dirty for a limited active lifetime and barf out fairly nasty radiation along with GN particles.
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Dec 12, 2019 17:31
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Neddy Seagoon posted:The short version is they generate a broad spectrum of particles, and can contain and harness the nastier parts of the output within the reactor to sustain its own ongoing power generation using a particle 'blanket' as a filter. All that escapes is harmless GN particles. The mass-production drives lack the blanket, so they fundamentally burn dirty for a limited active lifetime and barf out fairly nasty radiation along with GN particles. Is it ever explained why the Tau drives lack the filter, or is that just chalked up to the non-CB factions not understanding the black box technology?
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Dec 12, 2019 18:12
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Kanos posted:I'm not entirely sure of the feasibility of Trowa trawling around a battlefield in a truck trying to fish unexploded ordinance out of the mangled and scattered ruins of an army of mobile suits he just exploded with missiles and vulcans. Sine the Gundams mainly attacked bases I figure he would get the spare ammo containers from the base weapons and ammunition storage.
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Onmi posted:I was always a little confused by fuel in Mobile Suits. Like... They run on reactors right? That doesn't scream to mind for liquid fuel, and yet there's plenty of examples of mobile suits gushing the stuff (not to mention South Burning's stupid death) I’ve always thought of that as hydraulic fluid for the limbs or maybe, as pointed out, fuel for the thrusters instead of the reactor. Could be coolant or a neutron moderator for the reactor, I guess, but I think part of the scifi is that they only need magnetic fields to control themselves. Warmachine posted:Is it ever explained why the Tau drives lack the filter, or is that just chalked up to the non-CB factions not understanding the black box technology? I haven’t watched the series since it came out, but I recall there was some quirk of physics near Jupiter that meant proper drives could only be built in orbit of the gas giant. HitTheTargets fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Dec 12, 2019 |
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Dec 12, 2019 19:46
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Its due to THE POWER.
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Dec 12, 2019 19:47
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Warmachine posted:Is it ever explained why the Tau drives lack the filter, or is that just chalked up to the non-CB factions not understanding the black box technology? The TD Blanket that is the difference between a regular and a [t] Drive can apparently only be manufactured at Jupiter. Since Tau drives are imitations based on the original designs for true GN Drives presumably the ESF/A-LAWs/Innovators know this, know what it takes to make a TD Blanket, and could have have gone to Jupiter to make a real GN Drive but chose not out of lack of desire, resources, genuine need, time, or because it's narratively convenient that only the good guys have the distinctive green particles. It's not totally unjustified either since you can crank out Tau drives pretty readily on Earth and Tau drives still make very kill-y Mobile Suits that have many of the fun features you could enjoy on a real GN Drive. Couple this with the improvements they make to Tau drives over the series (No longer venting death radiation everywhere, Trans-Am, eventually even a Twin Drive system) and it makes plenty of sense that most people are using Taus for the entire back half of the series, including eventually Celestial Being themselves.
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Dec 12, 2019 20:11
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Wasn't it a plot point that part of how to build GN drives was intentionally only known by the engineers, and not stored in the computer, in case their computer got hacked?
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Dec 12, 2019 20:57
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Possibly. Either that or locked up in Veda. I honestly have no idea where the data for trans-am was kept given that it seems to have been a secret to Ribbons.
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Dec 12, 2019 22:01
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The first season implied that the haro the Trinitys had was on the Jupiter mission and not deleted when it was found by the Corner group at a later time. The trans am and twin drive information was on a black box built into the original five gn drives
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Dec 12, 2019 22:32
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The Tau Twin Drive was "only" a double-output system iirc. It was powerful, but didn't achiece the true output-squared synchronicity the GN Drives did. Also Celestial Being only used them because like two of their original 5 drives had been destroyed at that point.
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Dec 13, 2019 01:07
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Warmachine posted:Even if you're using a nuclear thermal rocket, you need an exhaust mass to push your craft. An NTR gets its thrust from pushing a gas (ideally hydrogen) through a reactor to heat it up and get it really energetic so it has more energy when it leaves the nozzle. Yeah, that's also how things work in IBO. Ahab Reactors keep working for centuries, to the point where digging up an old MS can provide a whole military base with power. For basic movement on ships and Mobile Suits, that's plenty. But for anything demanding higher speed, you need exhaust mass. Which is why Tekkadan spends so much time in fights worrying about refueling.
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HitTheTargets posted:I’ve always thought of that as hydraulic fluid for the limbs or maybe, as pointed out, fuel for the thrusters instead of the reactor. If you subscribe to the magnetic monopole (which are themselves a Topological Defect) idea for GN Drives, monopoles are likely found in high gravity places like stars. Hard to get anything out of the sun, but a giant planet with high gravity is probably easier to recover monopoles from.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:The Tau Twin Drive was "only" a double-output system iirc. It was powerful, but didn't achiece the true output-squared synchronicity the GN Drives did. I believe official material states that a Tau Twin Drive does have more than double output, but less than squared output like a GN Twin Drive had. Also Braves apparently didn't have a Twin Drive and "just" had two Tau Drives whereas the Reborns Gundam had a proper Twin Drive.
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Omnicrom posted:I believe official material states that a Tau Twin Drive does have more than double output, but less than squared output like a GN Twin Drive had. Also Braves apparently didn't have a Twin Drive and "just" had two Tau Drives whereas the Reborns Gundam had a proper Twin Drive. If I recall properly that's why that mobile armor from the end of Season 1 while really powerful didn't just curbstomp the Exia in spite of having like 6 Tau Drives, they weren't in sync or anything
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Omnicrom posted:I believe official material states that a Tau Twin Drive does have more than double output, but less than squared output like a GN Twin Drive had. Also Braves apparently didn't have a Twin Drive and "just" had two Tau Drives whereas the Reborns Gundam had a proper Twin Drive. Oh, that's right  . I forgot about the regular MS's packing dual-drive setups.drrockso20 posted:If I recall properly that's why that mobile armor from the end of Season 1 while really powerful didn't just curbstomp the Exia in spite of having like 6 Tau Drives, they weren't in sync or anything Yeah, that was just multiple drives barfing out particles in mass quantity, while a proper Twin-Drive generates them in stupidly-high densities. It's like comparing a bunch of taps pushing out X litres per minute and a single firehose doing the same.
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Dec 13, 2019 10:36
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Man what is even going on in the latest ReRise?
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Raxivace posted:Man what is even going on in the latest ReRise? Yeah it's almost like we missed an episode. The revelation about May from the previous episode wasn't even mentioned. And the new revelations didn't feel very meaningful at all. They weren't on Earth, they were on... Eldora! OK. So what? Clearly they weren't on the real Earth or the Earth from any of the previous Gundam shows. So why does the name not being Earth matter?
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Dec 13, 2019 22:04
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It’s just weird that we seem to be in the endgame already and I feel like I have very little grasp on who the antagonists even are. Maybe we do actually have a second cour coming but this is very odd.
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Raxivace posted:It’s just weird that we seem to be in the endgame already and I feel like I have very little grasp on who the antagonists even are. Is this not a 26 episode show? I'm assuming the bad guys are going to blow up that town, the main resistance guy is going to die and the protagonists are all going to finally realize that the animal people are thinking feeling beings. I'd thought we'd then get a bunch of episodes dealing with that and we'd see thing like the Creator they keep mentioning. May's had some idea something's up since the beginning, but the other's will finally realize that.
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Dec 13, 2019 23:06
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Episode 11 was called “Last Mission” so I thought we were closing up here soon, but I can’t find anything online atm that definitively says how long its going.
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Dec 13, 2019 23:53
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I think that's because that's what they thought it was, and I guess there is a possibility that their conflicts will start to be something they decide to do, once they learn the truth of how things work, and not missions that they are receiving.
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Yeah, they mean it's a turning point, not the literal end of the show. This all feels like a very first-half conflict.
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Darth Walrus posted:Yeah, they mean it's a turning point, not the literal end of the show. This all feels like a very first-half conflict. Yep. This is the end of "disk 1" in old JRPG fashion.
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I'm excited to see what the plot of the show is.
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Gripweed posted:I'm excited to see what the plot of the show is. Veda has gone off the rails and built the Death Star. Not-Alderaan gets blown up and our heroes and the Resistance survivors have to travel the galaxy/to other worlds and build a Resistance to prevent it from happening elsewhere. Along the way, Hiroto learns to use The Force from Sarah, and learns that the Seltzam pilot is his real father. Kazami, Par, and May go off on a side quest to a player-owned city run by one of Kazami's old teammates. The teammate betrays Kazami to the Seltzam pilot, and as a plot to lure out Hiroto, puts May in suspended animation to analyze before deleting. Hiroto, Par, Kazami, and Kazami's teammate end up teaming up to rescue May, and our heroes travel to the Resistance rally point to meet with Furries from every corner of GBN. Together with an army of Haros they fight the One-Eyes, and Hiroto redeems the Seltzam pilot, who destroys Veda and the Death Star. Goddamn this gimmick post was horrible to write.
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If it’s any consolation it sucked pretty bad to read too.
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Dec 14, 2019 01:14
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Looks like an SCP entry in here now.
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Midjack posted:If it’s any consolation it sucked pretty bad to read too. Outstanding! My effort was not in vain!
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Dec 14, 2019 01:41
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I liked the episode because of the implication that Kazami's impatience to have the game go on will probably cause a digital genocide
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I started watching IBO thanks to Cross Rays and it was really rad at first, I like the characters and the action is cool. It's nice to see a gundam series that's anti-war but not in the same old sort of "we shouldn't fight and instead just communicate and understand one another!" way like usual. But, uh, what's with the hard turn into polygamy power hour?
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Nuebot posted:I started watching IBO thanks to Cross Rays and it was really rad at first, I like the characters and the action is cool. It's nice to see a gundam series that's anti-war but not in the same old sort of "we shouldn't fight and instead just communicate and understand one another!" way like usual. They try to walk it back a little in the second season. It's explained that Naze calls all of his crew his wives because that gives them a level of protection from other mob guys who might try to mess with them otherwise. And the vast majority of them are just his employees, he only has romantic or sexual relationships with the women who are into it. How much better that makes it is questionable. Bottom line, the show always presents the Turbines as a positive example of an unusual family making it in a tough universe. They aren't always going to be front and center, but they never really go away. YMMV on how that effects your enjoyment of the show.
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Honestly, the part that threw me for a loop wasn't the weirdo with his ship of "wives" but how quickly the main character's love interest jumped on board the threesome train pretty much the instant she realized the other lady was into him too.
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Nuebot posted:Honestly, the part that threw me for a loop wasn't the weirdo with his ship of "wives" but how quickly the main character's love interest jumped on board the threesome train pretty much the instant she realized the other lady was into him too. Yeah that doesn't change. Naze Turbine and the Turbines are unfortunately home to most of the show's biggest issues for a wide variety of reason. That isn't to say all the characters are bad but generally if you want to point to IBO's biggest flaws they almost all involve the Turbines in some way. One thing I forgot before I played Cross Rays is also that Naze Turbine drops all sorts of casual homophobia which is loving rich from a dude they're trying to make argue for non-standard relationships. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Dec 16, 2019 |
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Nuebot posted:Honestly, the part that threw me for a loop wasn't the weirdo with his ship of "wives" but how quickly the main character's love interest jumped on board the threesome train pretty much the instant she realized the other lady was into him too. A lot could be said about the problems with the Turbines but I unabashedly love that they went with this instead of tedious love triangle bullshit
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Blockhouse posted:A lot could be said about the problems with the Turbines but I unabashedly love that they went with this instead of tedious love triangle bullshit This.
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Nuebot posted:Honestly, the part that threw me for a loop wasn't the weirdo with his ship of "wives" but how quickly the main character's love interest jumped on board the threesome train pretty much the instant she realized the other lady was into him too. Well yeah, the only example of a "positive" adult relationship she's seen is the Turbines
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Kudelia being into Mika always felt extremely forced in the story. She knows enough of the world to know that he is super messed up and has some issues. Atra made sense due to the shared martian orphan stuff, but the Kudelia thing just seemed to happen because the writers wanted it to.
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Gripweed posted:Well yeah, the only example of a "positive" adult relationship she's seen is the Turbines Not quite true. Although we don't see it on screen, her boss at the shop was married and seemed happy with it. (Which, less positively, lead to Atra being sure that Mika having a kid would fix his suicidal tendencies.)
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